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  • #31
    Originally posted by prajnyan View Post
    You should also be knowing that such PGM-FI systems deliver almost same mileage as carb device in 100-125cc bikes, moreover FI systems need more care which anyone who buys 100cc bike is not really interested in getting done looking at the price of just cleaning the FI's regularY!
    FYI glamour pgm-fi owners have reported at least 5-10 kmpl mileage increase than the carb one.so for a day to day commuter he gets to ride 300 km more with the same money than carb one.

    fi system definitely needs more care but that will be taken care by asc.the other added features of the bike is>
    1.real time mileage indicator.so keep track of your mileage digitally[calculated on the basis of fuel consumption and distance traversed for last ten sec] than tank-full method.
    2.bank angel sensor-it's a safety feature in which ecu automatically cuts-off ignition and fuel supply if bike tips over certain angle.
    3.hassle-free start without choke during cold-start.
    4.your little contribution to environment by lowering hydrocarbon emission.
    and the question remains why do i race?
    every finishing line is the begining of a new race.

    #i have learnt to manipulate my own adrenaline and the perception of biking is different.
    #overkill is underrated.
    #how random roads may appear there is always a destination.sigpic
    #i don't subscribe to co-incidence,either it is the rider or the other moron on the road

    (:)people keeps on saying add spark to life, bajaj got hold of that idea and added an extra spark to bike.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by sayank10 View Post
      FYI glamour pgm-fi owners have reported at least 5-10 kmpl mileage increase than the carb one.so for a day to day commuter he gets to ride 300 km more with the same money than carb one.

      fi system definitely needs more care but that will be taken care by asc.the other added features of the bike is>
      1.real time mileage indicator.so keep track of your mileage digitally[calculated on the basis of fuel consumption and distance traversed for last ten sec] than tank-full method. Real time mileage calc dont actually give the correct method, even those with costly advanced ECU chips in car give readings that aren't accurate. The mileage reading is taken considering your riding condition at that moment of how much fuel is injected, it never takes into account the fuel quality, engine condition, clutch wear, actual km covered, amount of fuel that got evaporated, etc so it will be way way less, especially on bikes thats run even decent 30-40000km. I have seen it in cars, it shows 19kmpl mileage while we would have only covered around 14-15km.
      2.bank angel sensor-it's a safety feature in which ecu automatically cuts-off ignition and fuel supply if bike tips over certain angle. The bank angle sensor can be implied in any bike, its more imp here since FI bikes dont have fuel ON,reserve, off manual control this sensor is very essential. they also seldom get spoilt, so you will be stranded in middle of nowhere, i have read it happens even in BMW bikes, so I really dont want an bank angle sensor to malfunction now, generally the SVC will just bypass these wires in case it start malfunctioning instead of replace as ppl really dont want to spend on replacing some sensor that they find it useless! Its like having an air bag, unless its mandated, i really dont think air bags will be considered by anyone for its cost and since old air bags may not deploy at the right moment, just the same applies to these sensors.
      3.hassle-free start without choke during cold-start.Its just auto choke, and for your kind info, even R15 in cold mornings dont start so easily, it will eat a lot of fuel and battery before it does start, and bikes with battries old than a year or so just die cranking.
      4.your little contribution to environment by lowering hydrocarbon emission. This part I agree! FI bikes spew less CO into air, but then it is only since they also come with cat-con, use of poor quality fuel may damage the catalytic converter and render it useless!
      Answer in Red!
      Last edited by prajnyan; 02-12-2012, 07:20 AM.
      There are no short-cuts to any place worth going. So ride safe when you are treading uncharted roads.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by prajnyan View Post
        I wouldnt really go for the slingshot, dont you think the SS seems more of a better choice for the budget here?
        SS is a good bike but I don't find any reason here as to why everybody ruled out Slingshot.




        Coming to 125cc FI bikes, just head to a Honda or Hero SVC and ask any owner who is there for servicing his bike if he is happy with his bike. The cost of maintenance is higher than carbed bikes and you need to maintain adequately high quality and quantity of fuel in the tank at all times. And special care has to be taken while washing the bike too.
        In today's world, quotes don't matter. Quotas do!

