re: Family in SUV attacked by bikers: xBhp News

News Approved.

Such articles (as the one quoted above) are giving inaccurate information...
Firstly, it was no "Gang" as mentioned above... It was a Biker rally in New York city, an annual event. And after this news, "maybe" this rally is banned now... (can't confirm this piece of news).

The SUV driver's identity is revealed, he's a family man, was travelling with his wife, plus his kid is just 5 months old... Most people on the internet are blaming the bikers, and supporting the SUV driver, referring to his move as the one for "self defence".

After this video ended, the bikers attacked the SUV guy, not his family. The SUV guy sustained injuries on head, torso, etc. Nobody was killed, but one biker (hurt at the starting of the video) is apparently in coma.
Other info might be right.

Please read the below link for more accurate information:

Shocking video of Range Rover crashing through bikers after they surround the vehicle during annual street ride | Mail Online


My general opinion (not related to this case) is that one can't kill people, who are just threatening or appearing so. For once, if immature people try to bully you, you should call the cops first and try to ensure your safety... If you're in a car, you must lock the doors first. And try judging whether they will actually damage you, or they just want to talk.
Think about it: if you had a gun hidden in your jeans, and some people are threatening you (not yet attacked, just threatening or damaging your belongings), will you just open fire to kill?? Won't you wait for some attack actually pointed at you, instead of your belongings?


Again Members, I suggest you all not to make judgments as this matter could be in court. Please keep the discussion sane.

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I made some points in another thread about this incident and unfortunately it was deleted there and I too forget most of them, so let me just tell my points, just a few over this incident,
1. It's not just the bikers or the driver's fault, it's both's fault. . . It's not like that if someone disturbs you, you go kill them or leave them entirely throughout their lifetime in a state where one cannot walk. . .
2. While going with family, please be patient, I do sometimes get frustrated when I come to a place where it's filled with traffic as I am normally adjusted to less traffic roads, but that doesn't mean that I go ramming everyone in front of me, that's not how it should be. . .
3. For the bikers, please maintain lane discipline, I make sure that whenever I go to rides with groups, I make everyone to follow lane discipline, allow one rider to go and the rest follow him, in this way they don't disturb the traffic and neither other's disturbs you, but unfortunately many don't listen these stuffs and zoom wherever they want on the streets, not even thinking of what it's gonna happen for the other people. . .
4. Seriously if I was there, I would had also done the same thing (apologise from my side if you think I'm wrong). . . Tell me what would you do when you see this accident happening to your friend, in front of your eyes and you have the potential to catch him with your superbike, will you still sit there and call up the cops and make them to come there, investigate, go searching, blah blah blah or do you go after that guy, catch him and make sure he pays for what he has done. . ?
5. What will you do when you chase and get hold of the culprit. . ? In that anger and the feeling you'll be having, will you keep him just like that and call up the cops. . ? No ways, I think what the bikers did was right but again I hadn't been there to comment much or to see who is right and who is wrong, just my opinion, no offence. . .
6. All the bikers should had been there in the spot when the cops arrived and hand him over to the cops and not run away, which they have done over here. . .

Hope these kind of stuffs ends cos the more these kind of things happen, the badder the name we Bikers have in the Society. . .

Cheers!!!

re: Family in SUV attacked by bikers: xBhp News

The biker at the start of the video allegedly braked in front of the SUV and was hit by the SUV. It was the bikers fault there. Later they tried to smash the window and slashed the tyres of the SUV resulting in a panic and fearful situation for the SUV driver. The driver simply couldn't sit in the vehicle with his family waiting for the cops to arrive while the bikers smashed his windows endangering his and his families life. Should he wait for them to beat him or harm his family before taking off from the place? Anybody would have done the same thing. And mind you it was not a 'bikers' group but rather hooligans. You can tell this by the way they were cutting lanes and riding recklessly all over the place. The situation would be different if it was a group of disciplined bikers riding in a formation in a single line. What do you think might have happened when the driver by mistakenly knocked the first rider? They were in a group and they did exactly what most of the people do in groups. Prove your might, Pick up a fight and thrash the opponent as he is outnumbered. The SUV driver would not have done this if the bikers in the first place would have asked him to stop and had called the police. You cannot expect a person to sit calmly when he is being attacked by a large group of people and you are with your family.

