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  • Std 350 Vs Electra

    question : STD vs Electra?

    i like: std
    why:
    • its cheaper
    • love the way it looks
    • Dont like the chrome on electra


    Why electra:
    • Disc brake
    • rear suspension


    Hi guys, would like to have your inputs regarding the above decision .. let me simplify.
    I want the standard, im only worried if it would be annoying to handle the heavy bull without disk brakes in th city's stop n go traffic, specially after my p180 ug4.
    Also i had a discover with drum brakes long back after the bike got old, the front brake wouldn't make the bike stop immediately during panic braking, hence my worry about the standard

    P.S. - also would like to know where would be the best place to sell my p180 ug4 that completes a year in feb 2011. will have clocked 13k kms by feb. hasnt met with an accident even once, was pushed off the stand once by a car. has minor scratches as a result of that. have been personally supervising all servicings since day one. have used motul 5100 everytime after 3rd service. change oil once every 2500kms. so all in all its in awesome shape
    "Only a biker knows why a dog sticks his head out of a car window"

  • #2
    Query approved.
    (Been There Done That) x 3.25

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    • #3
      thanks for the approval mod

      now can someone please help me out here..
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      • #4
        go for the Electra, it has new technology.
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        • #5
          Originally posted by anmol_1990 View Post
          go for the Electra, it has new technology.
          Hi Anmol, as far as i know both have the same uce twinspark engine, only non cosmetic differences being the disk brake and rear suspension
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          • #6
            newer technology in terms of ignition system(one of my friend who own electra told me).
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            • #7
              Gotlo (Sumanta)
              I am in a similar situation as you. I like the Std Bullet. But the Electra has better features - Disc brake and Gas Shocks.

              There are 2 routes:

              a. Buy a Std 350 and add disk brakes and gas shocks.
              * Cost of Std = 1,03,000 (bangalore)
              * Cost of Disk = 8000
              * Cost of Gas shocks = ?

              b. Buy an Electra and change parts to Std 350.
              * Cost of Electra = 1,16,500 (Bangalore)
              * Cost of front and rear mudguards for Std. = ? [NOTE: changing the front mudguard is not trivial as it has a special fit with the fork. So should the fork be changed as well; this is what the dealer at Teknik motors (B'lore) told me.)
              * Cost of new tank (if you want the Std's tank with gold pinstripes) = 5,000
              * Cost of air-filer cover = ?

              All in all, I think it is cheaper to make a Std 350 look like an Electra.
              Can you drop by and check if Front Disk brakes can be installed onto the front wheel of a STANDARD? I will also do so from my side.

              SELLING PULSAR: Try SULEKHA Classifieds or QUIKR. XBHP classifieds. Unless you need the cash, I believe you need to keep the Pulsar till you become comfortable with the Bullet's quirks.

              UPDATE:
              I spoke with RE Brand Store JAYANAGAR (Bangalore).
              1. Rear gas shocks cost 1,500-1,700 for the pair.
              2. Front disk brake can be fitted to a Standard model. Cost is 8,000 - 10,000.
              3. I didn't check on adding Electric starter.

              * All fitting will be done after registration of bike and take 2-3 days.
              * no buy back scheme. You need to pay for the additional items and take back home the original drum brake and non-gas shocks.
              Last edited by rapperswil; 02-02-2011, 05:18 PM. Reason: Additional details

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              • #8
                Hi Buddy,

                i will inquire about the front disk setup cost etc..i had asked earlier , they had said it can be done though i didn't ask about costs involved. Not thinking about doing it for some time now.. since i wont have the money to do that :P and yes i have to sell my pulsar to arrange the remaining amount for purchasing the STD

                will let you know
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by anmol_1990 View Post
                  newer technology in terms of ignition system(one of my friend who own electra told me).

                  That was in the Past! the Pre 2010 Electras came with Electronic ingition while the standard had CB points. That was the distinguishing factor then. But now both the STD 350 and the Electra share the same Engine, Ignition etc. But the STD 350 of today does not come with Disk Brakes and Self start whilst the Electras have them both.

                  If you ask me go for neither cos the UCE 350 engine sucks, the bike lacks the bullet feel and vibrates and clatters a lot in the 60 kmph - 75 kmph range. Best bet to get a "real bullet" today would be to look out for a good used Cast Iron engined bullet especially the ones produced between 2001 - 2005. Or even the AVL 350 i.e. Machismo Thunderbird from that period.
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                  • #10
                    YamahaTrooper,
                    I'll have to disagree with you there.
                    If you ask me go for neither cos the UCE 350 engine sucks, the bike lacks the bullet feel and vibrates and clatters a lot in the 60 kmph - 75 kmph range.
                    1. The UCE engine has been rated favorably compared to the older engines. It is modern, burns better, is more efficient, complies with pollution norms and tries to bring the Bullet to 21st-century-levels in terms of ease of maintenance. This is the mood on RE's US forums. The Iron engine's advantage was just the thump and the torque. On Indian forums, I see an attachment to the Iron Engine's 'thump' and the recognition, bordering on reverence, from (possibly ignorant) passers-by.

                    2. I have been reading reviews of the UCE engine in many forums and magazines both in UK and US. While all of them agree that there are vibrations on the Bullet, their opinion seems to be that it has improved in the right direction. Perhaps the Std and Electra do not come with superior bushes that could damp vibes from the engine to the frame, that the Classics have, but it is not the engine at fault here.

                    The engine revision was long due from RE. HD uses the older separate construction engine but have improved their quality levels, so though we have a vintage design, it is put together very well. Perhaps RE chould have done so too.

                    The thumb rule to choosing whether or not to buy Bullets of vintage is to decide it you like riding or tinkering with the bike. The UCE lets you ride more and tinker less.
                    Last edited by rapperswil; 02-03-2011, 08:40 PM.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by rapperswil View Post
                      YamahaTrooper,
                      I'll have to disagree with you there.