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        • #34
          yes fi in lower cc. is not practical choice.i have heard about the costly maintainance.i just suggested fi just for the heck of mileage.well about the bank angle sensor ,it's working fine in my friend's stunner pgm-fi,i didn't know that real time mileage indicator is not accurate either.as far as i know fi bikes don't come with cat-con.
          and the question remains why do i race?
          every finishing line is the begining of a new race.

          #i have learnt to manipulate my own adrenaline and the perception of biking is different.
          #overkill is underrated.
          #how random roads may appear there is always a destination.sigpic
          #i don't subscribe to co-incidence,either it is the rider or the other moron on the road

          (:)people keeps on saying add spark to life, bajaj got hold of that idea and added an extra spark to bike.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by sayank10 View Post
            yes fi in lower cc. is not practical choice.i have heard about the costly maintainance.i just suggested fi just for the heck of mileage.well about the bank angle sensor ,it's working fine in my friend's stunner pgm-fi,i didn't know that real time mileage indicator is not accurate either.as far as i know fi bikes don't come with cat-con.
            Cat-con is a must in any vehicle to confirm to euro3/Bharat Stage4 norms.
            If any vehicle doesn't have it then it will be mostly because the emission is less due to less cc's or better fuel compression ratios, maybe the company is trying to push these bikes till the govt just bans such sale without cat con when they will finally give up and install one , whatever the reason which I cannot ascertain , perhaps Hero did not install it to save on costs,.

            FYI: An R15 which has an FI engine, comes with air induction along with a catalytic converter, certified as Bharat Stage IV norms Even my mikuni carb. based bike has one cat con. So its probably how advanced a company decides to go, and for hero installing an bank sensor, and real time mileage sensor but not cat con?
            Last edited by prajnyan; 02-14-2012, 12:19 AM.
            There are no short-cuts to any place worth going. So ride safe when you are treading uncharted roads.

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            • #36
              which bike to choose from glamour and twister as on road price has just 1000rs difference.?

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              • #37
                Have a doubt

                My colleagues have a honda shine & hh splendor. Whenever i get to go out i would have to ride a shine or splendor. Previously i used to have a d135. In that bike tachometer would help me when to shift gears. When i ride a shine/splendor it's very hard to find what rpm is the engine is spinning based on that i have to shift gear.

                How to shift the gear where a bike without a tachometer? Based on the speed i gain on acceleration?

                Riding a honda dio now(due to accident forced to sell d135). If i want again to ride a bike i would choose a bike with a tachometer & disc brakes. Very painful to use drum brake in dio .
                Failure should never go to heart & success should never go to head,both makes a person to fall in life-Winston Churchill


                Yesterday is history.
                Tomorrow is a mystery.
                Today is a gift, That is why it is called \"Present\".

                Enjoy every moment.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by alurysharad2008 View Post
                  which bike to choose from glamour and twister as on road price has just 1000rs difference.?
                  i would put my money on twister.but practically speaking i would rather buy ss125 with that money,it will be even better if you stretch your buget little and buy sz-r.
                  and the question remains why do i race?
                  every finishing line is the begining of a new race.

                  #i have learnt to manipulate my own adrenaline and the perception of biking is different.
                  #overkill is underrated.
                  #how random roads may appear there is always a destination.sigpic
                  #i don't subscribe to co-incidence,either it is the rider or the other moron on the road

                  (:)people keeps on saying add spark to life, bajaj got hold of that idea and added an extra spark to bike.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by MR ACE View Post
                    How to shift the gear where a bike without a tachometer? Based on the speed i gain on acceleration?.
                    it's your instinct that tells you when to shift,you can try listening to engine rev,although i never need tacho for shifting,may be because i learned riding on a passion,and used it extensively.
                    and the question remains why do i race?
                    every finishing line is the begining of a new race.

