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  • Update: BMW - TVS to announce final deal on the 8th of April

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    Update: December 3, 2012

    Fast losing its halo, Chennai-based TVS Motor Company took another crack at the executive segment of India’s two-wheeler market with a new launch, the Phoenix, hoping for a revival. TVS said it hopes to finalise a technology agreement with premium automobile manufacturer BMW Group for developing high end motorcycles by the end of this fiscal.
    The company has been struggling in the domestic market, having lost its long standing number 3 position to Honda last year and is in danger of losing further steam this year.

    The executive segment is an area the company has never succeeded, its two previous offerings — the Flame and the clutch-less Jive — having been under performers. With the Phoenix, priced at R49,900-52,000 (ex-showroom Delhi), the company hopes to rise from the ashes.

    “This launch will increase our marketshare in the segment,” said HS Goindi, president-marketing, TVS Motor Company. “We intend to sell around 20,000 bikes a month to start with. We have enough capacity (to meet demand).”

    Goindi was evasive on growth on Monday.

    “The Flame never took off as due to the controversy (on patent infringement with Bajaj) shifted the focus elsewhere,” he said. “The Jive was I think ahead of its time. The market did not understand the clutch less concept. With Phoenix we hope to get it right this time.”

    Source: http://www.hindustantimes.com/News-F...e1-967870.aspx



    Having seen KTM, Triumph and a resurgent Ducati eye a move to Asian markets, BMW wants in but without devaluing its brand equity. Using its wholly-owned Italian subsidiary Husqvarna to forge a tie-up with Hosur-based bike maker TVS is one of the tasty possibilities with immense ramifications not just for India but also globally. Adil Jal Darukhanawala outlines the story which has the makings of a win-win situation for both bike makers and motorcyclists in the region.



    The success of Austrian bike maker KTM hasn’t gone unnoticed in the European market. Especially by BMW which has been on song for the past few years with its range of superbikes, traditional boxers for road and endurance plus also its tourers and custom bikes. However, the era of large capacity, hyper machines seems limited though very profitable but it will stay concentrated in the developed world with next to no worthwhile movement in the large mass motorcycle markets of the world. Read that as Asia, South America and Africa where motorcycles are first the main means of personal mobility for work and utility plus commuting and then tools for pleasure and performance.

    And just like KTM has taken the India route to success and volumes, BMW has been exploring this route as well though it has as yet to come up with its exact game plan. However, there is a subtle difference between KTM and BMW in their India approach. Bajaj Auto has been a strong investor-partner in KTM and in fact brings a lot of its low cost yet hi-tech manufacturing ability to the table. The Indian firm is already the world’s third largest bike maker by volume, the most profitable as well in the industry and to top it all has a terrific product development programme underway with technology and skills sets it has developed over the last decade and a half.

    German bike maker BMW acknowledges what has to be the mantra to do the volume business and still stay relevant with its big bikes and that is to have a presence in Asian nations like India, China, Indonesia, Vietnam and Thailand. Trouble is it has no bikes less than 650cc of engine displacement and its scooters are way too trick and technologically proficient to be sold at prices prevalent in Asia. The obvious thing then is to set up an Asian base, preferably with a well established bike maker in the region to make a slew of small capacity machines ranging from 125cc to 250cc straddling various segments of the two-wheeler market.

    For this to work India seems to be the right hunting ground and while many will think Hero MotoCorp would have been the logical first choice, the obvious nameplate which can meet BMW’s objectives and turn them into a win-win situation would have to be TVS. The Hosur-based bike, scooter and moped maker (it also makes three-wheeled autorickshaws) is renowned for its engineering and low cost manufacturing skills. If that’s not all, it has a penchant for quality which would help tick many boxes in BMW’s checklist as to what a potential partner might need to sport and the overall prognosis seems pretty clear, BMW needs TVS more than I think TVS needs BMW! One can term this as an inane expression but there is pretty strong substance to this as will be made clear going ahead.

    Source: EXCLUSIVE! BMW to link up with TVS via its Husqvarna brand? Page - 1| Zigwheels.com

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    Last edited by The Monk; 04-03-2013, 02:57 PM. Reason: update
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    • #3
      Amazing! So now we know what TVS can possibly end up doing to get back on track
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      • #4
        seems like my post in other thread makes some sense, with one difference that instead of tvs approaching bmw, its other way round, though with similar intentions.

