bike polish!

[sunilyo]

I found the following post while searching about Silicon polishes.

I even read somewhere else, apply silicone based polish like the waxpol below before final waxing as this helps in bringing out the gloss.


Source: http://www.autopia.org/forum/guide-d...-products.html[COLOR=blue !important][COLOR=blue !important]paint [COLOR=blue !important]finish[/COLOR][/COLOR][/COLOR]. Fish eye defects form where the paint piles up in a circle surrounding a point on the surface that contains a contaminant. The reason freshly sprayed paint does this is because contaminants like wax and silicone tend to create high surface tension and do not allow the paint to properly flow and self-level. Instead of laying down flat, paint moves away from these ingredients, forming a ring around them that has the visual appearance of what is historically described as a fish eye. In severe cases, where [COLOR=blue !important][COLOR=blue !important]the [COLOR=blue !important]painter[/COLOR][/COLOR][/COLOR][COLOR=blue !important][COLOR=blue ! important]paint [COLOR=blue ! important]systems[/COLOR][/COLOR][/COLOR].

All professional body shops understand that the cars they repair have been maintained using products that contain waxes, oils and silicone. For this reason, all professional repair facilities perform the necessary preparation work required to insure that the paintwork is free of contaminates before they begin their work. In so doing, the dreaded "fish eyes" will not be a problem. The preparation work includes using special degreasers and silicone removers that effectively remove these substances from the surface or chemically alter their molecular structure in such a way to insure they pose no problems. If there is ever any question or doubt about the surface to which new paint is going to be applied, painters will use a paint additive to eliminate fish eyes. Interestingly enough, the paint additive that eliminates fish eyes is typically a special silicone additive.

SILICONES USED IN CAR CARE PRODUCTS
There are many kinds of silicones available for use in car care products. They vary in form and functionality. Car care chemists select the best performing silicones to create a desired finish for each kind of car surface.

Silicones are primarily used to modify or enhance a specific characteristic of another ingredient in a polish, wax or protectant formula. Silicones are not used for any characteristic they offer in and of themselves. There are some functions in a car care formula that only silicone can produce or no other ingredient can perform better.

One of the most commonly used features of silicone is its ability to lubricate (improve slip). The use of some types of silicone in a formula acts to make the product easier to apply and buff off. In this way, silicone lubrication helps reduce surface marring (scratches and [COLOR=blue !important][COLOR=blue !important]swirl [COLOR=blue !important]marks[/COLOR][/COLOR][/COLOR]

[aargee]

have you by any chance used the collinite 476?

No; to my knowledge the outcome has to be buffed a lot more than C845 I believe; something more hard to work than C845.

Here's what the three below waxes does...
1. No.476s – most durable protection/weather defense. Most elbow grease required during application.
2. No. 915- 2nd most durable and slightly easier than the 476s to apply/remove. No. 915 lends our warmest shine to dark tones like navy and black due to its highest concentration of rare carnauba.
3. No. 845- easiest of the 3 to apply/remove with slightly less durability than the No. 915

Exactly this is what got me worried. As argee suggeted, will check out the WAXPOL bottle cover to see whether it's a Wax or Polish.

Pls post the pic otherwise; I'll be eager to hear the outcome

[Shibadip]

rightly said aargee.

to add to it polishes have tiny abrasives that help in removing the minor swirl /scratch marks. But like i said in my earlier post they do this by eating up a lil bit of the paint/clearcoat (considering it as filing the paint to smoothen the surface) hence should not be used everytime you wash / wax your vehicle.

Exactly this is what got me worried. As argee suggeted, will check out the WAXPOL bottle cover to see whether it's a Wax or Polish.

[sunilyo]

Hi Friends , I am struggling to find Collinite 840 , Can anyone point me to any online store.

Has anyone tried Eagle one products.

write to Sanjay of bringingbest.com

He has it in stock.

[email protected]

The problem why collinite is not found so easily on online shops unlike meguairs / turtle wax is that they are more into developing a better product than marketing or promotions. They let their product do all the talking that speaks for itself.

[pp180]

Hi chandru,

I have recently started using Collinite 845. To be precise i used it on my bike this sunday only.


Products you can check for DIY (for removing minor scratches / swirls)
Collinite 840 (costs around Rs.950 for 473ml bottle)

Hi Friends , I am struggling to find Collinite 840 , Can anyone point me to any online store.

Has anyone tried Eagle one products.

[sunilyo]

Simple...
Polish - To restore paint OR to give luster
Wax - To protect the surface of paint/metal/plastic from easy natural damages like bird poop, tar spots & easy removal of stain marks


Waxpol is wax; see what's written on waxpol; it should ideally read WAX or POLISH

rightly said aargee.

to add to it polishes have tiny abrasives that help in removing the minor swirl /scratch marks. But like i said in my earlier post they do this by eating up a lil bit of the paint/clearcoat (considering it as filing the paint to smoothen the surface) hence should not be used everytime you wash / wax your vehicle.

[sunilyo]

IMHO, Collinite provides a great luster; but do not expect the luster to last when used on slush; the greatest advantage of the wax is evident only when the muck & dirt are wiped of easily without leaving any stains.

For eg, wax (or double wax) the vehicle & leave it in rain & let the water dry naturally; there should be stains of water appearing as patches; you'll be amazed to see that, with a simple one or two wipe with MF cloth the stains will disappear & the luster should appear. That's the kind of protection the wax provides.