I myself am a biker and also ride in groups but still I do not support the actions of the bikers in the video.

re: Family in SUV attacked by bikers: xBhp News

^^^ and an SUV to brake infront of it.

re: Family in SUV attacked by bikers: xBhp News

Both of them are at fault but the driver went a step ahead and showed his psychic intentions

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re: Family in SUV attacked by bikers: xBhp News

Sorry to interrupt here but do you know that the Bikers thrashed his entire family, did they harm his wife or the kid which was in the car. . ? No they just went over the driver and left everyone like that. . . As said when you face these kind of situations you should try to handle things in a silent way and speak and not ram people costing their lives. . . BTW they are not street holligans, it was a bike rally that was being held and they are all well armed with proper gears, only thing was that they were not maintaining lane discipline and they were not reckless riders who ride without gears and show off in the streets. . .

Cheers!!!

re: Family in SUV attacked by bikers: xBhp News

very sad incident...

re: Family in SUV attacked by bikers: xBhp News

The SUV driver with his family is sitting with the doors locked surrounded with a huge group with few smashing the windows and slashing the tires, so you expect them to talk to the driver in a "silent way" once they complete smashing his windows? Wouldnt you feel threatened and your family's safety compromised in such a situation?
If you watch the video(i know you have) , there are many who are not wearing proper riding gears, you can even see a couple at 2:41 wearing a merely 'cap' styled helmet, i wouldn't even call it a helmet. And these are such high powered bikes not the mere 150-200cc bikes found in India.
I am not saying that the driver ramming his SUV in the bikes was correct but it was a reaction created by the way the bikers were approaching him. On the other hand, if the bikers would have simply 'knocked' on the window and asked him to come out vehicle, if the driver was reluctant to come out they should have stopped the vehicle and called the cops rather than directly attacking him. Then it would have been a different scenario and the driver would not panic and flee off from the scene ramming everyone in the front.

re: Family in SUV attacked by bikers: xBhp News

Are you kidding me??? Did you see the video properly?????? These guys were all around on the roads!! One of them suddenly slowed down in front of the SUV and thus the collision happened. And when you are surrounded by not 15, not 20 but 50+ bikers and all are out for your blood and you have your child and wife with you every single living being on earth will do what the driver did !!

This is EXACTLY the reason why when we do a large group ride, we urge the participants to do a 2 lane riding and sometimes only 1 lane riding so that for your pleasure you are not causing discomfort to others!!

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Let me tell you then that you have absolutely no idea then!! Group ride is NOT about riding ALL OVER available space on a busy road. It's about riding in formation.


Silent way??????????? Yes, next time you get surrounded by just a dozen agitated *********** and try explaining them in the "silent way".

re: Family in SUV attacked by bikers: xBhp News

Bro I have made a comment in the first itself and made it in point wise for better understanding, hope you read that which will solve it. . . BTW I don't drive, I just ride and speaking about me getting into this kind of situation, I'm very short tempered, it's either I'll try to make them speak or if they provoke me then that'll be a different game, I might get beatings from all but at least I will be hitting them back (sorry if felt rude). . . And as I said earlier, it's not just the biker's faults but the driver's as well. . . Hope my first comment in this thread will make it better understanding, sorry again. . .

Cheers!!!

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As a general opinion, it's always easy to to pass a judgement about such incidents and looking at a video. While we type here sitting in the comfort and safety of our homes and offices, we are in a different situation altogether (physically and mentally) and can think "more" rationally on how either parties should have reacted. It was different for guys who were actually going through all this.

Such situations always lead to a spontaneous reaction from anyone who feel threatened. Most times, it's a matter of showing patience for few seconds to try and understand the situation, and at that, it's actually a matter of taking a risk with your safety. Had the guy in the SUV was alone, we would be reacting in a different manner right now even if his actions were still the same. However, he had his wife and a baby with him. In this situation, a man will always naturally worry about the safety and integrity of his loved ones more than himself and that can overpower his ability to be patient, especially when surrounded by a group. Even the thought of your loved ones being in physical threat is enough to trigger emotional response. You and I can always argue if it was right or wrong when it's all over especially when it didn't happen to us.

Many question are left unanswered in a situation like this:

1. When you actually are in the heat of the moment (especially when you are a minority, the SUV guy and his family), do you have time to try and judge if the larger group is ready for a friendly talk and negotiation?

