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  • #31
    Re: Moto GP 2020 discussion thread

    Originally posted by xBhp View Post
    So the cat's out of the bag. Wish it was Schrodinger's though... poor thing has been stuck for a while.

    Anyway, my name is Karan. I have been with the xBhp Core Team for more than 2 years. Usually I am caught up with the magazine and for the news and reviews that I post on the forums, the xBhp profile suffices. I am not much of a conversationalist so the arrangement was working fine. But since you popped the question, I felt obliged to answer.
    Hi Karan.
    Welcome to xBhp. (yes, I do feel a tad stupid for saying that, especially after two years, but since I've been here for longer than you have, I guess I can)

    Good to see new faces join the forum (and sad to see the older ones leave, but that's life).

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    • #32
      Re: Moto GP 2020 discussion thread

      Originally posted by HyperRetard View Post
      Hi Karan.
      Welcome to xBhp. (yes, I do feel a tad stupid for saying that, especially after two years, but since I've been here for longer than you have, I guess I can)
      Thank you and you certainly can. Firstly, because this is more or less welcome for me to the forums despite my tenure and second, you've been here for a while and the members have made this community what it is. Despite not participating actively, I read a lot on the forums and I have immense respect for all of you who take out the time to contribute to the huge knowledge bank that this forum is. I have learned a lot and I will continue to do so.

      Originally posted by HyperRetard View Post
      Good to see new faces join the forum (and sad to see the older ones leave, but that's life).
      It is sad because if you really think about it, most things sound so much nicer when you add good'ol as a prefix. But as you rightly said, that's life.

      Again, thank you for that kind welcome.

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      • #33
        Re: Moto GP 2020 discussion thread

        Friday is here and so is the start to the Styria GP. The biggest news is the extension of the tyre barrier and the air fence at the dreaded turn. While it may likely make things safer for riders negotiating turn 3, it may somewhat accentuate the dangers of turn 2. The fact that the latter is negotiated at over 300 km/h, there is not enough safe area if a crash were to happen and now, if it happens, the sliding riders and the bike (both at dangerous speeds) may hit the barrier and that will be a nightmare. What happened to Moto2 rider Luis Salom in 2016 seems like a possible scenario in the event of a crash or tangle at Turn 2. The layout may need some more radical changes but for this Sunday, we can just pray.

        After the meeting with the stewards, the Pol-Oliveira incident has been deemed a racing incident and the verdict on Zarco-Morbidelli crash is due today. About the former, I read about Pol's reaction to Oliveira's comments. It's all well and good with both the riders putting forth their versions of the accident to the fore but Pol, again, went a little overboard. I simply point to his one statement- "He (Oliveira) rides the bike that I made..." A little humility goes a long way Pol and we know that the contributions from Pedrosa and KTM were significant too. Oliveira too, unexpectedly I might add, overdid it a little by questioning Pol's intelligence and Pol's reaction was expected, but to say I built the bike? Man...

        And then there's the crucification of Zarco in the the media. Like I said before, the move was a little over-ambitious but to unload all the blame on him for the crash (and for nearly killing Rossi... yep!) is unnecessary. If the track layout was not the way it is, it would have been another racing incident in all probability. Everywhere I see, it is Rossi nearly dies, Rossi shaken and so on... I don't take anything away from the ferocity and the dangers of the crash and the rash move by Zarco but can we please also ask Vinales if he's okay? The Top Gun himself was almost Goose'd

        But all of that is just me... do let me know me know what you feel about what has transpired...
        Last edited by xBhp; 08-21-2020, 06:20 PM.

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        • #34
          Re: Moto GP 2020 discussion thread

          Originally posted by xBhp View Post
          Friday is here and so is the start to the Styria GP. The biggest news is the extension of the tyre barrier and the air fence at the dreaded turn.
          But all of that is just me... do let me know me know what you feel about what has transpired...
          Accidents can happen anywhere and you cannot foolproof a racing circuit but they had to do something about the turn and i'm sure the riders would have given their input's ,also Capirossi is one of the track safety steward's so they would have thought of the best solution possible under the circumstances.Now whether they are going to make Zarco an example to satisfy the media concerns we will have to see ,but Zarco has already had a minor scaphoid surgery to insert a pin so he might as well take whatever comes his way and get ready for the next race.

