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  • Engine vibrations... the bad sort.

    Hello,

    I recently bought a Yamaha FZ16 and i've been riding 40km everyday to break it's engine in. The engine itself was extremely smooth. I changed the oil after 100km and continued the break-in process conscientiously. Only today, one week after the purchase and 404km on the odo, I tried to shift up without using the clutch. I revved smoothly from idling up, and slowly applied pressure on the shifter while revving. Now in theory, at a particular rpm, the shifter must softly give way and the next gear must smoothly click in. Only it wasn't so perfect in reality. A slightly louder than normal sound emanated from the gearbox (very slightly louder than normal) and the gear kicked in.

    Ever since that, the engine seems to vibrate a bit when higher rpms are reached (just above 3000rpm in fact) as described:

    1.) There is a particular rattlesnake sound about the engine which i'm pretty sure wasn't there before.

    2.) There is a more disconcerting er... shall we say, "suffocated metallic" sound above 4000rpm; kind of like what it would have sounded if it had a k&n air filter with extra air intake adjustment installed, only much lower in volume. This sound is quite obnoxious, like as if (my imagination takes over) a piece of metal had disengaged from inside the gearbox, slipped in through the oil and gotten into the crank case.

    What could possibly be the cause of these vibrations? Is it possible that a dog wheel got ground and that small pieces from the gearbox have entered the cylinder? I also seem to sense a lack of smoothness is delivery of power when i throttle from fully closed throttle (idle rpm) to the very next increment.

    I would be extremely grateful for your opinions. Until some probable conclusion is reached, i'm keeping the bike in the shed.
    - The understood pseudo-purpose of existence is not to live the Good Life, but to necessarily live.

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    Query Approved.
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    • #3
      Very elaborately explained, but I cannot agree that this much sound can be caused due to only one clutchless gearshift.The 'dog gone' thing etc.are just your fear. Nothing should be wrong with the bike.
      This sounds like a loose camchain, get it tightened-matter of 2 mins.&ride on!
      Quench my thirst with gasoline!

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      • #4
        Originally posted by TheDeadRider View Post
        Hello,

        I recently bought a Yamaha FZ16 and i've been riding 40km everyday to break it's engine in. The engine itself was extremely smooth. I changed the oil after 100km and continued the break-in process conscientiously. Only today, one week after the purchase and 404km on the odo, I tried to shift up without using the clutch. I revved smoothly from idling up, and slowly applied pressure on the shifter while revving. Now in theory, at a particular rpm, the shifter must softly give way and the next gear must smoothly click in. Only it wasn't so perfect in reality. A slightly louder than normal sound emanated from the gearbox (very slightly louder than normal) and the gear kicked in.

        Ever since that, the engine seems to vibrate a bit when higher rpms are reached (just above 3000rpm in fact) as described:

        1.) There is a particular rattlesnake sound about the engine which i'm pretty sure wasn't there before.

        2.) There is a more disconcerting er... shall we say, "suffocated metallic" sound above 4000rpm; kind of like what it would have sounded if it had a k&n air filter with extra air intake adjustment installed, only much lower in volume. This sound is quite obnoxious, like as if (my imagination takes over) a piece of metal had disengaged from inside the gearbox, slipped in through the oil and gotten into the crank case.

        What could possibly be the cause of these vibrations? Is it possible that a dog wheel got ground and that small pieces from the gearbox have entered the cylinder? I also seem to sense a lack of smoothness is delivery of power when i throttle from fully closed throttle (idle rpm) to the very next increment.

        I would be extremely grateful for your opinions. Until some probable conclusion is reached, i'm keeping the bike in the shed.
        Speed is a joy but roads are not race track. Keep speed in your limit and always Drive safe...

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        • #5
          I am not going to be quick-shifting for a long time now. Almost never again.

          Loose valve noise? Could be. I'll ask my mechanic to check the valves, then. Does this problem further harm the engine if ignored upto the 1000km mark?

          Today I changed the engine oil as well as oil filter element for the second time. This was meant to be the 500km change. I filtered the old engine oil through a cloth, it took time, but finally i only found very tiny pieces of metal. No big chunk of metal or anything. I rode the bike again and it was much smoother than before, although the difference may be negligible; i tend to be hyper-sensitive about my bike.

          The noise persists though. It seems to be coming from the near the headlight-handlebar region, does that make any sense? The noise is like that created by excess vibrations.

          Thanks a lot for replying Sam and Sarvajit!
          - The understood pseudo-purpose of existence is not to live the Good Life, but to necessarily live.

          My photography: http://themotivehunter.deviantart.com/

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          • #6
            Originally posted by TheDeadRider View Post
            I am not going to be quick-shifting for a long time now. Almost never again.

            Loose valve noise? Could be. I'll ask my mechanic to check the valves, then. Does this problem further harm the engine if ignored upto the 1000km mark?

            Today I changed the engine oil as well as oil filter element for the second time. This was meant to be the 500km change. I filtered the old engine oil through a cloth, it took time, but finally i only found very tiny pieces of metal. No big chunk of metal or anything. I rode the bike again and it was much smoother than before, although the difference may be negligible; i tend to be hyper-sensitive about my bike.

            The noise persists though. It seems to be coming from the near the headlight-handlebar region, does that make any sense? The noise is like that created by excess vibrations.

            Thanks a lot for replying Sam and Sarvajit!
            Speed is a joy but roads are not race track. Keep speed in your limit and always Drive safe...

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            • #7
              Originally posted by soumen.sam View Post

              Do one thing, put the bike on neutral and on main stand and start the engine. Observe the noise. Then at which RPM you felt the noise put the engine in that RPM and see. Then try to locate the source of the noise, from engine or somewhere else.
              I tried that already. I took it till 7000rpm. The noise starts after 4000rpm. I even put it in first gear (with the center stand on) and gunned to 4000rpm.

              I observed some other things today. These things weren't happening just 60km before.

              1.) The acceleration seems low, the engine is sluggish (not extremely) and the response is bad. It seems like i'm forcing the bike to ride quick and it's not interested.

              2.) In second or third gear, if i cut the throttle and coast, when i slow down, the whole bike shivers, vibrates and jerks. And it's not because of the low torque 'lugging', it's different somehow. I've ridden enough km to know what the low torque engine lugging feels like. The tapping sound and the threatening feeling that the bike may switch off any moment are not there.

              I went to a trustworthy mechanic and asked him to check if the disc brake had cramped slightly on the front wheel, but he thought this was not the case. He asked me to get the valves and tappets checked after 1000km.

              I then called over one of my friends (who has an FZ16) and i rode his bike. It has done 6000km and it has better acceleration than mine does currently. Also, it does not quake as violently as mine does at low rpm.

              Originally posted by soumen.sam View Post
              With the new oil the engine will be smoother any way. Also stick with the recommended oil grade always. Incorrect oil grade can make huge difference. Which oil you are using? What was the last oil and oil grade? Did you check the grade?
              I use the YamaLube Mineral 20W40 SL oil.

              So finally, do i just continue to ride it and not complain (and ignore "a stitch in time saves nine") or should i really worry about this?
              - The understood pseudo-purpose of existence is not to live the Good Life, but to necessarily live.

              My photography: http://themotivehunter.deviantart.com/

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