My Suggestion

Buddy...
Take a ride for yourself before you buy..Anyways i would suggest you to check the following out:
1. Pulsar 200
2. Pulsar 220
3. Apache RTR FI---A good value for money bike!!
4. Karizma

I personally feel that a new launch should be tested for atleast a year on road before you decide to buy it, thus R15 is not in the list but its a nice bike indeed.

Buddy..
You need to visit the HARD TORQUE section and read Sri Keerthi's article on being a biker..

While at it.. Ken da's article would be an eye opener for you as well..
'Nuff said

And Gulshan.. A test ride will tell you the real story man..
Shortlist your choices.. Go for test rides, and then take your decision based on your instincts..

Cheers..!!

Ha ha ha ha. This is the funniest. Pulsars are time tested machines. Yeah right, time and again tested on customers and some 5% of refinement has gone in. If you call pulsars the most rugged and super bike in the county and a Yamaha a piece of crap, well you sure do know a lot about bikes.
R15 has rusty number plates and broken alloys? Wow
I guess, I'll need about 2 pages to list a pulsars academics.

Dude, are you alright?
Lets talk about the pulsars performance and overall capabilities.
Let a P200 beat an RTR, we'll take it from there. Forget the R15.
And what quality are we talking about on pulsars sir? Wake-up. the less spoken the better. If ever a six sigma was to be implemented on a product like a pulsar, the bike will be non-existent.

Joel

you got that right

what saddens me is this... g_rokz has posted only twice... once with the query and the second with the post above... he might never be back on xbhp... so now he must be home thinking that the pulsar 200 is the best thing invented in the world next to sliced bread... giving information is a good thing... feeding crap into a persons head is unacceptable... you maybe a pulsar fanboy... but you must understand that you have influenced a persons decision wrongly... without even taking a test ride or seeing the FZ16 in flesh you've made up your mind...
i'm a self confessed yamaha fanboy... but that won't stop me from calling a spade a spade... like maverick suggested, get yourself formatted and start afresh from 'hard torque'... then someday you might understand the essense of biking... until then refrain from blindly glorifying/underrating machines...
before you go to bed tonight ask yourself this question,"is the pulsar really as good as i think it is?" maybe God will guide you correctly in your dream to the right answer...

@g_rokz : the pulsar 200 is a good machine in its own right... i'ven't yet ridden the FZ16... will take a test ride when its available and when i've the time... so i can't exactly say which is better... what makes things more difficult for the fellow posters in this forum is that you'ven't exactly listed out your wants and want nots for your new bike...
the best thing for you to do is take a test ride of both the bikes buddy... thats the only way you gonna know which bike is good for you... weigh the positives and negatives of each bike over the other... then you can decide... while you are at it you can also try the RTR160Fi (if you are looking at other options as well)...

Mishra ji,

Yes, I am a newbie, with only about 1L+ km over the last seven years under my ass and about 15k in cars. But that's completely irrelevant.

You need to head over to santoosh, or pm me and I'll post you logs about alloys braking in pulsars, the useless rear discs, the crap rear drums in p200 (not p180), about engines becoming WAY rougher in 10k probiking service than in original, and of course the term NVH isnt in your dictionary I'd presume. And you conveniently forget that the only two reasons p200 is butter smooth because it DOESNT have a decompressor and because it has the SAME fccrico clutch plates as karizma

Yes, yammie has given average bikes, butttttt if you see the glady, it has decent quality (atleast on face value) compared to the XCD which isnt as well put together as the platina/discovers. I'm not even coming to the CBF Stunner - the XCD looks like a somalian cousin in front of it!

And sweetie pie, I've been long enough on the forum to tell you the overwhelming number of ex-pulsarians who've since them moved onto karizma or even unicorns and are extremely happy. Pulsar is decent, but its NOT the best thing since sliced bread. Like I said, let's keep balance, not just relive our own purchase decisions.

and if you say a pulsar engine's bulletproof, (and imply others are not) you need to get out there and ride (many) more bikes

yaar kaahey maar rahe ho sab ke sab misraji ki..... not his mistake.. all pulsar loving guys will say like that only.. hes just telling his personal recommendation aur kya..

