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  • A revised Honda Fireblade with more power on the cards?

    We might very well witness the unveiling of a heavily revised Honda CBR1000RR Fireblade at EICMA in November. This move, if made might be the result of the strong criticism for the outgoing Honda Fireblade from the racers and riders alike.

    Honda might have gone back to the drawing boards to cater to and eliminate the weaknesses of the existing Fireblade with at least 10 bhp of power increase and redesigned fairing. These two issues plagued the current Fireblade since its launch. It was already down on power against the competitors churning out 187 bhp at the crank which is a considerable gap in the superbiking world. Honda have already admitted that more power was easily available on the same engine. An increase in power could be easily achieved without having to change the engine architecture.



    At the current machine’s unveiling in 2016, the Blade’s project leader Masatoshi Sato said: "We could eaily give the bike 200bhp; we could give it 300bhp if we wanted, but we think it’s the lack of weight people want to feel more."

    Also, the racing teams have struggled with the aerodynamics of the current Fireblade. Because of this the racers have been dealing with issues like lesser top speed and front-end grip in high speed corners among others. The new fairing design is said to be redesigned around the nose with the ram-air scoop moved closer to the fairing’s centre of pressure. This is a measure to prevent the riders from wind and help prevent front end lift.



    These improvements may bring along with them an increase in price. The SP2 model will supposedly have a full carbon-fibre fairing among other changes that will keep the weight of the motorcycle around 185 kgs. This could cause a significant bump in price but if the SP2 models comes out with an increase in power and reduction in weight, it might put the new Fireblade right at the top of the litre-class scene. Though there is no confirmation from Honda’s end regarding any new models.

    A spokesperson for Honda said: "We refuse to comment on any possible new models."

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  • #2
    Re: A revised Honda Fireblade with more power on the cards?

    Hell hath no fury like Honda scorned!

    Awaiting impatiently.
    My dreambike!

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    • #3
      Re: A revised Honda Fireblade with more power on the cards?

      Hope they fix the gearbox.

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      • #4
        Re: A revised Honda Fireblade with more power on the cards?

        Hope they maintain the midrange punch this engine is known for.

        I don't understand why everything has to be changed because "others are doing it". Instead of trying to make a Honda a Kawasaki, why not purchase Kawasaki instead?
        Fairing feedback is right, but lack of power?

        Sure if they would make 130 bhp on crank for a liter class, I would complain, but even 170 bhp is enough for the road, and casual trackdays.


        My opinion is, let a Honda remain a Honda. If you're complaining, you're in the wrong showroom.


        In realistic terms I would expect some tit-bits from the senior SP2, and maybe a little focus on weight saving (which I always appreciate no matter which segment or purpose).
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        Brotherhood, Rules, Freedom. Xbhp.
        Indian riding = Alertness, Anticipation and Adjustment.

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          Re: A revised Honda Fireblade with more power on the cards?

          Originally posted by Samarth 619 View Post

          My opinion is, let a Honda remain a Honda. If you're complaining, you're in the wrong showroom.


          I'm pretty sure the issue is that noone is in the showroom. This has to be the worst selling Fireblade of all time.

          There is literally 0 buzz about it.

          Even the 1000rr.net has a pretty desolate appearance about the 2017 models.

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            Re: A revised Honda Fireblade with more power on the cards?

            Originally posted by HyperRetard View Post
            I'm pretty sure the issue is that noone is in the showroom. This has to be the worst selling Fireblade of all time.

            There is literally 0 buzz about it.

            Even the 1000rr.net has a pretty desolate appearance about the 2017 models.
            I like how people confidently dish out sweeping statements based only on internet surfing. Having owned no superbike at all. Maybe just had a test ride for few kms.

            Which showrooms are packed with customers for litre bikes? (except maybe Kawasaki)

            The world economy is in doldrums. The young generation is not buying bikes like before. The new gen is probably the poorest generation of all times. Just read that on internet. :P

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              Re: A revised Honda Fireblade with more power on the cards?

              Originally posted by nitrosatya View Post
              I like how people confidently dish out sweeping statements based only on internet surfing. Having owned no superbike at all. Maybe just had a test ride for few kms.

