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  • Yamaha R15 V2.0 OR Pulsar 220DTSi OR RTR 180ABS

    Hello guys.

    I'd like to buy a new bike and consufed between Yamaha R15 V2.0, Pulsar 220DTSi and RTR 180ABS. I've read a lot and also driven both of the P220 and RTR180 ABS. However, I am waiting for the Feedback on the new R15 V2.0.

    I am basically more of a city rider than an occasional tourer. My daily city ride is around 50 KM and includes City roads and highway as well. I am looking for a decent bike with killer looks, great performance, safety/handling and a little bit Fuel economy.

    Initially I shortlisted P220, but then heard about the ZMR being launched and postponed the 220. However, somehow I am not fully satisfied with the ZMR as its just a cosmetic upgrade from ZMA. Still it lacks the killer looks and performace of New R15. I also took TD of new RTR 180 ABS and pretty much impressed with its performance. The ABS is amazing and its the main reason for my interest towards this bike. As you know in Indian roads you can never predict when you'll come across some lazy idiots crossing the road like they are roaming in a garden. However, the bike vibrates after 65Kph, and there are some reliability issues after 2-3 years, and I am planning to keep it for more than 2-3 years. Same is the case with P220, I heard from many people that it will start giving trouble after 2-3 years.

    So I was in a big dilema as to which bike I should go for (220 or RTR180) This was the time when I heard about new R15. Again postponed the Idea of buying and waited for it. Finally it was launched yesterday. The bike has surely got good looks with excellent rear and side looks. Unfortunately, there is no performance upgrade in terms of power, but it seems like they have tuned it to get more low end tourque, which for me is a great move. Considering that most of the people will not ride it on track or take it on a long highway ride everyday and it will still be used mostly inside the city traffic. So the low end will certainly help in signal to signal drag race and to overtake those lazy BEST buses and Learning drivers.

    However, what I didn't like in it is the rear seat. It looks like Yamaha doesn't want us to take our wives or GF's with us (Forget about aunties as its almost impossible to ride sideways). From what I saw a picture with pillion, it looks like in case of a sudden braking, the pillion will go fly past the bike like a superman. To add to that there isn't a grab rail to keep the pillion seated.

    As I'll take my wife for occasional rides so it looks little dangerous to me. With regards to the top end and real performace including cornering with those 130 rear tyres is yet to be tested in real life. So I am still in Dilema as to which Bike....

    Any help and suggestions will be appreciated.
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    Yamaha R15 V2.0
    68.54%
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    Pulsar 220DTSi
    9.02%
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    Apache RTR 180ABS
    8.05%
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    Honda CBR250R
    14.39%
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    • #3
      From your requirement it doesn't look like R15 & 220 will suit your needs. R15 will eb just too much if you are buying only for city commuting. 220 is ok but then again the pillion seat is quite high & bit uncomfortable too!
      RTR seems to be a better option for you. But if you need a bit of power then go for 220 as R15 will be a waste of money if you are planning for city riding only.
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      • #4
        If your budget is stretchable, I would recommend the CBR. It will surely satisfy on all fronts.
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        • #5
          ^ +1. That bike satisfies all the OP's requirements to the T.
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          • #6
            cbr if u can stretch your budget or else the rtr fulfills all your needs.......as far as reliability after 2-3years is concerned.....any bike will give you a few problems after 2-3years of riding it....

            its all about maintenance.......
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            • #7
              among the bikes you've shortlisted, RTR would be the best bet. However, if the CBR250R (cABS) fits in your budget, get it.
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              • #8
                Why do everyone else, apart from the owners think that Indian made bikes (read Bajaj & TVS) fall apart after 2-3 years of usage?
                The Apache is a great bike, the RTR180ABS has a lot less vibes and should be a good choice for your current requirements. All you need to do is ensure that you are getting the bike serviced according to schedule and it will definitely last you more than what you are perceiving its life to be.
                The P220 would disappoint you a little on the fuel economy front.
                Of course, if your budget permits, the CBR250R is a better bike, but remember that it will only give you around 30kmpl.
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                • #9
                  I would also suggest you CBR 250 if budget permits, otherwise ZMA R is for you, reliable, smooth and good all rounder. All other mentioned by you will lose on comfort level for your wife.
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                  • #10
                    Without confusing you much, here are my 2 cents. I would just like to mention that it has been more than 2 years since I bought the RTR. May be this(3rd) year, it will fall apart. But till now, not a single glitch!

                    RTR ABS for you. Though, if you think you can make-do without ABS the P220 seems to be the best bet for the price it comes.

                    R15 V2 is a very handsome package at that price. As pillion comfort (or space) is somewhere in your priorities, the R15 might not suit.