          All the older riders with or without guaranteed places for next year are feeling threatened since there is a long line up of young and talented youngsters coming from moto 2 and 3 who are capable enough to jump directly onto factory machines instead of the old method of evaluating them in the independent or satellite teams before joining the big teams.The Spanish and Italian factories are churning out young and talented riders by the truckloads.

          Anyway, my name is Karan. I have been with the xBhp Core Team for more than 2 years. Usually I am caught up with the magazine and for the news and reviews that I post on the forums, the xBhp profile suffices. I am not much of a conversationalist so the arrangement was working fine. But since you popped the question, I felt obliged to answer.
          Hi Karan ,good to have somebody to bounce your views on MotoGP .Past couple of seasons the members active on the motorsports thread has been declining and sometimes it has become a monologue but glad to have somebody from the xbhp side active on the thread and thanks to @ HyperRetard for popping the question .
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          • #35
            Re: Moto GP 2020 discussion thread

            Originally posted by bharatheshk View Post
            Accidents can happen anywhere and you cannot foolproof a racing circuit but they had to do something about the turn and i'm sure the riders would have given their input's ,also Capirossi is one of the track safety steward's so they would have thought of the best solution possible under the circumstances.
            True but as I said, it may need more radical changes. Anyway, while that may come in due time, it is up to the riders to try their best to ride safe and have an ample amount of respect for other riders too even if they are competitors.

            Zarco starts from the pitlane on Sunday. A tad too harsh, I believe. I saw the punishment coming for him from a mile away but did not expect that. And with the pitlane start and the track playing to the strengths of the Desmosedici, he may be pushed to ride hard even more. I just hope he is smart about it though.

            And like you said, the threat from more and more talented riders joining the grid, the older riders are having to push harder than ever to stay in MotoGP. I am also of the opinion that with riders like Binder who are not scared to go bare-knuckle at the drop of a hat, even 93 may need to watch his step. I just hope to see him back soon because he will be going berserk like the proverbial Spanish bull.

            Originally posted by bharatheshk View Post
            Hi Karan ,good to have somebody to bounce your views on MotoGP .Past couple of seasons the members active on the motorsports thread has been declining and sometimes it has become a monologue but glad to have somebody from the xbhp side active on the thread and thanks to @ HyperRetard for popping the question.
            I am equally glad to be able to do that and grateful to you guys for contributing. The numbers have surely declined but I will try to make sure that this thread, and hopefully future ones for MotoGP, do not turn into monologues.

            In today's proceedings, Miller, Dovi, and Oliveira are 1,2, and 3, respectively, in FP1. Miller and Pol hit 314 km/h, the best of the session, 313 km/h for Alex Marquez and Dovi... what's so special? Alex Rins with 312 km/h. Though not indicative of a lot, it is some more evidence that the GSX-RR has been turned into a proper tool!

            Update:

            The track is seemingly getting a tad difficult for the riders. Quite a few missed braking points in Moto3 FP1 including Darryn Binder who overshot and ran off the track. Joan Mir overshot turn 4, followed by Morbidelli who almost went down. Alex Rins on top of FP2 for now...

            I wonder if it's the modification messing with their perception of the track. After all, it plays a big role for the riders in defining their braking points and lines and the changes maybe be causing some sort of a short circuit.

            Anyway, here's the modification.

            https://twitter.com/MotoGP/status/1296782199371575296?s=20

            Update:

            Quartararo runs off at T4 as well. This is probably the 3rd or the 4th time where Quartararo has messed up his lap... and he seems quite frustrated. Last week he talked about braking issues. Could be the same thing again. Yamaha has withdrawn the request to unseal their engines but rumours suggest that they may have lowered the rpm to increase longevity. And now braking troubles... funny season for Yamaha this.

