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**Ricci** · 09-18-2003, 10:35 PM

Indian muscle ? Jawa was Czech wasn't it ? So what if we make it in India , then every bike made in India can be "Indian" , and the Bulet 500 is muscle enough .

Want real Indian muscle ? Just find a ricj tycoon to finance and all-Indian sportbike ( with me as project leader of course ! ) ...then see.

Any , new 2004 Suzuki GSX-R750 weights 163kg and makes 148BHP ! Thats what 1998-2001 R1s made with 998cc !

**Glifford** · 09-18-2003, 11:12 PM

quote:Originally posted by sudhirbhan

For people who didn't know, Ideal Jawa factory was auctioned recently and the successful bidder, according to the newspaper reports was a member of the Irani family. Hope they resurrect the marque

Pardon me for my ignorance...which Irani family is this? Does it have to do anything with Iran?

And it's a tough job to resurrect such bikes in an economoy crazy country like India unless of course ur core competence is 2 wheelers (or Automobiles atleast, as in the case of Eicher).

And yes U need die hard enthusiasm, and pure passion to resurrect these marques like what Sid Lal has! If U R pure business minded, they would rather sell off the assets and make more money.

BTW: What were are proud Indian Bike Manufacturers like TVS and Bajaj doing when this was up for auction. Wouldn't it be easier to add these products to expand their portfolio?

**Ricci** · 09-18-2003, 11:40 PM

Why would BAL and others buy something that's not selling ? They're more inclined to staying in business and making profit than salvaging motoring glory , be it Indian or any other .

Like you said , the passion for biking is missing amongst our bike makers .

**Glifford** · 09-18-2003, 11:54 PM

quote:Originally posted by Ricci

Like you said , the passion for biking is missing amongst our bike makers .

Remind's me of what BBC Top Gear's Jeremy Clarkson had to say about the Japanese Car Makers.

Besides Honda, none of the car makers came into Car Manufacturing for any other reason but to make money!.........Toyota Used to make Mill Equipment!

**rash_rp** · 09-19-2003, 07:30 AM

quote:Originally posted by Glifford

quote:Originally posted by Ricci

Like you said , the passion for biking is missing amongst our bike makers .

Remind's me of what BBC Top Gear's Jeremy Clarkson had to say about the Japanese Car Makers.

Besides Honda, none of the car makers came into Car Manufacturing for any other reason but to make money!.........Toyota Used to make Mill Equipment!

U r right Gliff, and these Japnese Car makers are making some real money....Toyota is the World's Largest Car Manufacturer, and Honda is the World's Largetst Automobile Manufacturer.

**arpandiv** · 09-19-2003, 07:57 AM

Yeah these japs

if they would have stuck to making their computers we would have had Brit and american motorcycles...gr8 ones like INDIAN Truimph HD apna Enfield etc. Sadly these guys kept lowering costs and stuff and tried to beat Honda and other jap companies at their own game [V] eventually HD only survived "all-throughout" bec it stuck to bein different.

**rash_rp** · 09-19-2003, 06:19 PM

arpan, if it were not for these jap maufacturers, we would'nt have got the Gixxers, CBRs, Ninjas and the YZFs....we would only have cruisers or muscle bikes like these.

**Ricci** · 09-19-2003, 11:13 PM

Arpan bro , why the negativity abt Japanese ?
Didn't they succeed in making kickass bikes that are more reliable and powerful , smoother than Eurpeans ? And isn't every bike other than Enfiels and Jawa owe its existence to Japanese ?

**arpandiv** · 09-20-2003, 07:37 AM

Ricci,not being negative,just putting my point of view. What i meant to say was that Japs always known for cost-cutting and VFM(value for money). But when you are a true biker,VFM is not our dictionary right??We just by what rules the mind,brose through history of motorcycles in 1950s etc and you will know what me trying to convey

**Glifford** · 09-20-2003, 04:05 PM

Exactly Arpan,

British/American bikes are more about character and spirit than die hard performance. If U R a true enthusiast U can not only ride ur machine but are ready to get ur palms greasy (in the literal sense) when needed. I just love the Triumphs!

The Germans are the best of both. A lot of heritage and character, and also die hard reliability.

The Italians...they are performance in a sort of eccentric, cutting-edge technology, way. Radical engine and chassis designs etc. The Aprilias, Moto-Guzzis, Laverdas, Piaggios, Bimotas, Cagiva they are all radically different designs.

And who can forget the likes of Ducati. Man whatever anyone Says I feel that they are the Ferraris of the Motorcycling world. Just as exclusive and fast. Esp the 900 series. They are also sport that Blood red Ferrari colour.

**rash_rp** · 09-20-2003, 10:12 PM

Arpan, Gliff, I agree with u, but have'nt both of u gone for the Pulsars, instead of the Karizma because they r better VFM ?

**Glifford** · 09-23-2003, 09:35 AM

Agreed Rash... that the Pulsar is much more Value for Money than the Karizma (and that's what Jap bikes have meant to the millions worldwide). And that's the reason I am waiting for the 180 DTS-i, while Arpan already has one!

But Coming back to Jap bikes... the Karizma is surely more Japanese than the Pulsar. The Pulsar is as Japanese as the Tata Indica/Indigo is Italian.

Tokyo R&D did the basic body design that was later refined by Bajaj. Everything else is in house. In the same way as the Indica was designed by I.D.E.A (or was it ItalDesign?)

Agreed that Bajaj got it's bike builing expertise from Kawasaki (which is as Japanese as it can get). But it was the Bajaj in-house team that totally refined the Cailber 115 which is way better than its predecessor. Bajaj also has associations with Cagiva of Italy and some other Australian company in the past! (besides Piaggio's Vespa ofcourse!)

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