                    Final verdict, a CBR is what you should be looking at, if you have the moolah. Just perfect bike for Indian road-conditions, I believe. It handles wonderfully without making you look like a racer-boy, can hit 130-140kph with ease. It has great-mid range (bliss in Indian traffic!) and a good pillion comfort. Above all, you get the reliability of Honda. And then is the CBR name! Some might say it isn't worthy enough of the CBR tag but at the end of the day, it's known as the CBR only.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by x-force View Post
                      Hello guys.


                      I am basically more of a city rider than an occasional tourer. My daily city ride is around 50 KM and includes City roads and highway as well. I am looking for a decent bike with killer looks, great performance, safety/handling and a little bit Fuel economy.
                      I am not giving any suggestion as to which bike you should buy. But since you have considered the P220 as well and I own one, I decided to stick to answering your questions with respect to the P220.
                      1. Killer Looks- Subjective, so no comments.
                      2. Great Performance- Oh yeah!! The strong point of this bike, good performance with and without pillion in every part of the rev range.
                      3. Safety- Any bike is only as safe as the rider chooses it to be.
                      4. Handling- I believe handling is subjective. Every R15 owner cannot push a 220 hard into the corners, similarly I can go fast through a corner on my 220 but not on an R15. So it depends considerably on your riding style.
                      5. Fuel Economy- If you go easy on the throttle, 35-40kmpl is guaranteed.
                      6. City ride - Its decent but not the best. But since you say your commute will be on city roads and highways, then the 220 will stand you in good stead.
                      7. Pillion Comfort- From personal experience as long as you have pretty girl/gf/wife as your pillion who is willing to hold you tight, you have no problem But again if you have to give a hirsute friend a lift then you really wouldn't want him to be holding you tight As long as pillion is 5'5" getting on and off the bike is no problem. Shorter than that, the pillion does get irritated!

                      Hope this helps, just trying to give a positive and negative of the bike. The choice is yours.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by x-force View Post
                        Initially I shortlisted P220, but then heard about the ZMR being launched and postponed the 220. However, somehow I am not fully satisfied with the ZMR as its just a cosmetic upgrade from ZMA. Still it lacks the killer looks and performace of New R15. I also took TD of new RTR 180 ABS and pretty much impressed with its performance. The ABS is amazing and its the main reason for my interest towards this bike.



                        However, what I didn't like in it is the rear seat. It looks like Yamaha doesn't want us to take our wives or GF's with us (Forget about aunties as its almost impossible to ride sideways).
                        Just a question, how do you know the ABS is amazing? it's inactive unless the wheels are about to lock, it's not really a pleasant experience, especially the first time.

                        Nothing wrong with the pillion set up, it's how sports bikes are, the pillion just needs to hold onto the rider, which is safer for both, this sideways sitting that we have here, is fairly ignorant and dangerous anyway, the pillion should also wear riding gear like the rider, if you want a commuter style bike, a splendour would work well for you.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by stefanm View Post
                          Just a question, how do you know the ABS is amazing? it's inactive unless the wheels are about to lock, it's not really a pleasant experience, especially the first time.
                          It's of course pleasant! Pleasant than any bike fishtailing on wet/gravel/mud, to say the least. And I would also like to say that it, indeed, is amazing!

                          Anyway, if you didn't find it pleasant doesn't mean that everyone should be scared and sit back home. Everyone has different perspective of seeing things and you cannot question them every time.
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                          • #14
                            Thanks for the approval Noor.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by rx100.7050 View Post
                              From your requirement it doesn't look like R15 & 220 will suit your needs. R15 will eb just too much if you are buying only for city commuting. 220 is ok but then again the pillion seat is quite high & bit uncomfortable too!
                              RTR seems to be a better option for you. But if you need a bit of power then go for 220 as R15 will be a waste of money if you are planning for city riding only.
                              Please do not trust morons who say that the product is bad unless they haven't experienced it themselves. Regular/scheduled maintenance is what is required, that's it.
                              Thanks Bro for you suggestions.

                              Originally posted by Sarvajit View Post
                              If your budget is stretchable, I would recommend the CBR. It will surely satisfy on all fronts.

                              Originally posted by abhijeet080808 View Post
                              ^ +1. That bike satisfies all the OP's requirements to the T.
                              Originally posted by revvhard View Post
                              cbr if u can stretch your budget or else the rtr fulfills all your needs.......as far as reliability after 2-3years is concerned.....any bike will give you a few problems after 2-3years of riding it....

                              its all about maintenance.......
                              Originally posted by eliksir View Post
                              among the bikes you've shortlisted, RTR would be the best bet. However, if the CBR250R (cABS) fits in your budget, get it.
                              Well, I've considered it initially, but then I've to wait little more to arrange funds. May be that is a good idea too. Lets see...