            FP2 is done and dusted. Espargaro is impressive again and is at the top followed by an equally impressive Nakagami. Mir looks set to improve on his Austrian GP performance and sits at 3rd with Rins in 4th. Suzukis 3rd and 4th on a track that favours V4s... good stuff. Race day will be different though but things look good for the Hamamatsu marquee. Here are the rest in order:

            >Vinales: Won't say anything till the end of the race

            >Oliveira: Another good outing for the Portugese

            >Morbidelli: Seems more consistent than Fabio at the moment

            >Aleix Espargaro: He needs to make Sunday his day

            >Rossi: Will probably be much better on Sunday.

            >Binder: Consecutive weekends at a track you don't like a lot help

            >Lecuona: Impressive last time around looking to do the same again

            >Alex Marquez: The RC213V takes a lot to adapt and Jr. Marquez is in for a tough season

            >Crutchlow: Not sure what's going on because... Nakagami

            >Quartararo: Seems a bit bothered now with Dovi closing in on the championship lead

            {>Dovi

            >Pirro

            >Miller

            >Petrucci}

            {"15, 16, 17, and 18 for the Ducatis. Understandable that it is Friday and they may be saving up but with the weather predictions for tomorrow, this could spell disaster for the Bologna bullets"}

            >Smith: Aprilia needs his help

            >Bradl: And Honda needs his help

            >Rabat:

            Now, let's see how the Quali goes tomorrow...
            Last edited by xBhp; 08-21-2020, 07:45 PM.

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            • #36
              Re: Moto GP 2020 discussion thread

              Finally!!!
              Justice for Miguel.
              What a ride by injured Miller.
              Gutted for Mir.

              And karma for Pol.

              Really dislike both Pol and Quatararo.

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              • #37
                Re: Moto GP 2020 discussion thread

                What a race ,the season has become so unpredictable that you wonder what it would have been with Marc fit .Of course with Marc supposedly being out for a couple of months at least for rehabilitation it has become a game of musical chairs. Mir and Nakagami were big time losers due to the red flag .The Red bull circuit has had enough drama for the whole season with Vinales jumping off the bike at 200kmph. All credit to Olivera for the fantastic ride to be the first Portuguese winner to follow the first South African winner for KTM. I expected Binder to be strong in the 12 lap second race but he committed a lot of uncharacteristic mistakes while Pol was more composed. Miller was very impressive with his pace in spite of the injury.Yamaha's loss of pace and brakes was only bettered by Honda with a lack of quality riders.

                VR 46 academy had a great day with both Moto 2 and 3 winners.

                Martin rode a brilliant ride only to be denied of the top spot due to exceeding track limits in the last lap to give Bezzechi a win.Bastianini had a forgetful race and Marini didn't have the pace of his teammate.Lowes taking out Chantra and Navarro was bad .Remy Gardner in 3rd had a great result after the crash last week ,this guy is a demon in braking and would do his dad proud.

                Vietti rode a brilliant race to pip Arbolina to the flag though the Honda had superior power to the KTM.McPhee crashing out has helped Arenas in the championship battle while Ogura is getting consistent podiums.Sad to see the KTM teammates take out each other.

                Now for the 2 week wait till Misano .
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                • #38
                  Re: Moto GP 2020 discussion thread

                  Originally posted by HyperRetard View Post
                  Finally!!! Justice for Miguel.
                  Justice? Maybe. A fantastic ride? Hell yeah. Miller is one of the best guys off the track and a really good one on the track. He pushed through the pain barrier and muscled that Ducati around for a fantastic finish. Gotta love Miller. I just wish for more consistency from him which, by the way, he is starting to show.

                  Mir? Man... you have to feel sad for that guy. What a roll he was on in Race 1. I believe he would have won because he was leading so he could manage that tyre and then there's the uncanny ability of the GSX-RR to preserve tyres. But it is what it is and young Mir should take it as a sign that he is now ready to mingle with the big boys.

