Sampath - There're lots more to talk than penning down the points here; you can check my T'Logs here in xBhp & I too am a middle aged person like Ramesh & you & Sriram.

My one year ownership is summarized here - http://www.xbhp.com/talkies/828426-post.html. This is just to show how much I enjoyed with my motorcycle & not to promote any brand/product.

My intention of this post in one sentence is - Just relook at your needs in a more practical way; you can find out the bike that is suitable for you by yourself. Budget is the last thing to play in any selection because the priority should be given on buying based on needs.

For a tourer a p220 would be great. Be it its riding posture or the mileage. Even the zma is great but if u feel its too old fashioned and is dying den y not look out for the zmr? Its an awesome sports tourer and can without any effort maintain da speeds u desire for a long time. Being an owner myself i've travelled 600kms in a day on ma zmr. The riding posture according to me is comfortable than a p220 and even the mileage is great. Oly problem is the dim lighting which can be upgraded to a hid. I never felt any great vibrations but if u do u can get ur fairing tightened.. Its the best sports tourer according to me and its built for highways. That 600kms which i did on ma bike was simply amazing. Promise of a good FE wit great quality. Test ride it once to know for sure.. Cheers!

I am not considering Pulsar 200NS after seeing some pics poster on its ownership thread.It ha a bend forward rising position and the body weight will be passed on to the wrists and handlebar resulting in pains.So that's out for sure.

Should i wait till Diwali for any new releases...just in case!Its only 3 months away.

People have mostly penned on bike skid, i din't see any skiding while i ride, Becuase i am a R15 owner and know what real cornering and excellent handling means at over 100kmph.

So i am always aware that don't expect the expertise of R15 from Awenger and Vise versa. R15 can't be comfortable ever compare to any tourer or cruiser bike.

CBR still won't be as comfortable as Awenger either, but it has more power/Speed/ little relaxed posture/advanced tech@ 1.7L compare to 90k Awenger.

Aargee Sirji.... You are talking of shedding few more 60-70k from Sampath's pocket!!!

Sirji CBR @ 1.7L is one of the legend.

The three bikes mentioned are around 90ks so advising on 1.7L will be more certain of a Drop.

Else i would have suggested CL350 or CL500 great on touring!! Don't Mind Please !!

Congrats for 1yr with CBR!!!

I am too looking for some higher cc Sport Bike, waiting for my time to Ninja or upgraded R15 with 250cc!!! I envy you Sirjii...CBR wale!!!

What would be special ??? nothing! We din't hear any new bigger bike been launched or any rumors on Pulsar siblings upgrades, Awenger is already upgraded to 20cc more lol... But nice one!!

Unless i can change the handle bar to offer a slightly upright riding position.....any possibilities?

Oh!!! did I? Did I suggest him CBR 250R? Pls show me, that should be a mistake

Typically how things work around here is, if someone is an owner of that bike, they think everyone else should buy that, barring few people.

I never suggest any bike for anyone, instead I only guide them to choose one. Every bike has its own pros & flaws. A few people said Avenger could do 120 Kmph, let it even do 150, what about panic braking? Trust me, it kills; that is where bikes like CBR, Ninja, R1, S1000RR rocks; speed & control. So am I against Avenger? No, I'm only against those crazy speeds on that bike, unless, they want to spend a lot of time in training & training. Somewhere in xBhp I came across a statement that said, only 20% of training will be used under emergency situation, so I leave that aside.

Again, on RE, try extended non stop riding on potholed roads, the shock waves are sent right from L5 to Spine unless one rides slow. Want to know about CBR or Ninja, there're even plenty (since I'm experienced more with them).

This is what I was trying to say on DEFINE THE NEED because ones needs isn't everyone's need!!!

@Somen1984 You seem to be a staunch supporter of the Bajaj Avenger. May I ask have you actually ever done any tours on the Avenger (its not Awenger BTW, its really sad that you are the only one among 46,918 xBHPians who uses that wrong spelling)? Riding for short distances is very very different from going on long tours and the entire dynamics change. I happened to take feedback from actual owners about this but what they told me was slightly different.

@Sampath, the P220 also has a similar riding position to the 200NS, but the forward leaned position doesn't equal wrist pains. It helps distribute weight better so that strain all over the body is devided. If you keep the riding position correct, there won't be any strain anywhere even after a 1000km (in a day) ride.