Dude,
maintenance is not only about washing your bike daily(never 15mins before you are about to leave), but is much more...
You need to have regular oil changes, tyre pressure checkup,
check the bike for break fluids,
the filters, and other small things, which, if looked into regularly, will make any bike almost problem free...
How many guys with P180 can claim that their bike can constantly deliver an average of around 50kmpl,
I know a few who maintain their bikes like gals, and their P180s do deliver around that no. @ average speeds of about 60+kmph..
And another few, who's Pulsars went KKKKKkkkiiiiiiiiiirrrrrrrrrrrr the fifth time they took it to the limit("bike ki maari thi"),
And dude,
(I MAY SOUND LIKE A PULSAR HATER)
In my opinion,Pulsars are the bikes which require the most maintenance, if they are to be made worth riding(Ride satisfaction,which they already lack)

now... seriously?!

this thread has become pulsar vs others
trust me, in 2006 end, P180 was the best buy around... and i got one.
but now, with the smoothness and stability of yamaha's and honda's(new breeds), i say pulsar no longer remains a good option.
but still, i dont call it fair to compare the then pulsar to the now R15 and others.

and since the thread starter is not around, no mufat ka advice to him !

this retaliation is not because I love pulsars...
but because I love and hate Yamahas..both at the same time.

[dedicated to all those who are quoting me in their advices...]

again both are my personal opinions.
and I've expressed them without bother ...!
.

as far as maintaining the bike is concerned I ride to feel freedom...
and that includes living with my reckless attitude.

Ken-da and Sksy biker they are the cult people...

as Maverick said I should learn from them...
I say... I stand no where close to them... neither I have loved bikes as them.
I say... romancing your bike is an art. Not adorned by everyone.

but I believe in my feeling of why give it a damm...
ride it forget it.
move ahead...
there is much more in life than just thinking about the bike everytime.
she will take care of herself.


I am no more a biker, if biking is about splashing attitude and arrogance...
let me be a common man(commuter) who rides for the fun of it.

there was a statement in Ken-da's blog...
"...you ride by choice or you ride out of no choice...?..."

I ride because I feel good while riding sometimes to destination sometimes without destination.

by the way before committing myself to bikes I used to drive my Dad's car... after I got my pulsie it changed my definition. now I started feeling the wind. leaning the bike became a challenge. took the ride of many other bikes. none gave as satisfaction as the pulsie. Pulsie is the best for me, despite bad balance, rough handling and few scratches.

Atleast I can leave it as such and it makes me cover my lost time on way.
and I can get a mechanic anywhere and is not much costly to maintain.
believe me it has not asked anything than servicing( sometimes regular, sometimes lapsed).
electric starter fires the bike without any hassle every morning.
never had any clutch cable break.
never got the clutch plates changed. though speed runs have become a routine.
and the silencer makes me feel the grunt.though is rusted at the tip and delivers more sound than stock.
returns a mileage of 50kmpl. (well, thats a surprise)


and I know that there are many boys who feel the same way as me, but don't admit... and then a story of show-off starts where every one is trying to be more cool than the next one.
everyone trying to be the best BIKER...
and in this they do most of the things

if this is the case I don't deserve to be called a biker.

please guys you are messing with a wrong person...

as far as Gulshans decision...
"hey Gulshan if you are listening, don't listen to me... there are better people to ask for advice...
me is just a reckless fellow on a pulsie."

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if you are not consummate, then being a dilettante is ain't that bad.

Joe buddy, I agree with all your comments but why are u so much carried away by the RTR??? I agree that your RTR can beat the P200 but not the Stock ones!!!
The RTR is more of a track tool, I do agree with it that it will send a P200 home on tracks but given day to day use and accelerating on straights, the P200 will kick the RTR butt and with a very good margin!!! I've tried it myself many many times.. and can vouch for it!!

RTR and 200 not an even comparisoned Things
Both can be closer in a small drag - but in a Higher margin its toooo tough
But both 200 and RTR are street bikes
RTR has a very good lower end torque and not to leave 200 on this aspect

But 200 has always done it - we have tested even with RTRFI still 200 does it well

@Mods : I think its time to close this thread as its turning into another one of those tvs vs yamaha vs pulsar threads... the thread starter seems least interested... no point having this thread open...

WTF is the topic creator doing ?


mods .. close this topic ..

(Here's my chance to boost my post count)

MG..!!
Do the right thing..!! ( Whatever that may be )...