+1 to that exactly this is what i experienced when it rained the next day. In the evening after office i just wiped off the surface with a MF cloth and the shine was back.

have you by any chance used the collinite 476?

[aargee]

Ok,now I'm confused of what i do on my bike

Simple...
Polish - To restore paint OR to give luster
Wax - To protect the surface of paint/metal/plastic from easy natural damages like bird poop, tar spots & easy removal of stain marks

Now whats that?? Polish or wax???

Waxpol is wax; see what's written on waxpol; it should ideally read WAX or POLISH

[Shibadip]

Hi chandru,


polishing and waxing both are different. Polishing (if done correctly) will remove all minor scratches, swirl marks etc and bring out the desired shine. This process is better done by professionals as they have the required tools. Now in this there are some products that eat up a lil bit of the clear coat / paint finish to bring out the shine, but those are mostly industrial/commerical products. For home / DIY use there are many products from various brands like meguairs, collinite, turtle wax etc. that are clear coat safe and help removing minor scratch / swirl marks.

But polishing the vehicle too often is not recommended as they tend to reduce the finish at micron levels. Maybe once a year or every 6 months wont matter much.

Polishing should be done before waxing as it preps the surface and allows the wax to bond better to the surface. You can also try using a clay bar before polishing to remove any kind of impurities from the surface.

Ok,now I'm confused of what i do on my bike.
I use waxpol on my bike, (to a very min level), and keep buffing it to give a nice shine. Now whats that?? Polish or wax???

[aargee]

IMHO, Collinite provides a great luster; but do not expect the luster to last when used on slush; the greatest advantage of the wax is evident only when the muck & dirt are wiped of easily without leaving any stains.

For eg, wax (or double wax) the vehicle & leave it in rain & let the water dry naturally; there should be stains of water appearing as patches; you'll be amazed to see that, with a simple one or two wipe with MF cloth the stains will disappear & the luster should appear. That's the kind of protection the wax provides.

[sunilyo]

I went through the thread. Came across a lot of products. I was using turtle Wax prior to this (comes around 250 bucks ).

Had decent results. But AFAIK the results last for 1 month max. Does using Collinite provide better results? I don't mind the hard work of applying the solid paste.

And please someone give a one-liner definition/differentiation between polishing and waxing. Which comes first?
And recommend less costly products for polishing

Hi chandru,

I have recently started using Collinite 845. To be precise i used it on my bike this sunday only. The result is very good. In terms of how long it will last, i have read anywhere between 3-6 months maybe more. Depending upon conditions and how you park your car - inside, outside. Covered or without cover etc. etc.

aargee has better experience with Collinite 845 and can shed more light on its durability.

It is pretty easy to use. Just apply it as thin as possible. buffing is really easy. I let it to dry till it become powdery and even then buffing was easy. You can even go for a double coat (if you want) after a gap of 12-24 hours for some added protection but many have different views on this but i feel that it will give an added protection.

polishing and waxing both are different. Polishing (if done correctly) will remove all minor scratches, swirl marks etc and bring out the desired shine. This process is better done by professionals as they have the required tools. Now in this there are some products that eat up a lil bit of the clear coat / paint finish to bring out the shine, but those are mostly industrial/commerical products. For home / DIY use there are many products from various brands like meguairs, collinite, turtle wax etc. that are clear coat safe and help removing minor scratch / swirl marks.

But polishing the vehicle too often is not recommended as they tend to reduce the finish at micron levels. Maybe once a year or every 6 months wont matter much.

Polishing should be done before waxing as it preps the surface and allows the wax to bond better to the surface. You can also try using a clay bar before polishing to remove any kind of impurities from the surface.


Products you can check for DIY (for removing minor scratches / swirls)
Collinite 840 (costs around Rs.950 for 473ml bottle)
Meguairs Scratch X 2.0 (Rs.799 for 207 ml bottle)
Meguairs Swirl X
Meguairs ultimate polish (Rs.749)
Formulae 1 Scratch out
SONAX Paintwork Gloss
Turtle Wax scratch repair kit

[Chandru Raj]

I went through the thread. Came across a lot of products. I was using turtle Wax prior to this (comes around 250 bucks ).

Had decent results. But AFAIK the results last for 1 month max. Does using Collinite provide better results? I don't mind the hard work of applying the solid paste.

And please someone give a one-liner definition/differentiation between polishing and waxing. Which comes first?
And recommend less costly products for polishing

[sunilyo]

Although it seems like an Overkill, but really hats off to u for you love, and the relationship with your bike. No wonders your wife keeps nagging.
It seems your bike is getting more attention

BTW, how much time it takes to complete the whole task??

PS - I did something with ur above post in the thread started by @aargee. Hope u won't mind.

On a good day with full of enthusiasm it takes me anywhere between 3-4 hrs from washing till the final buffing is over.

[sunilyo]

Thank you; I was contemplating to do the same, but, I wanted him to do to carry his own credit with willingness

Sorry guys just logged in and saw the new thread.

Thank you Shibadip for doing the work for me.

[aargee]

PS - I did something with ur above post in the thread started by @aargee. Hope u won't mind.

Thank you; I was contemplating to do the same, but, I wanted him to do to carry his own credit with willingness