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**The Monk** · 02-05-2013, 01:04 PM

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**antz.bin** · 02-05-2013, 06:54 PM

Originally posted by Livemint.com

Triumph may import its bikes from Thailand

Mumbai: Triumph Motorcycles Ltd, the UK’s largest bike maker, may import motorcycles from its Thailand factory since selling locally-assembled bikes in India may not be viable given the low volumes, three people with the knowledge of the matter said, requesting anonymity.
“The initial study done by the company revealed the volumes are not good enough to justify establishing an assembly operation,” said one of the people. “The proposed facility (Triumph’s factory near Bangalore) will start operation only in 2015.”.
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Triumph may also take advantage of the reduced duty structure and sell some of the imported bikes from Thailand at a competitive rate, said the second person cited above.
Triumph has three divisions in Chonburi, Thailand, to manufacture motorcycle components, for wet painting and assembly and for making high pressure die-casting and machining parts, according to company’s website. Thailand is also the only country outside the UK where Triumph has a factory.
India attracts an import duty of 60% on completely built vehicles, 30% on semi-knocked down and 10% on completely knocked down units.
One of the provisions in the India-ASEAN (Association of South East Asian Nation, which includes Thailand, Malaysia, the Philippines, among other countries) free trade agreement, signed in August 2009, allows manufacturers to import bikes of certain cylinder capacities at a concessional duty.
The duty has been progressively reduced since. According to information available on the commerce ministry website, “motorcycles with reciprocating internal combustion piston engine of a cylinder capacity exceeding 250cc but not exceeding 500cc” will attract a 20% duty with effect from 1 January 2013, while those with an engine capacity exceeding 800cc will pay a duty of 5%. The duty on 800cc bikes (and above) will be zero by 31 December 2013.
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Priced between Rs.5.5 lakh and Rs.22 lakh, Triumph models compete with motorcycles from companies such as Harley-Davidson Inc, Ducati and BMW Motorrad. While some of Harley’s models in India are locally assembled, BMW and Ducati have been selling imported units.

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**princesirohi** · 02-06-2013, 01:30 AM

^^ i too think that this news is more reliable, it makes sense to first launch and sell imported bikes and test the waters, rather than jumping in big time with factory and manufacturing set-up and later realizing that it is not profitable. i think it is still little bit difficult for a company to survive in india just by selling 250CC bikes. the bread and butter volume sales in india comes from upto 1 lakh price bracket bikes.......

otherwise also, it is not possible to first design a bike and then setup a factory then launch a bike, test it and start selling it in 1 year.. so 2014 is a bit difficult for made in india plans.

**dishayu** · 02-06-2013, 04:16 PM

So, in short, are we getting a 7 Lakh Daytona 675 or not? :|

**abhimanyu31** · 02-06-2013, 06:43 PM

^^^ the same story has been carried by www.indiacarsbikes.in. It has been officially denied by Triumph on their Facebook page.

**icemang** · 02-06-2013, 06:45 PM

The duty on 800cc bikes (and above) will be zero by 31 December 2013.

WHERE IS THE BONNEVILLE

**The Monk** · 02-06-2013, 06:45 PM

Originally posted by abhimanyu31 View Post

^^^ the same story has been carried by www.indiacarsbikes.in. It has been officially denied by Triumph on their Facebook page.

What has been denied? That their are planning a 250cc twin or that they are planning to get their bikes in through Thailand?

**abhimanyu31** · 02-06-2013, 06:49 PM

Originally posted by The Monk View Post

What has been denied? That their are planning a 250cc twin or that they are planning to get their bikes in through Thailand?

The recent story about them abandoning assembly plans in India.

**The One** · 05-09-2013, 05:25 PM

re: Triumph Will Launch 250cc Twin Cylinder Bike In India: xBhp News

@icemang: The duty on 800cc bikes (and above) will be zero by 31 December 2013

is that true? what's the source of this heartwarming news?

I feel even if Triumph plans to launch a quarter litre capacity bike, they should keep it in the range of 300-350 cc twin. 250 is just too meagre now a days. And if icemang's news is anything to go by, even the government is teasing us to buy bigger bikes

. I would sell my car to get the Speed Triple

**dishayu** · 05-09-2013, 05:54 PM

re: Triumph Will Launch 250cc Twin Cylinder Bike In India: xBhp News

Originally posted by The One View Post

@icemang: The duty on 800cc bikes (and above) will be zero by 31 December 2013

is that true? what's the source of this heartwarming news?

I feel even if Triumph plans to launch a quarter litre capacity bike, they should keep it in the range of 300-350 cc twin. 250 is just too meagre now a days. And if icemang's news is anything to go by, even the government is teasing us to buy bigger bikes

. I would sell my car to get the Speed Triple

As much as i want it to be true, the ground reality is that it is not realistically happening in the next 10 years. Indian government has a very different perception of "luxury goods", to go through with this.

If at all this dream comes true, 2014 will see me aboard a CBR1000RR for sure.

