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  • Are 400cc twins the next sports bike trend ?

    Honda, Yamaha, Kawasaki and KTM have all been linked with rumoured twin-cylinder sports bikes in the region of 400cc – so is this where the next boom of sports bike sales will come from ?

    Several sources in Japan have, in recent months, repeatedly 'confirmed' that a CBR400R is in the pipeline, based around a parallel twin motor and providing a halfway-house between the CBR250R and the CBR600RR. Others have also suggested that Yamaha and Kawasaki have similar plans, while Indian reports claim that KTM and Bajaj have been working on a 375cc twin for future sports bikes, Dukes and Pulsars.

    While we've heard credible sources speaking about the Honda, the others are still in a grey area. While KTM has spoken of a small twin in the past, its recent plans for a small sports bike have revolved around the 'Moto3 350' and 'Duke 350' revealed in the firm's future product plan. All the reports about that bike have suggested that a single-cylinder motor would be its likely power source, although a twin, presumably based on the Duke 125/200's architecture, would achieve roughly the right capacity.

    Kawasaki is unique in already having a 400cc twin-cylinder sports bike on sale in some countries, the Ninja 400R. However, that's just a sleeved-down version of the old-model ER6f/Ninja 650. An update, to adopt the latest ER6 styling, would make sense, but whether the bike can match a purpose-made 400cc machine – presumably smaller and lighter than the 650-based Kawasaki – is questionable.

    Why the demand for such bikes? In the tough economy, sports bikes aren't shifting fast so smaller and, crucially, cheaper machines could be a partial answer. Add the fact that the motorcycle licence system in Europe is changing (from 19 January in the UK) to add 47bhp limit on the new 'A2' licence level. With direct access to full-power 'Category A' bikes having a minimum age of 24, a potentially large number of new riders could end up needing 47bhp machines for a significant time (two years experience on them being the only way to get a full licence before the age of 24), which would be roughly in line with the performance of these speculative 400cc models.


    Source: Are 400cc twins the next sports bike trend? - Motorcycle news: New bikes - Visordown
    Last edited by antz.bin; 07-28-2012, 04:19 PM.

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    • #3
      Affordability and power!

      Nice info. This should hit the "sweet-spot" of most bikers in developing countries. It is bound to be cheaper than the 600s (currently costing more than 5 lacs or equivalent in many countries) but more powerful than the current performance 250s.

      And lets not forget, the next boom for medium to high capacity bikes will be in developing economies! Manufacturers will surely focus their effort on such bikes.

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      • #4
        Guys, a Ninja 400 is a sleeved down version of 650R. Hence it weighs around 200+ kgs. Would you call it acceptable weight for a 400cc when even 1000cc nakeds are around 210 kgs? Ninja 400R seriously needs an upgrade, now that even 650 got one.

        I doubt if the Duke 350-390~ would be a twin cylinder because somehow it won't fit in the international range. Think about it. Duke 690 = single.


        But nonetheless, I agree with the topic. 400cc is something you can sell to both the developed and the developing countries, even if they're perceived differently segment-wise.
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        • #5
          400cc single,twin and Four in line engine have come and gone ,in many models and manufacturer,over the years.....so it is with the 350cc segment...only 250cc now classified as the beginner's bike and the 600~650cc engines are popular,showing a clear market driven preference for higher engine power,after the 250cc.The motocross of course had always remained open in this,and we do get to see many different engine combinations .
          KTM is slated to bring in their 375 single sometime next year...and hope other manufacturers follow suit....maybe a CBR 400 RR four cylinder,Four valves per cylinder DOHC with PGMFi....at 3.5 L.....guess I am too greedy ...
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          • #6
            Originally posted by Samarth 619 View Post
            Would you call it acceptable weight for a 400cc when even 1000cc nakeds are around 210 kgs?
            Totally agree with You, 200kg for a 400cc? Ducati Panigale 1199 weighs just 160, which is lighter than the cbr250r, so I guess this is the thing which distinguishes Italians from Japs.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Ri$hi View Post
              Totally agree with You, 200kg for a 400cc? Ducati Panigale 1199 weighs just 160, which is lighter than the cbr250r, so I guess this is the thing which distinguishes Italians from Japs.
              Oh man!!! I didn't know this, it is only 160 kg only 10 kg more to my hunk (150cc).., Can somebody let me know how this goes possible what they using in what kind of metal parts...
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              • #8
                I guess if the UK norms catch on with other countries as well then we will surely be flooded with 350-400 CC bikes but again in EU Countries there is a trend to buy a bigger bike and get it restricted to the desired BHP limitations.

                We can only keep our fingers crossed as KTM and Bajaj have already confirmed 350-375 Single cylinder bikes for next year, lets hope other manufactures follow suit.

                Some of the manufacturers might also be tempted to wait and watch the response for these mini super bikes before plunging into this new seagment

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Ri$hi View Post
                  Totally agree with You, 200kg for a 400cc? Ducati Panigale 1199 weighs just 160, which is lighter than the cbr250r, so I guess this is the thing which distinguishes Italians from Japs.
                  +1...
                  OT: In cars, its just the other way round, Italian hatchbacks weighs more than Jap Sedans ;-)...

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                  • #10
                    A top super sport machine is built with best possible tech. carbon fiber and other stronger but lighter parts. lighter frame and so on. But these comes at a price.

                    Not just Italians almost all super-sport bikes are less than 200kg.that's why Ninja 650R is way more heavier than ZX 10 R.

                    But with the new trend (read Duke 200) we can demand lighter machines at affordable price. ( Pulsars still need to be lighter in my opinion)
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                    • #11
                      if this news comes true, it will be a really nice thing.
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                      • #12
                        400cc inline 4s , or bring back 250rr man..i would kill for those screamers...
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                        • #13
                          I hope the news is true.
                          And people here ranting about 400cc twins being too heavy, grow up FFS!

                          The 400cc Twins are definitely going to be better than the bikes we ride.

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                          • #14
                            The recent norms where European cars will be allowed to bring as CBU at just 10% duty, can be a game changer if the same gets implemnted to bikes also and very soon we can see 400 at lesser costs.

                            Now here the Japs may not get the advantage unless they have local manufacturing units in EU.

                            So all we have to do is wait and watch which manufacturer from EU comes with their big bike offerings either 400, 600 or some else.
                            http://articles.economictimes.indiat...import-tariffs currently only for cars, but there is a hope for bikes too

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