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  • #16
    Originally posted by asif View Post
    There is a hell lot more of calculation to be made before one can say that.Have you ever checked the price of the bike elsewhere.Please Do. Its not the price that makes it expensive, but the duty on it. Considering the vendors Yamaha would have to setup, the import cost on critical parts like engine, frame,suspension, etc. and you say that they can produce a R6 under 3L and get a profit of Rs. 50,000 on it is simple out of the world for me.
    The country you and me are still in a "Kitna deti hai" world. Very few people talk about performance.A "performance starved country" would never have the sky rocketing sales of Splendors, Discovers and Platinas or may be the word performance has a different meaning thats unknown to me.Lastly do you think the "performance starved country" is going to buy a desi R6 with critical parts made in India and please don't compare a Apple to a watermelon.
    Originally posted by w4rrior View Post
    India is a 'mileage starved' country. Only few people like us xbhpians are performance starved. If we look around we can find hell lot of 100/125cc bikes compared to 'performance bikes'.
    28,000 by itself is such a small amount that not much decent profit can come out of it. No, I don't have figures, but outclassing the cheapest bike by around Rs. 9000 is no joke.

    Hmm... Yes, largely speaking, its a mileage starved country.
    My quote was wrong. I'll rephrase what I wanted to say: My point was that fast bikes were never given a decent chance to succeed due to limitations imposed by the companies themselves. You won't price them good, won't get them to all places, won't service them at all places either. So, how can they succeed?

    As for the R6's estimation, I'm quite sure about it. Please note that I'm talking about mass production costs, not ex factory or ex-showroom. And I'm talking excluding the R&D involved. R6 and R1's prices are much more than Fz6 and FZ1, largely due to R&D. Although, its just my personal belief, based on some rough calculations only. May be wrong too, who knows...
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    • #17
      Originally posted by Abhisek View Post
      R0.75 with a top speed of around 75-80 km/ph with a mileage of almost 60 kmpl with dual headlamps,led tail lamp and the word R enacted defining the Yamaha Legacy around an on road cost of around 45-50k. It won't be that much bad I think so.
      that's never gonna happen!! And fz8 already exists and it's not 16/2
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      • #18
        All said, I seriously doubt the quality of parts on these products, that too with the ever increasing input costs. A decent quality cycle costs upwards of 19k, and this, with all those electricals, engine, panels etc etc, I just don't know. Making it is very much a possibility, but the quality, I doubt...
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        • #19
          Originally posted by Samarth 619 View Post
          No, I don't have figures, but outclassing the cheapest bike by around Rs. 9000 is no joke.
          Please explain. I didn't get what you trying to convey here.

          Originally posted by Samarth 619 View Post
          My point was that fast bikes were never given a decent chance to succeed due to limitations imposed by the companies themselves. You won't price them good, won't get them to all places, won't service them at all places either. So, how can they succeed?
          What limitations imposed by the companies are we talking about here Sir. I think you have a little too much information mixed up.
          There is a lot of government regulations that are imposed on foreign manufacturers, be cars, bikes anything. In India majority of the bikes are of the commuter class (Thanks to BAL and HMC) cause that's what people want and hence thats what is made available. Even today during marriages in rural India the bride is gifted a Splendor or Crux, and thats not cheap to them. The point is there is a market and its not the non-availability or incapability of the manufacturer to make bigger bikes. Its we and most importantly government that has a control.

          Originally posted by Samarth 619 View Post
          As for the R6's estimation, I'm quite sure about it. Please note that I'm talking about mass production costs, not ex factory or ex-showroom. And I'm talking excluding the R&D involved. R6 and R1's prices are much more than Fz6 and FZ1, largely due to R&D. Although, its just my personal belief, based on some rough calculations only. May be wrong too, who knows...
          Still, at whatever cost we are talking it would be very difficult for Yamaha to have a indigenous R6 under 3L and have a margin of 50,000 and importantly how can cost of R&D be excluded for any manufacturer.
          Whats important is the price that we will be paying and not what cost is it to the manufacturer. There are many vehicles that are being sold today with companies making loss of 10,000-15,000 (am referring about 4 wheelers). Does that matter to a customer, all we know is the price we have paid and not the cost.
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