**Boom S** · 05-09-2013, 07:53 PM

re: Triumph Will Launch 250cc Twin Cylinder Bike In India: xBhp News

Originally posted by dishayu View Post

As much as i want it to be true, the ground reality is that it is not realistically happening in the next 10 years. Indian government has a very different perception of "luxury goods", to go through with this.

If at all this dream comes true, 2014 will see me aboard a CBR1000RR for sure.

it's not about luxury goods, it's about promoting local industry. do you think a single bike would be made in India if we allowed duty free imports from abroad ?

**riot** · 05-10-2013, 12:49 AM

re: Triumph Will Launch 250cc Twin Cylinder Bike In India: xBhp News

Duty is actually a good thing. It encourages manufacturers to erect plants here and in return we get more jobs and income.
Zero duty on imports will be plain stupidity. These are luxury goods and tax is justified.

**dishayu** · 05-10-2013, 02:53 PM

re: Triumph Will Launch 250cc Twin Cylinder Bike In India: xBhp News

Originally posted by Boom S View Post

it's not about luxury goods, it's about promoting local industry. do you think a single bike would be made in India if we allowed duty free imports from abroad ?

Yes, India would still be one of the preferred hubs for making cheap bikes. This applies to the scale of both underdeveloped countried (discover and such) and developed countried (duke 390 etc). For expensive bikes, they will continue to be made in developed countries where they hire real engineers who can do high quality work (As opposed to an alarming number of paper engineers here, who have a degree but no knowledge/skills). Achieveing the same quality in India is questionable and uncertain, IMO.

Originally posted by riot View Post

Duty is actually a good thing. It encourages manufacturers to erect plants here and in return we get more jobs and income.
Zero duty on imports will be plain stupidity. These are luxury goods and tax is justified.

And I have been making this correction on xbhp for a while now and i will do so again. There is difference between "encouraging" and "forcing/arm-twisting". We have historically had stupidly high duties and we all know very well how "encouraged" manufacturers are to set up plants in India. How many superbike/supercar maufacuring plants have you seen being set-up till date? I would say, if anything, duties are downright discouraging to manufacturers to test Indian waters.

And would you care to explain the reasoning behind why zero duties are stupidity?
To present my side, let's consider the flipside... let's say the government allows zero duty imports, even on a small volume (5000 bikes per year) to every manufacturer, they will have a real chance to test out market potential and would actually be encouraged to setup plants here if the critical volume is met. Right now, it's a vicious cycle for the manufacurers. They don't know how much the natural demand is... the demand they know of now, is stifled by financial reasons. People can't buy (absurdly) high priced bikes and manufactureres won't know how the market would respond if the prices were at reasonable levels or below because there is not way for them to price these bikes at a reasonable price points because of the stupid duties.

The high duties are downright horrible in long term... Indian government makes an insignificant amount of money from the < 1000 imports per year and all it is doing is clobbering the interests of the 2 parties (maufacturers and prospective buyers) who want to do business. Something that any government should ideally have no involvement in.

**The One** · 05-10-2013, 04:31 PM

re: Triumph Will Launch 250cc Twin Cylinder Bike In India: xBhp News

I too agree with all the reasons given by Boom S, Riot and Dishayu along with the fact that the current structure/amount of duties on sportbikes are downright ridiculous. Imagine the jobs and money that will grace our economy if every premium bike manufacturer sets plants, corporate offices in India. But it's stupid to expect all this right now and all we can do is hope. We are not a third world for nothing

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Anyways, is Triumph really serious in coming to India? Speculations have been on for a long time now (maybe they don't know we already have Aston Martins & Jaguars here

) and I don't care when they bring in the 250 while they have legends like Street/Speed triple, daytona and Bonneville in their arsenal. Also, there pricing seems to be reasonable when compared to other big players (from what I have read over internet and sport articles)

**Boom S** · 05-10-2013, 06:23 PM

re: Triumph Will Launch 250cc Twin Cylinder Bike In India: xBhp News

Originally posted by The One View Post

I too agree with all the reasons given by Boom S, Riot and Dishayu along with the fact that the current structure/amount of duties on sportbikes are downright ridiculous. Imagine the jobs and money that will grace our economy if every premium bike manufacturer sets plants, corporate offices in India. But it's stupid to expect all this right now and all we can do is hope. We are not a third world for nothing

..

Anyways, is Triumph really serious in coming to India? Speculations have been on for a long time now (maybe they don't know we already have Aston Martins & Jaguars here

) and I don't care when they bring in the 250 while they have legends like Street/Speed triple, daytona and Bonneville in their arsenal. Also, there pricing seems to be reasonable when compared to other big players (from what I have read over internet and sport articles)

[MENTION=45496]The One[/MENTION], the rates might seem ridiculous but at the end of the day they are good for the avg rider. the duty makes it unviable for the premium bike makers to import bikes to India but viable to manufacture it here. that triumph is setting up shop here is a 'triumph' (pun intended) of this policy.

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