2. Even when you are a minority and being in an all boys group is a different thing against a bigger group, you can somehow take the beating if the situation actually leads to that. But if you are a minority and have your wife and a kid as your group, it's a different game altogether. When your family is involved, it's not just about ensuring your family's safety more than yourself's, it's also about the feeling of a guilt that will haunt you if something happens to your loved ones and you are unable to do anything about it.

3. How would you know that your female companion will stay safe (even from verbal abuses) against a larger group?

4. Are we sure of all the facts about this said incident? If one of the bikers first stopped abruptly in front of the SUV leading to the contact, wasn't it the responsibility of the biker group to first understand what really happened before they started to damage the SUV? Should the car driver still try and understand that he could talk them out especially when he had already started to fear about his wife's and kid's safety?

Yes, it was wrong of him drive through the biker group hitting the others. But wasn't he forced to to take such an aggressive action?

It's always easy to say that one in minority should have called police if he/she was feeling threatened. Yes, it's true and agreeable. But a normal person who is not used to situations like these will naturally be over powered by the feeling of being scared for his life instead of reacting rationally and patiently. Moreover, we'll never know sitting here like this if the person actually had enough time to call.

In any which way you look at it, I believe, it's always a primary responsibility of the larger group to make the smaller group believe that they are not being threatened and are safe because the smaller group is simply not in the position to threaten the larger group at least physically (threatening with the name of police is a different matter). Especially, when there are ladies and children involved, it makes the whole group more vulnerable. If the other group is really consisting of "gentlemen", they must make them believe that they are not there to hurt them in any way. We cannot expect the family man to take the charge and wait to see what the other group is going to do, again, especially when surrounded.

Road rage is at an all time high, not just in India, around the world. I guess, the whole point is, when two parties are involved in such a situation, the one which turns out to be more powerful and dominating should take the lead and make sure that the other party doesn't feel threatened and that the whole situation can be taken care of relatively peacefully. Ofcourse, it depends, to a large extent, on what level of damage has already been caused!

Even what I say isn't easy to do. But it's definitely one way to avoid the sad consequences of a road rage. If you are stronger, as an individual or as a group, then make the others feel secure in a situation like this. It will be appreciated.

re: Family in SUV attacked by bikers: xBhp News


Please make me remember not to mess up with your friends while you are not looking...coz no matter whose fault it would be.....I am sure I am going to be thrashed up by you based on your sudden instinct.

And yea when you see a person with wife and kids you don't thrash them in front of them.

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No no you got me wrong, if it's that kind of stuff, I go there first and cool them down, at least there will be one of this kind of guy in that rally, not all are angry okay. . . Coming to the point, if at all if someone just rams on our rides and our fellow members then it's definitely chasing time and the rest is imaginable . . .

PS: I always try to make stuffs in a calm way, but once I'm out of my minds, then that game changes, may be both including my teammates will get the beatings if I find fault in either of them. . .

Cheers!!!

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I don't know/don't want to answer all other questions but this particular question, mann if at all I end up in a situation like this and someone does like as you said in the above sentence, no matter if they send me to hospital or what, I am going to get back, search each and everyone and make them pay for that, the worst way they can even imagine of. . .

BTW why to discuss about this when we actually know that the bikers left the family unharmed and just went against the person driving the car, . . Okay now let's all agree that the driver did the correct thing, who's responsible for that guy who's in the bed in the hospital and who cannot walk for his lifetime. . ? Who's gonna care for him. . . As I made my statements earlier, there is wrong from both's end but just because you feel threatened, . . If you think that the SUV guy is right then I feel what the bikers did is also right, thrashing him up but what I felt was wrong from the bikers side is fleeing after they hit him, it's more like hit and run, they should had called up the cops and handed him over to them instead of fleeing from the scene, including leaving their fellow biker on the road. . .

One thing you are right about, we haven't been there or seen it in live, but we have video and that's all we have and we are giving our personal views over here. . .

PS: Speaking the moderator's words again, let's keep it sane. . .

Cheers!!!

re: Family in SUV attacked by bikers: xBhp News

the bottom line is if you are with family/females/childrens and get into such situations... try to escape as quickly as possible and if you are still being chased, try to stop at a police station, if you can find one.