                      1. The UCE engine has been rated favorably compared to the older engines. It is modern, burns better, is more efficient, complies with pollution norms and tries to bring the Bullet to 21st-century-levels in terms of ease of maintenance. This is the mood on RE's US forums. The Iron engine's advantage was just the thump and the torque. On Indian forums, I see an attachment to the Iron Engine's 'thump' and the recognition, bordering on reverence, from (possibly ignorant) passers-by.

                      2. I have been reading reviews of the UCE engine in many forums and magazines both in UK and US. While all of them agree that there are vibrations on the Bullet, their opinion seems to be that it has improved in the right direction. Perhaps the Std and Electra do not come with superior bushes that could damp vibes from the engine to the frame, that the Classics have, but it is not the engine at fault here.

                      The engine revision was long due from RE. HD uses the older separate construction engine but have improved their quality levels, so though we have a vintage design, it is put together very well. Perhaps RE chould have done so too.

                      The thumb rule to choosing whether or not to buy Bullets of vintage is to decide it you like riding or tinkering with the bike. The UCE lets you ride more and tinker less.
                      spoken like a pro! you are not a junior member mate! :P wish i could 'like' this comment. btw, looks like my royal dreams will have to be delayed as of now financial crunch...

                      ps. did you checkout the std 500 released in US? Awesome
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                      • #12
                        But rapperwil those reviews you read were about 500cc bullets sold in the US and UK but what our friend is to buy is a 350cc Uce also you got to see those 500cc are fuel injected whereas the 350's run with carb so dont bring in reviews told in the us uk bullet forums ; moreover the classic 500 only efi available in india does lack an O2 sensor ,the RE people dont do justice to indian bikers (From where bullets are manufactured for all around the world)
                        IMO go for electra its less problematic compared to STD during CI days,hope it continues in the UCE era too; also acount to the gear shift ,as in electra its same as other bike but in STD the gear lever would be on your left leg , further the electra can be modded very easily than the STD
                        About the vibes , if your bull doesn't vibrate dump it and buy any modern bike ;
                        sorry O.T.: Yamaha trooper have you got your Cl500 or still your booking is on waiting period
                        Last edited by raja_roadster; 02-04-2011, 01:45 AM.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by rapperswil View Post
                          YamahaTrooper,
                          I'll have to disagree with you there.


                          1. The UCE engine has been rated favorably compared to the older engines. It is modern, burns better, is more efficient, complies with pollution norms and tries to bring the Bullet to 21st-century-levels in terms of ease of maintenance. This is the mood on RE's US forums. The Iron engine's advantage was just the thump and the torque. On Indian forums, I see an attachment to the Iron Engine's 'thump' and the recognition, bordering on reverence, from (possibly ignorant) passers-by.

                          2. I have been reading reviews of the UCE engine in many forums and magazines both in UK and US. While all of them agree that there are vibrations on the Bullet, their opinion seems to be that it has improved in the right direction. Perhaps the Std and Electra do not come with superior bushes that could damp vibes from the engine to the frame, that the Classics have, but it is not the engine at fault here.

                          The engine revision was long due from RE. HD uses the older separate construction engine but have improved their quality levels, so though we have a vintage design, it is put together very well. Perhaps RE chould have done so too.

                          The thumb rule to choosing whether or not to buy Bullets of vintage is to decide it you like riding or tinkering with the bike. The UCE lets you ride more and tinker less.

                          Are you going by whats written in the "US" forums or have you had first hand real world expeirence of the UCE 350? Cos I ve owned an Electra UCE for 10 months and finally gave up on it after i reached a point where I could not lie to myself about the fact that the engine sucked. Man the Cams clatter like they are totally outta sync and worse you can't adjust the damn tappets cos they are Hydraulic! And trust me the RE mech's ain't gonna be of any help either. the UCE 500 thats another story. The situation is due to the crank weight being able to balance things out. In fact on the newer 500s the crank weight has been increased to shunt these vibrations out. I mean I agree the vibrations are part of all bullets and you can say thats the way it delvers it's torque but then there are good vibrations and bad vibrations and the UCE 350 has inherntly the bad ones. It just was not my bike, after I got rid of the Electra i did a extended test ride on bothe the C500 and the C350. While the C500 revs freely and has a nice n smooth power delivery the C350 hit that one Rev range and grraawwr there was no power delivery and just a lotta clatter.

                          also acount to the gear shift ,as in electra its same as other bike but in STD the gear lever would be on your left leg .
                          Nope the STD and electra has same engine and same gear box. Both with left side gearshifter and right side breaks. Back in the CI days STD 350 and the Electra 4 speed had a right shift and left break while the Electra 5 speed had the left shifter and RHS break setup.

                          OT but @raja_roadster no I am still waiting on the C500 no news from RE on that and in between I am having ideas of cancelling the booking using that 1.5lacs as a downpayment for a Harley iron 883. Lets see will take a call when I muster up the 1.5 lacs.. Thanks for asking.. Peace n Love
                          Last edited by yamahatrooper; 02-04-2011, 02:57 AM.
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                          • #14
                            Are you going by whats written in the "US" forums or have you had first hand real world expeirence of the UCE 350?
                            I have no first hand experience of owning any Bullet models. I have a booking and in the meantime I am reading all I can. I have been reading the Bullet-in threads on the Indian RE site also. I have not read about any vibes so far. I will search for these issues. Thanks for the update.

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                            • #15
                              oh so the UCE STD's come with a left gear pattern as electra-5s thanks for enlightening btw that wats the onroad price of HD iron
                              Last edited by raja_roadster; 02-04-2011, 05:59 PM.

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