                  Karma for Pol? Well... There's no denying the fact that he rode very well and the fact that during the interview he admitted that it was a good battle and it was Mir's race was also good to hear. Maybe he has undergone PR training or maybe, he was just overwhelmed a tad too much in the past few weeks. No one knows but he rode well, fought hard and that's good for the viewers.

                  Curious about why you dislike Quartararo...

                  Originally posted by bharatheshk View Post
                  What a race ,the season has become so unpredictable that you wonder what it would have been with Marc fit .Of course with Marc supposedly being out for a couple of months at least for rehabilitation it has become a game of musical chairs.
                  Indeed! This season has been a thriller. We have had just 5 races... with 4 different winners! And 3 of them first time winners and 2 of them from a satellite teams. 2020 is turning out to be a very exciting season. About Marc, even Oliveira said that with Marc out, everyone feels like they have a shot at the championship. I wish Marc a speedy recovery because I cannot wait for these young guns to take it to Marc and to see how he deals with it.

                  Vinales... What can one say about him. He has had two horrendous outings at the Ring. Almost got hit bike a bike and then jumping off of the M1 at over 200 km/h? Makes one wonder what would have gone through his mind at that moment...

                  Like I said, very sad for Mir and Taka. Mir was in a league of his own and even Nakagami, who overtook Miller on a 'starting to wear out' soft rear. And to think he was stretching away from the Aussie too... That was just sad. Binder... well he is still new and I am sure he's going to start to calm down in a few races. He knows he is good and if he can keep his eagerness in check, he'll be a great rider.

                  Oliveira... man what a ride by him. He was very good on Race 1 too but in Race 2, he showed what good temperament and patience and can do for a rider. He could have been overeager like Pol in previous races and Binder in this one. Instead, he kept up with the leaders, bode his time, and made a move when it counted. What a ride! When Miller overtook Pol after the slight mistake from the latter, Miguel knew that he has got a shot because Pol would try something and then Miller too because they both were all in. I have watched his pass on the two of them a million times already... Amazing stuff!

                  Martin and Bezzecchi were really good in Moto2. Bezzechi pushed Martin so hard and the latter's mistake is such an easy one to make in those conditions. But Gardner was something else. He had stated earlier that his motorcycle has acceleration trouble so he has to make up in braking and damn is he good at it! Made his father proud? Absolutely. But then, it was almost gut-wrenching to see him take the lead in braking only to lose it in the exit as the other motorcycles would just cruise past him... But anyway, he has a bright future ahead of him. Which motorcycle on the GP grip do you guys think will suit him the most? (Not Yamaha for obvious reasons)

                  Great day for VR46 academy. Bad one of KTM riders (in Moto3). Arbolino's Honda was seemingly more grunty but Vietti held on to his nerves. Got to feel bad for McPhee. Second time this season he has crashed at the end of the race... Arenas sure was helped by that mistake from the Scottish rider.

                  Now, I would like to get this out. Two of the newer manufacturers in MotoGP seem to have the best bikes on the grid at the moment. KTM... well, they have a truckload of money, 4 full-time riders, Pedrosa, and a mission to dominate road-racing as well. I was dumbstruck seeing Oliveira take that sweeping line in the final corner. Not proper inline-4 line but still, it was so uncharacteristic of a V4! And then there's Suzuki with 2 full time riders and yet, the GSX-RR has come such a long way! And their holeshot device seems to be even better than the Desmosedicis because the kind of launch Mir got in both the races (and Rins in Race 1) is the stuff of dreams when it comes to starts.

                  It is just amazing to see and almost surprising to see manufacturers like Yamaha, Honda, and Ducati struggle. To be honest, Honda had it coming. They need a bike that is rideable soon because even Marquez won't be able to fend off talented and hungry riders on very competitive machines. Yamaha? Well, I don't know what's going on (and I do not refer to just the technical issues they are facing this season).