                              Originally posted by Guru_DTSi View Post
                              Why do everyone else, apart from the owners think that Indian made bikes (read Bajaj & TVS) fall apart after 2-3 years of usage?
                              The Apache is a great bike, the RTR180ABS has a lot less vibes and should be a good choice for your current requirements. All you need to do is ensure that you are getting the bike serviced according to schedule and it will definitely last you more than what you are perceiving its life to be.
                              The P220 would disappoint you a little on the fuel economy front.
                              Of course, if your budget permits, the CBR250R is a better bike, but remember that it will only give you around 30kmpl.
                              I owned two Bajaj motorcyles. Pulsar 150 2002 and Platina 2007. Still own Platina as its less run, and maintained well. Also had ZMA and my cousin has RTR Apache.

                              Pulsar started giving trouble after 2-3 years so sold that. However, the Platina is still going good. Probably due to the fact that its less run and being maintained well. ZMA is a good bike, but I dont know why I am not fully satisfied with it. I agree with you that you'll have lesser trouble if its maintained well.

                              I've read somewhere about engine efficiency which goes like that TVS 13.2 - Bajaj 13.5 - Honda 13.9 - Yamaha - 14.2. I dont know if same goes for the build quality as well.

                              Originally posted by Royzone View Post
                              I would also suggest you CBR 250 if budget permits, otherwise ZMA R is for you, reliable, smooth and good all rounder. All other mentioned by you will lose on comfort level for your wife.
                              Originally posted by shivank View Post
                              Without confusing you much, here are my 2 cents. I would just like to mention that it has been more than 2 years since I bought the RTR. May be this(3rd) year, it will fall apart. But till now, not a single glitch!

                              RTR ABS for you. Though, if you think you can make-do without ABS the P220 seems to be the best bet for the price it comes.

                              R15 V2 is a very handsome package at that price. As pillion comfort (or space) is somewhere in your priorities, the R15 might not suit.

                              Final verdict, a CBR is what you should be looking at, if you have the moolah. Just perfect bike for Indian road-conditions, I believe. It handles wonderfully without making you look like a racer-boy, can hit 130-140kph with ease. It has great-mid range (bliss in Indian traffic!) and a good pillion comfort. Above all, you get the reliability of Honda. And then is the CBR name! Some might say it isn't worthy enough of the CBR tag but at the end of the day, it's known as the CBR only.
                              Originally posted by The Monk View Post
                              I am not giving any suggestion as to which bike you should buy. But since you have considered the P220 as well and I own one, I decided to stick to answering your questions with respect to the P220.
                              1. Killer Looks- Subjective, so no comments.
                              2. Great Performance- Oh yeah!! The strong point of this bike, good performance with and without pillion in every part of the rev range.
                              3. Safety- Any bike is only as safe as the rider chooses it to be.
                              4. Handling- I believe handling is subjective. Every R15 owner cannot push a 220 hard into the corners, similarly I can go fast through a corner on my 220 but not on an R15. So it depends considerably on your riding style.
                              5. Fuel Economy- If you go easy on the throttle, 35-40kmpl is guaranteed.
                              6. City ride - Its decent but not the best. But since you say your commute will be on city roads and highways, then the 220 will stand you in good stead.
                              7. Pillion Comfort- From personal experience as long as you have pretty girl/gf/wife as your pillion who is willing to hold you tight, you have no problem But again if you have to give a hirsute friend a lift then you really wouldn't want him to be holding you tight As long as pillion is 5'5" getting on and off the bike is no problem. Shorter than that, the pillion does get irritated!

                              Hope this helps, just trying to give a positive and negative of the bike. The choice is yours.

                              Cheers!
                              Thanks a lot guys!!

                              Originally posted by stefanm View Post
                              Just a question, how do you know the ABS is amazing? it's inactive unless the wheels are about to lock, it's not really a pleasant experience, especially the first time.

                              Nothing wrong with the pillion set up, it's how sports bikes are, the pillion just needs to hold onto the rider, which is safer for both, this sideways sitting that we have here, is fairly ignorant and dangerous anyway, the pillion should also wear riding gear like the rider, if you want a commuter style bike, a splendour would work well for you.
                              As per my knowledge "ABS" Anti lock braking system prevents the wheels to get locked. Which in terms increases the stability of bike even in case of hard braking. It contains some sensors which acts at the time of applying the brakes and makes adjustments so that the wheels don't get locked. So its exactly for the situation when you need to apply sudden brakes. It can be a life savier. Besides it has an option to switch it on or off.

                              Even I dont prefer sideways seating, however, it seems that even normal seating is dangerous in this bike.

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