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Recently I also bought a used machismo and came to know the seriousness of the problem. When I took bike back from the service and checked the gear box, it was almost empty. Then I started to search for gear box lubricant.

There are so many links (while searching on google) and so many threads on every automotive forum about bullets but I didn’t found a single satisfactory reply for gear box lubricant. Even any image or specification of ‘Veedol 00 grade grease’ is not available.

There are some replies for 80w 90 & 80w 140 gear oil but no technical answer. RE authorized workshop are also big jokers in this matter.

After searching a lot I found that that there is a grease of NLGI 00 grade from MAK lubricants but it is available in 182 Kg pack.

The machismo (5 speed models) Owner’s Manual recommends for EP 90 gear oil, which is not difficult to find but I am worried about traditional 4 speed gear box.

What the thousands of thumpers doing? How they are filling their gear box? Or lie on mechanic’s mercy i.e. what he had filled is ok!

Foolish mechanic (at RE service Center) advised me that go to Transport Nagar. There you (I) will found men with grease gun and get gear box filled with grease. He is even not aware about grade/ classification of grease for truck & bullet gear box is different.

Was in your shoes sometime back. the RE ASC mechs have no idea.

I have tried 80W140 gear oil but the oil is so light that it just vanished in 1500 kms.

Since then putting in Castrol 90 EP oil.

Mine is 2009 STD 350CI with 4-speed gear box with right foot shift.

Ride bullet hard for some 10-15 minutes; cover the exhaust with rags so as not to burn your hand. Remove the bottom bolt and top bolt and wait for some half an hour for all the oil to go out. screw in the bottom bolt and pour oil through top bolt. Open the side bolt. Fill up till oil oozes from side bolt. Takes ~ 500 ml oil in the box.

Have to check every 1000 kms and top up.

Till date no leaks (at least nothing in the ground and via kick-starter end). Some 3000 kms since changed to this method and top-upped once since.

ride safe

ramamoorthy

No idea mate.. I am blinded by one incident of 140 oil vanished out of gearbox. Now with 90EP Oil, need to check levels every 1000 kms or so.

What is the oil you use in clutch box. Once local mech poured Total Quartz 20W50 oil ( I brought 3 litre can; after using 2.25 litres in engine, balance qt) into clutch and pressure plates got glazed in 1500 kms. The oil is very good for engine as it is having some friction busters, but very bad for clutch. Replaced clutch plates and now using Hero Honda 10w30 oil. However, forced to check levels every 500 kms as this oil is very light and escapes faster.

I am thinking about using ATF. But oft quoted TYPE F is not available in stores. Checked internet and found that ATF type F is nothing but oil meeting Ford specification ESW-M2C33-F. However we have BP producing 'MAK TRANSFLUID F' having the same ESW-M2C33-F specifications
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The worst that can happen is burning out of clutch plates. Will give it a try next change due in another 2k kms.

Any better ideas

regards

ramamoorthy

A LUBRICANT SHOULD BE THICK ENOUGH TO STAY WITH INTERACTING SURFACE & A LUBRICANT SHOULD BE THIN ENOUGH TO FLOW IN INTERACTING SURFACE so I always follow the specifications mentioned in Owner’s Manual regarding grade and change interval for lubricants.

Mostly mechanics (in both car & bikes) do not take much pain in 20w 40/ 20w 50 & JASO MA/ without JASO MA.

You have made a correct decision for 10w 30 JASO MA2 oil for clutch. I also use the same oil in clutch and front forks. In a 900ml pack near about 420 ml goes in clutch and rest goes in front forks @200ml per leg and balance remain for top up in clutch.

I use 20w 50 non JASO MA certified (car oil) in my Std 350.

10w 30 JASO MA2 in clutch & Front fork (in Std 350 & Machismo A350)

In managed to get Owner’s Manual of Machismo 350 & 500 (5 speed models) from RE A.S.S., it refers EP 90 gear oil for gear box. If would not get Gulf Crown EP 00 grade grease then will go for EP 90 gear oil.

If EP 90 doing good in your gear box do not go for ATF (as ATFs are designed for cars, which are having different design and material).

Using EP 90 gear oil in STD CI 350

Hi all,

I also faced a simlar problem in my RE STD 350 CI 2009. To my horror I found there was only a tar like sludge when the mechanic checked for the gearbox oil level. I got hold of EP 90 Veedol oil immediately. Things were fine for sometime and then I noticed an ever increasing amount of oil leaking out from around the kickstart area. I finally got this fixed by having a felt/woolen type material washer that is called "namda" by mechanics here in Mumbai. The cost involved was INR 60 for the washer + labour charges.

I check for the oil level once in a while and things have been fine since then. I request all the Bulleteers to check the gear box oil level atleast once in every month and topup before things go really wrong.

It is strange that only tar type sludge was remain in gear box. The gear box oil/ grease (lubricant) replacement is recommended @ 12k kms. I have an std 350 of 2006 model (till now only 5k because of less running) and once in 2-3 months I check the level of grease in gear box, it is up to the correct mark and condition of grease is also good.
RE had mentioned as 00 grade grease as gear box lubricant till end of production. Surprisingly 00 grade grease is only available in larger drums and even on RE A.S.S. mechanics are using a mixture of multipurpose grease & 20w 50 engine oil, which is totally wrong.

Ah !! Now I know why my gear oil on my 1980 STD was empty after 1000kms of bike service

Any updates on where to source 00 grade grease from and which oil/ATF to use in clutch?

I just got my classic 3 days back and I really have no idea how and when to check these things.. someone please put some light...


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Bro The Classic is a UCE Engine. So it doesn't have a separate Gear box unit like the old school bulls. So you don't need to worry about that mate.

Thanks dude