                  Yamaha must understand that corner speed king M1 which is good for light to flag runs (like Lorenzo did) is not enough anymore. More competitive bikes on the grid means more fights and as it stands, the M1 does not seem like a very good motorcycle for dogfights the likes of which we are seeing this season. And Ducati... well... I don't even need to say anything because Stoner already did.

                  Do let me know your thoughts about the bikes on the grid this season, everyone.
                  Last edited by xBhp; 08-24-2020, 05:11 PM.

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                  • #39
                    Re: Moto GP 2020 discussion thread

                    Originally posted by xBhp View Post


                    . Which motorcycle on the GP grip do you guys think will suit him the most? (Not Yamaha for obvious reasons)
                    Right now Suzuki looks the best package for most of the smoother riders like Remy i think ,the double header at Misano will reveal the strengths and weakness of all the manufacturers compared to Austria where KTM and Ducati had obvious advantage in a short track with less corners .

                    Do let me know your thoughts about the bikes on the grid this season, everyone
                    The talent of Marc has overcome the weakness of Honda and they have catered to him at the cost of whoever is his teammate leading to the present situation .This is really loss of face to the Japanese manufacturer who used to pride their machine to be superior to the rider specially when Rossi left the team and joined Yamaha .I wonder if they can afford to do the same in case of Marc .It would also be interesting to see if Marc can go to a new team and turn it around to become a champion ,no doubt he is a talented freak but injuries ,age and younger talented rider have come up and tasted blood in his absence.The decision to take Alex seems to be backfiring big time,specially when there were more talented riders in Moto 2 .

                    Yamaha has suffered from lack of horse power since a long time relying on their superior handling ,not innovating since their crossplane era. Now even the reliability of the engines are not guaranteed .They expected Vinales to pick up from Rossi and lead the charge but his consistency has been dissapointing .

                    All the newer players have been able to develop more also due to the concessions given to them in terms of testing .What a great treat it is to have so many manufacturers come in and taste success so soon ,once upon a time i expected Moto GP to be combined with WSBK to save it fro going bankrupt .Going from 2 stroke 500 cc to 4 strokes and 800 cc to 990 cc ,there was so much uncertainty on the manufacturers left in the game and it seems like a long time ago.

                    I was so hoping for Kawasaki to come into Moto GP specially when they could spend so much on their WSBK team.Never expected KTM to come into Moto GP but they were committed in their endevour and the results are there to be seen .Let's hope for more exciting races in the season and a fight to the finish.
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                    • #40
                      Re: Moto GP 2020 discussion thread

                      Originally posted by bharatheshk View Post
                      Right now Suzuki looks the best package for most of the smoother riders like Remy i think ,the double header at Misano will reveal the strengths and weakness of all the manufacturers compared to Austria where KTM and Ducati had obvious advantage in a short track with less corners.
                      Apologies for the radio silence. I got a little caught up and a news notification about Mir branding the GSX-RR as a championship contender brings me here.

                      Suzuki does seem to be a great package. Handling and smoothness is kind of expected because it is an inline-4 but the speed that it has shown is something. Testament to this fact is Rossi's statement about it. He said that he was very impressed with the GSX-RR as he got to look at it in action while tailing one. He said that it is smooth and a great handler but the power, or more precisely, the way it puts down that power has enabled it to keep in sight most of the V4s on the grid which are considered to be inherently faster than inline-4s. The performance of Alex Rins and Joan Mir (plus the latter's statement about the GSX-RR being a championship-winning package) is just more proof.

                      Honda is in a bad bad way. Even more so in light of what [MENTION=29997]bharatheshk[/MENTION] pointed out about them considering their machine superior over the rider. Yet, as soon as Marc was out of the picture, they are in shambles. Marc is an amazing rider but not a package developer per se. True that a great rider simply rides around the weaknesses of the bike and utilizes the strengths but to what extent? He simply found it easier to ride around the glaring issues that the Honda is ridden with while he got away with it for the most part, other riders struggled. But luck and talent is not an infinite resource and needs replenishing. That very replenishment is what a better Honda would have given him. He simply relied on himself and never banked on the motorcycle's prowess... In Marc's place it is not wrong to do that (just a little careless) but it has been a grave oversight on the part of HRC. I also read somewhere that KTM is in this place because of a gift from Puig and Honda called Pedrosa.

