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  • Tech Jarg: Countersteering and the Vanishing point

    Quite a few ppl must have heard about "counter steering" ,who does it and what does it do?

    To answer the second one first, all of us riding bikes do it, knowingly or unknowingly.. without counter steering it would be next to impossible to steer a motorbike as quick as is required ..

    next time ur riding try to steer the Bike into a turn with minimal effort from the handle, all the turning done by shifting the body weight .. dont fall off ..kk..not easy is it..?

    This is where counter steering comes in :Practical example, well take a left hand turn.. as you are approaching the left hander give handle bar on the inside of the turn a slight push (ie. if ur turning left give the left handle bar a push forward).. what you are doing in effect is turning the handle to the right...agreed?...But what happens next? the bike starts going left. Try the same for a right hander but this time give a slight push on the right handle bar.

    The harder u push the bars the more quickly the bike turns in the opposite direction.


    one more thing to try( for a left hander) is to push the left bar and pull the right bar , this has an even greater effect of counter steering.opposite goes for a right hander.

    Keeping this in mind approach a sharp left hander with more speed than you normally would and just as u see the apex counter steer into the turn really sharply ie push the bar with a bit more force.
    you might be surprised at the out come .

    Counter steering is also really help in a fast sweeping corner where if u need to adjust ur line just give the bars a push in the direction oposite to where u want to go. So in a fast left hander if u think ur going too tight give the right bar a slight push and the bike will stand up a bit . problem solved..

    Another thing should be said at this point is that counter steering is only really effective once ur speed crosses the 20- 25kmph mark.



    As I said before this is not some thing new you've learnt you do it everyday when u are riding but having a better understanding of it will help you ride much faster[}] and safer.


    Another major riding techique is the vanishing point principle.vanishing point is that point in the road ahead of you where the left and right curbs of the corner meet creating an illusion that the road vanishes ahead.

    Simply put, always look where you want to be on the road rather than where u are actually going.. Might sound stupid but as a case in point take any picture of Rossi going around a bend, his head is always turned around and looking for the exit of the corner or the next corner if thats feasible.But thats on a race track. It's not much dfferent on the road, always try to look around the corner( find the exit) you are going around .
    youll find that you can brake later and accelerate out of the corner much earlier if you already know how the corner is. (tight or opening up).

    Another example of looking where u want to be .Imagine this scenario, uve gone in too hot for a corner and are starting to drift to the outside ,trees on the side fast approaching ,,if there is the minutest chance that you can avoid being a part of the scenery, this is it, dont look at the trees or wht ever is on the side of the road its friggin difficult but try to tear ur eyes from the impending disaster and look where youd rather be on the road and steer accordingly.

    If on the other hand you keep on looking at the tree. thats where you will end up.[B)]



    Also dont think I need to say this but.. still.. try out whtever ive said here in low or no traffic area's.

    Hope I was clear enough +ve feedback welcome [] ...
    \'96 Black Yamaha RX100,
    \'99 Black Kawasaki GPX250

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  • #2
    Cool stuff dude

    Have added this in this thread

    INFO: A Guide On Technical Jargons


    Keep up the good work
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    • #3
      hey qquite gr8 facts good one
      Heaven doesn't wants me and hells afraid ill take over.

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      • #4
        Man ! You sound like a real racer. We don't have guys like you up here in Jaipur.
        I have been watching Motogp, SBK and F1 a few yrs now but it's this kind of stuff that matters.
        Are you a Pro and where do you learn these things?
        Sure I'll try 'countersteer' first thing on my way to work on my Pulsar.

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        • #5
          hey man ... the vanishing point is really nice...!
          th rider or driver must concentrate on road somewat ahead of him & not on the patch just in front of him.
          this way he can judge his reqd. inputs in a better manner!

          & that ass-shifting technique .... man u have sparked the fire...!
          vrrrooooooommm....BOOMMM...! Heard the sonic boom? Yeah, it was me...!

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          • #6
            Nice info but I've read this before someplace else.

            I've always used counter steering although subconsciously. It's really helpful. In fact, I HAVE to use it because my Yezdi handles like an elephant that's got an upset stomach and doesnt want to go fast around corners!

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            • #7
              Hey,

              i've read this one before............
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              • #8
                Good stuff bro. Very helpful and one can learn it only thru experience on the bike...cant learn it in one go I guess & as u said, a rider wud be using these principles from experience, hopefully not bad ones.
                Its like having horse blinders- look where u wann go & not where u dont wanna go!!..all u gotta know is where u r heading!!
                With great power, comes great responsibility- to man, machine and especially to mother nature.
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                • #9
                  Very useful stuff. Makes total sense with my experience. Thanks!
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                  • #10
                    dude "vanishing point" wont work in india..rossi runs his bike on tracks wch are made my experts nd wth million $"s ...imagine u taking a tight corner at 60 nd looking at the exit nd your front tyre lands into a hole...boooomm ahhhh ouch!!!!
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                    • #11
                      @ widowmaker : see thats where the vanishing point is more useful than ever coz if u are scanning the road ahead of you all the time you would have seen that pothole way before u actually went in it.
                      thats why i said its not just for the track.[]

                      This is one of the basics of riding.
                      When i went for my two wheeler license exam in Oz i noticed this and counter steering were the first two things which were taught to learner ppl getting on the bike for the first time.
                      \'96 Black Yamaha RX100,
                      \'99 Black Kawasaki GPX250

                      http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...ecrazy/Iwe.jpg

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                      • #12
                        the same rally driver counter-steer out of turns.. right kunal?

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                        • #13
                          quote:Originally posted by bikecrazy

                          @ widowmaker : see thats where the vanishing point is more useful than ever coz if u are scanning the road ahead of you all the time you would have seen that pothole way before u actually went in it.
                          thats why i said its not just for the track.[]
                          right said man...!

                          my dad was my trainer ... even he was using this simple thing right from his younger days ...some30 yrs back!
                          & he told me to see the road somewaht ahead of u & not just in front of u...!

                          man that was the day & till today this is the only tip which inspires me to gain some nervous speeds on nervous tracks...![:P]

                          whenever we goes to shimla or anywhere else ... i practices the same thing & always comes out as a winner ...![:P]

                          @widow_maker: man i m in india from my day 1 on earth...![B)]
                          vrrrooooooommm....BOOMMM...! Heard the sonic boom? Yeah, it was me...!

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                          • #14
                            @ bunny: no dude thats called opposite lock.. when you steer your car into the skid..ie pointing the front wheels in the same direction of the skid.
                            \'96 Black Yamaha RX100,
                            \'99 Black Kawasaki GPX250

                            http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...ecrazy/Iwe.jpg

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                            • #15
                              hmmmmmm... got it..

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