              Which showrooms are packed with customers for litre bikes? (except maybe Kawasaki)

              The world economy is in doldrums. The young generation is not buying bikes like before. The new gen is probably the poorest generation of all times. Just read that on internet. :P
              TIL having owned a superbike makes you an expert on every single superbike on the planet.

              Yes, because 1000rr.net is an indain forum.

              And yes, every mfg makes litre bikes for the Indian market, where they will be lucky to sell 2 dozen bikes in a year.

              The 2017 'Blade is a disappointment. Accept it and move on.
              Will Indian treat us to the FTR1200, Victory closing, the Price wasn't right, and Honda's new Blade struggles


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                Re: A revised Honda Fireblade with more power on the cards?

                Originally posted by HyperRetard View Post
                TIL having owned a superbike makes you an expert on every single superbike on the planet.

                Yes, because 1000rr.net is an indain forum.

                And yes, every mfg makes litre bikes for the Indian market, where they will be lucky to sell 2 dozen bikes in a year.

                The 2017 'Blade is a disappointment. Accept it and move on.
                Will Indian treat us to the FTR1200, Victory closing, the Price wasn't right, and Honda's new Blade struggles


                https://www.motorsport.com/wsbk/news...877633/877633/
                Guys, chill.

                HR, see the links you mentioned only prove that CBR 1000RR is not the race engine we dream of. I would agree with you if that's your only point..
                You showed some links about Wsbk, while life in reality is on the roads for the majority of us.

                On every site, there are so called experts who lash out at anything they find different. CBR is not an exception. These experts have their own opinions of what a bike should be... Now, some guys are paranoid if a litre class doesn't make 200 bhp.

                Many a bikers imagine a Superbike, which can also do touring, commuting, etc. and even trackdays reasonably well.. CBR 1000RR fits the bill perfectly.


                So, let's talk streetbike sales to know public opinion, shall we?
                While I don't have exact figures, I have at least one article that claims that CBR 2017 actually sold acceptably well in UK...
                Best sellers during 2017 included a selection of 125s – the Yamaha R125, Honda CBR125 and Suzuki GSX-R125 all reached the top of the charts – while the Fireblade, S1000RR and CBR650F also took turns at the top spot during the year.
                Source: https://www.bennetts.co.uk/bikesocia...s_figures_2017


                And you're right about the Indian customers, but I think the UK customers majorly know what they're purchasing... Yes, its gearbox has false neutrals, some torque management issue if you change tyre or sprocket sizes, but they have some positive reasons too, right?


                Anyhow, finally its good to know that we're getting a new one, but it could be great if they maintain their USP.
                Last edited by Samarth 619; 08-16-2018, 10:12 PM.
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                Brotherhood, Rules, Freedom. Xbhp.
                Indian riding = Alertness, Anticipation and Adjustment.

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                  Re: A revised Honda Fireblade with more power on the cards?

                  Originally posted by Samarth 619 View Post
                  Guys, chill.

                  Many a bikers imagine a Superbike, which can also do touring, commuting, etc. and even trackdays reasonably well.. CBR 1000RR fits the bill perfectly.

                  So, let's talk streetbike sales to know public opinion, shall we?
                  While I don't have exact figures, I have at least one article that claims that CBR 2017 actually sold acceptably well in UK...

                  Anyhow, finally its good to know that we're getting a new one, but it could be great if they maintain their USP.
                  I am with you on this one. Not every bike of a segment needs to chase the same goal. For example, 2009-2-15 R1 was known to be a good road bike, however Yamaha chose to make the next one track focused which is fair. Fireblade has always known to be the gentlemans litre class and I would love for Honda to keep it that way too.

                  Is it because the modern buyer wants too much from their motorcycles? or maybe we want everything from 1 bike that most manufacturers are trying to chase the same goals at the cost of some differentiating factor. Is it also about the bragging rights? Is it also to impress the reviewers and editors who are dependent on spec sheets a lot to pass on judgement considering 1-2 days on a bike can never tell the whole story? Maybe every manufacturer wants their bikes to appeal to maximum number of people rather than a certain type of people.

                  It is getting complicated and very competitive and Internet some times does not help.

                  Also from whatever I read and saw, even with mixed reviews I think the current Blade is doing acceptably well in sales. 1 thing most reviewers don't talk mostly is ease of ownership which Honda is know for and that is what gets them a lot of customers.

                  CHEERS!!

                  Rachit
                  Rachit K Dogra

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