                      Perhaps Yamaha is also paying the price for its somewhat complacent attitude in regards to the development.

                      On the more exciting side of things, it is awesome to see the newer manufacturers making the most of the concessions and finding themselves on the sharp end of the grid. Again, I read somewhere that the other manufacturers are wary of KTM which is on its way to develop a super engine. And KTM may very well be able to do it because they are still being allowed to develop the engine.

                      Whatever happens, it just seems like a good time rolling for the sport as the competition is getting fiercer. And as rightly pointed out, newcomers have also tasted blood and Marquez will have his hands full when he returns. But him getting to race this year seems almost like a pipe dream. It was a shocker to hear that he'll be out for '2-3' months!

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                      • #41
                        Re: Moto GP 2020 discussion thread

                        Originally posted by bharatheshk View Post

                        Yamaha has suffered from lack of horse power since a long time relying on their superior handling ,not innovating since their crossplane era. Now even the reliability of the engines are not guaranteed .They expected Vinales to pick up from Rossi and lead the charge but his consistency has been dissapointing .
                        Sorry for being silent for two weeks, had been busy with work, IMO Yamaha's problem started after Lorenzo's departure, Yamaha engineers aren't able to develop bike due to different ridding styles of their factory riders. Rossi suffers with Vinales' similar setup and Vinales vice-versa. Rossi had podium finish at Jerez because he pushed Yamaha to make changes to the set-up. Sadly, with this bike I don't think Vinales' or even Fabio could become champion. Next year would be more trouble for Factory Yamaha with Vinales and Fabio as team-mates.

                        Vinales is winner rider, but he fails to consistent, hope this isn't due to pressure of becoming Champion.

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                        • #42
                          Re: Moto GP 2020 discussion thread

                          Originally posted by €lixir View Post
                          Sorry for being silent for two weeks, had been busy with work, IMO Yamaha's problem started after Lorenzo's departure, Yamaha engineers aren't able to develop bike due to different ridding styles of their factory riders. Rossi suffers with Vinales' similar setup and Vinales vice-versa. Rossi had podium finish at Jerez because he pushed Yamaha to make changes to the set-up. Sadly, with this bike I don't think Vinales' or even Fabio could become champion. Next year would be more trouble for Factory Yamaha with Vinales and Fabio as team-mates.

                          Vinales is winner rider, but he fails to consistent, hope this isn't due to pressure of becoming Champion.
                          In my humble opinion, that is not the case. Yamaha's problem started when the tyre supplier changed from Bridgestone to Michelin.
                          The inherent difference between the two tyres is:
                          1) Bridgestone rear tyre had more outright edge grip which suited yamaha's riding style, especially Lorenzo. Yamaha could carry its higher corner speeds because of it. Bridge stones front tyre was not as supportive and hence slowing in early (braking not as hard) and carrying higher corner speeds worked.

                          2) Michelin is opposite. Michelins rear tyre does not have that outright edge grip. Plus michelins front tyre has God level of grips. Its supports Honda and to some extent Ducatis Point and Shoot riding style and super aggressive bra more. More so it supports Marc's super aggressive front end antics too. Yamaha as a bike is not made for this riding style.


                          I am in no way an expert. This is just something I read and made sense to me.

                          Rachit
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                          • #43
                            Re: Moto GP 2020 discussion thread

                            Originally posted by rachitkdogra View Post
                            In my humble opinion, that is not the case. Yamaha's problem started when the tyre supplier changed from Bridgestone to Michelin.
                            The inherent difference between the two tyres is:
                            1) Bridgestone rear tyre had more outright edge grip which suited yamaha's riding style, especially Lorenzo. Yamaha could carry its higher corner speeds because of it. Bridge stones front tyre was not as supportive and hence slowing in early (braking not as hard) and carrying higher corner speeds worked.