        Originally posted by princesirohi View Post
        hey guys... all those who say that TVS has nothing much to gain ....plz take a deep breath and think with a broader perspective about overall two-wheeler scene in india (okay you can skip the deep breath part).

        here's what i think-
        the major players in indian two-wheeler market are- bajaj, tvs, hero and yamaha, honda, suzuki. so basically there are two categories- indian companies and japs.

        now what has happened is japs recently recognized the indian market potential and the benifit of making india as a base also probably. so they started breaking there existing tie-ups with indian companies and entered the market on their own. they have too much financial and technical might to take on and dethrone the indian companies.

        now obviously most of the indian companies were not ready for this - they did not have the technical r&d strength to develop better products at a faster pace. so they devised a strategy- bring in a partner, who is not japanese, who does not have global presence like japs, who does not have the intentions of ruling world two wheeler market, who needs money, who is not very keen on competing in non-premium bike category or not very keen on indian market, -- yet is technically capable of taking on japs, will help in developing good products at a faster pace.

        so give him what he wants and he gives us what we want and we will not compete with each other in near future.

        so bajaj went to ktm, hero to erik buell and may be tvs to huqsvarna.

        i may be wrong. but i may be right.
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        • #5
          Good for TVS if they are teaming up with BMW. But at this point this is just pure speculation, there are no confirmed details as to how this partnership is going to shape-up.

          Well people may think that Bajaj went to KTM for technology, but according to Rajiv Bajaj they bought stake in KTM for a preimum brand that can be used as a front for Bajaj in various markets, where Bajaj is not recognized.
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          • #6
            Thats a real good news for all the TVS fans(for me atleast).
            If at all this really materialises we should soon be seeing higher displacement bikes coming out from the TVS stable.

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            • #7
              Erm how do you pronounce Husqvarna

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              • #8
                and in another 20 years our tvs starts acquiring BMW .
                If bajaj is able buy stake in KTM why cant tvs ,at least their motorcycle division.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by RD274 View Post
                  Erm how do you pronounce Husqvarna
                  Originally posted by Giftonsamuel View Post
                  and in another 20 years our tvs starts acquiring BMW .
                  If bajaj is able buy stake in KTM why cant tvs ,at least their motorcycle division.
                  This is why:
                  Originally posted by antz.bin View Post
                  Net Profits(Rs. cr)...Dec '11.......Sep '11.......Jun '11.......Mar '11......Total 2011
                  BAL......................795.19........725.80..... ..711.06.......1,400.39....3632.44
                  HMC.....................613.03.........603.62..... ...557.89........501.61........2276.15
                  TVS.....................056.53.........076.51..... ....058.80........041.68........0223.52
                  Maruti..................205.62.........240.44..... ...549.23.........659.86........1655.15
                  Mahindra...............662.15........737.38....... ..604.88.........606.54........2610.95
                  Tata Motors..........173.67.........102.02.........401. 28........573.34........1250.31

                  Could not compare with HMSI results because it is not a public listed company, they don't need to make their numbers public. But if they have only overtaken TVS by now, BAL is still a long long long way to go.

                  Anyways, Honda shouldn't get all excited already since they have only overtaken TVS, whose yearly Net profit is less than BAL's monthly figure.

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                  • #10
                    But tvs badly needs another partner ,suzuki made an entry with tvs and tvs now wants another brand to make it global(other than asian countries)

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by RD274 View Post
                      Erm how do you pronounce Husqvarna
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                      • #12
                        lol nice ...

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                        • #13
                          So far the news is just a speculation.. an intelligent speculation at best. The Bajaj + KTM alliance has surely rang a lot of bells. Even if the news turns out to be true, the fruits of such an alliance would take at least 5-6 years to materialize.

                          For example, Bajaj and KTM made public its alliance way back in 2007.. and it took a good 5 years (2012) for the KTM 200 Duke to make it public appearance in India.

                          Any way its better late than never (as always the case has been with TVS).




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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by payeng View Post
                            So far the news is just a speculation.. an intelligent speculation at best. The Bajaj + KTM alliance has surely rang a lot of bells. Even if the news turns out to be true, the fruits of such an alliance would take at least 5-6 years to materialize.

                            For example, Bajaj and KTM made public its alliance way back in 2007.. and it took a good 5 years (2012) for the KTM 200 Duke to make it public appearance in India.

                            Any way its better late than never (as always the case has been with TVS).

                            It is not a speculation.

                            I have been knowing about this possible alliance since last 2 years. And about the progress of the partnership/agreement, it has made much progress than what has been reported right now in the media. Win-Win Situation is the talking point here between both the parties!!

                            Refer here...http://www.xbhp.com/talkies/news/122...tml#post480849

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by chicane1879 View Post
                              It is not a speculation.

                              I have been knowing about this possible alliance since last 2 years. And about the progress of the partnership/agreement, it has made much progress than what has been reported right now in the media. Win-Win Situation is the talking point here between both the parties!!

                              Refer here...http://www.xbhp.com/talkies/news/122...tml#post480849
                              Good to know that something concrete is underway. An alliance similar in lines of Bajaj + KTM (maybe with exception of buying stake) seems to be the "Win-Win" situation.


                              P.S: TVS following Bajaj.. again??
                              Which is perfectly ok if the end result if lust worthy.



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