                    #i have learnt to manipulate my own adrenaline and the perception of biking is different.
                    #overkill is underrated.
                    #how random roads may appear there is always a destination.sigpic
                    #i don't subscribe to co-incidence,either it is the rider or the other moron on the road

                    (:)people keeps on saying add spark to life, bajaj got hold of that idea and added an extra spark to bike.

                    Comment


                    • #40
                      Originally posted by prajnyan View Post
                      Cat-con is a must in any vehicle to confirm to euro3/Bharat Stage4 norms.
                      If any vehicle doesn't have it then it will be mostly because the emission is less due to less cc's or better fuel compression ratios, maybe the company is trying to push these bikes till the govt just bans such sale without cat con when they will finally give up and install one , whatever the reason which I cannot ascertain , perhaps Hero did not install it to save on costs,.

                      FYI: An R15 which has an FI engine, comes with air induction along with a catalytic converter, certified as Bharat Stage IV norms Even my mikuni carb. based bike has one cat con. So its probably how advanced a company decides to go, and for hero installing an bank sensor, and real time mileage sensor but not cat con?
                      cat-con is not needed in case of fi.
                      and the question remains why do i race?
                      every finishing line is the begining of a new race.

                      #i have learnt to manipulate my own adrenaline and the perception of biking is different.
                      #overkill is underrated.
                      #how random roads may appear there is always a destination.sigpic
                      #i don't subscribe to co-incidence,either it is the rider or the other moron on the road

                      (:)people keeps on saying add spark to life, bajaj got hold of that idea and added an extra spark to bike.

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                      • #41
                        yamaha ss125.....amazing looks

                        Hi friends,
                        am planning to purchase this bike, but pl help me to know issues if any related to open chain cover of this bike... Can we replace it by full covered chain cover, andhow frequently is it needed to apply spray on the chain...

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by bhushisshah View Post
                          Hi friends,
                          am planning to purchase this bike, but pl help me to know issues if any related to open chain cover of this bike... Can we replace it by full covered chain cover, andhow frequently is it needed to apply spray on the chain...
                          Open chain won't be problem dude!! It's a trend now!!
                          Regarding the chain lub etc.. it's better to get chain setting and lubricated once in every 500-600kms!! If you are a rash or aggressive rider then every 300-400kms, it's basically the chain tension and it's smoothness!! Buy a chain spray that will help you reducing chain lubrication costs!!

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                          • #43
                            arnav

                            Originally posted by qdetty View Post
                            Hi All,

                            I'm a new user of xBHP.com.

                            I own a 2003 model Hero Honda Splendor. I have decided to exchange this bike for a new model, probably for a 125 cc bike.

                            My priorities would be

                            A mileage of around 55 KMPL
                            Decent Re-sale value
                            Low maintenance

                            City (chennai) ride for abt 30 km/day

                            The above priorities are not really numbered and these 3 are the fore-runners. I considered, as the title goes, the brand to be Honda, Yamaha & Suzuki. I do not want to go to Hero Honda as their service has gone from Worse to worst recently. My preference wouldn't allow me for Bajaj & TVS. So, deciding btw Yamaha SS 125 vs Suzuki Slingshot plus vs Honda Shine.

                            Yamaha SS125:
                            On-road price - 62k. Bike looks good and a solid feel. But, I don't know about its mileage and its maintenance.

                            Honda Shine:
                            On-road price of 60K and amileage of 55 KMPL. But, many of my friends informed me abt its vibration issue and the poor after-sales support. I would digest 5 km mileage loss against poor customer care.

                            Suzuki Slingshot plus:
                            On-road price - 55k. But, I'm really blind abt its mileage, maintenance, service. But, its just my perception that this company would really do good service in order to sustain in the Indian market.

                            Guys, help me choose a bike satisfying my "soft" constraints.

                            Thank you
                            slingshot has the best mileage, more or less 60 kmpl.
                            shine- 4 gear, both slingshot and ss have 5 gear.
                            shine is uncle-type bike, not for coolege students. you will get better speed with ss followed by slingshot.
                            ss has less mileage but good engine.
                            all the 3 bikes are more or less good, as they are from reputed families.
                            test-drive each, check the availability of service centres and choose one, you won't regret.

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