                            2) Michelin is opposite. Michelins rear tyre does not have that outright edge grip. Plus michelins front tyre has God level of grips. Its supports Honda and to some extent Ducatis Point and Shoot riding style and super aggressive bra more. More so it supports Marc's super aggressive front end antics too. Yamaha as a bike is not made for this riding style.


                            I am in no way an expert. This is just something I read and made sense to me.

                            Rachit
                            In one way we can say that but regarding Yamaha riders tyre issue, mostly with Rossi is he stresses the edge of the rear tyre more which degrades tyre faster than his other Yamaha team-mates, even Vinales or Fabio suffers lesser tyre issues, his riding style suited with Bridgestone which were stiffest tyres. Most issue with Yamaha is they haven't adjusted to the Michelin or improved their bike since Lorenzo left. 2015 season was triple crown for Yamaha (Bridgestone tyres), 2016 season too had winning bike (Dorna switched to Michelins).
                            Right now we can only say Yamaha did mistake by giving early contracts and their engineers still haven't adapted to "New Tyre and ECU changes". Their main rivals Ducati and Honda improved improved a lot.

                            But I prefer Michelins over Bridgestone any day not because I'm Michelin fanboy but due to the design of both tyres. Bridgestones tyres back in the day allowed every rider to push thoughout the race as tyre degradation was far lower than today's Michelins, but new Michelins have improved a lot since 2016. Its like it gives more competition among riders plus Dorna with Michelins want riders to have strategy from start of the race with proper setup of the bike.

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                            • #44
                              Re: Moto GP 2020 discussion thread

                              Originally posted by €lixir View Post
                              In one way we can say that but regarding Yamaha riders tyre issue, mostly with Rossi is he stresses the edge of the rear tyre more which degrades tyre faster than his other Yamaha team-mates, even Vinales or Fabio suffers lesser tyre issues, his riding style suited with Bridgestone which were stiffest tyres. Most issue with Yamaha is they haven't adjusted to the Michelin or improved their bike since Lorenzo left. 2015 season was triple crown for Yamaha (Bridgestone tyres), 2016 season too had winning bike (Dorna switched to Michelins).
                              Right now we can only say Yamaha did mistake by giving early contracts and their engineers still haven't adapted to "New Tyre and ECU changes". Their main rivals Ducati and Honda improved improved a lot.

                              But I prefer Michelins over Bridgestone any day not because I'm Michelin fanboy but due to the design of both tyres. Bridgestones tyres back in the day allowed every rider to push thoughout the race as tyre degradation was far lower than today's Michelins, but new Michelins have improved a lot since 2016. Its like it gives more competition among riders plus Dorna with Michelins want riders to have strategy from start of the race with proper setup of the bike.
                              I Do Not Disagree with you on the strategy piece being exciting, however I have seen people favour pure performance all throughout the race as well.
                              In my opinion, like everything else, both has their pros and cons.

                              The bottom line remains, Yamaha needs to do more to make their bike suitable for the Michelin Tyres so that their riders can get the maximum out of it.

                              CHEERS!!

                              Rachit
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                              • #45
                                Re: Moto GP 2020 discussion thread

                                Originally posted by rachitkdogra View Post
                                I Do Not Disagree with you on the strategy piece being exciting, however I have seen people favour pure performance all throughout the race as well.
                                In my opinion, like everything else, both has their pros and cons.

                                The bottom line remains, Yamaha needs to do more to make their bike suitable for the Michelin Tyres so that their riders can get the maximum out of it.

                                CHEERS!!

                                Rachit
                                No worries mate, everyone have their own opinions, but we can only say Yamaha needs to find someone like Masao Furusawa then they can be back on right track.
                                BTW what's your opinion on Yamaha not letting or utilising Jorge Lorenzo's talent in private tests?

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