Heading to the showrooms to check out all the 3. Wish me luck gentlemen! :-/

Sampath, it seems you never rode a Karizma. You certainly need to take a test ride of Karizma and have an opinion on it. Karizma suits your needs better.

lol frankly speaking when i went on a 400km trip(1st trip)ona unicorn , i suffered a horrible lower back pain but on a short trip of 200km on 220 i didnt come across any such thing im not saying p220 is more comfortable then unicorn , but ull get used to that im couple of weeks so if you are not against naked bikes better get 200, atleast get a test drive also itll be like your current bike when it comes to vibes!

Your post indirectly pointed him to CBR else what was that post about ?? or A description of your achievements on CBR (kidding)??

Chill brother !! You took it over whole!! nothing like that Dude!!

Don't you think that needs are based over price (mostly 70% people first decide their budget then their need)?? There are many people who would like to have sports bike R1 but settle on R15/Ninja or HD but settle on RE due to price constraints, they are bind to limit.

You gave a good understanding what CBR is capable of but don't you know at what price CBR comes and those 3 bikes??

Now about speed, why to race against speed ?? When Awenger is not made for that!! Neither RE!! Panic braking is very rare, And if you are an Avy or Re owner than avoid such braking!!! sometime a >100kmph is ok but not to always ride it over sports bike feel.

CBR is very different from these bikes here!! CBR is a gem and you know better than us on this!! But CBR comes for 1.7 and 2.15L ABS Price!!

But CBR is CBR !!

But CBR don't give comfort like Awenger/RE!!

Hey Antz Did you enjoyed correcting my Awenger to Avenger ?? Good English Dude!!
Thanks for correcting, it was a Typo!!
BTW people here know what i am pointing too, and they know the spelling too, no one is learning from me here on that!

Personally i don't like Bajaj else i would have opted for P220(where as P220 is more faster than R15) over R15 !!
Infact i am the strong anti-Bajaj. But don't you think Sampat din't ask for any high speed??

90-100kmph can be done easily on Aw(v)enger ?? and top of that it's affordable!!
Did a 500km+ trip on single day with out any stop(apart from pee breaks) Mumbai to Aurangabad !! it took 8hrs, but i din't felt any back aches etc!!

At last Sampat is the one who will decide!! And don't know why Aw(v)enger is
not people favorite in number of 46918???

Comfort or no comfort it's all our choice....People do leh over R15 and Ninja too. So it's all our choice.

But Avy is not at all a bad option, why to speed when that design is not for top speeds !!!

@Sampat if you can go for CBR 250 or 150 both are awesome bikes and capable of touring all day!! Bt it 's over Rs 1.2L

Sampath:- Kindly go ahead with test rides. If you keep looking out for more inputs, definitely going to get tough to decide. If your budget is around 90k, then P220, ZMA-R to choose from. IF you are looking little more from the bike i.e tech, comfort, power style, there's whole lot to choose from.

ZMA or the ZMR.

40+, ZMR owner, ( Instinctive decisions always, on every purchase, err, apart from gifts).

What do I think of it?

almost everyone wanted me to go for something else than this, stated this or that. And some (err hmm the popular term, the Leh'ed), went ZMR/ZMA.

For someone like me, career, family, sudden responsibilities weighing on your shoulder can wipe out a decade off ones life even before you know it.

The whole perspective changes! For someone who could ride on without a plan with no particular reason or time, I have become someone, who has to think, What if? who takes care and stuff. I have been driving from a very very young age, but its the two wheels that always gave me peace.

Gettin back to the ZMR, The longest ride was a trip to Mahabs and back. ( some things change not all, it was a regular veggie run that became the mahabs and back)

Why did I take a risk on the ZMR?
1. HH experience, 2.5L(kms) splendor.
2. Kariz are tried and tested. Proof in this forum, most favored touring bike.
3. Age, as in lack of time to clean the insides of the mudgards, air filter, spark plugs, brake shoes/pad, and lubricate every moving component as say a decade back.
4. In my case, I wanted something reliable, inside the jungle.

Impulse on a 250, ( the same engine perhaps), That would be bang on.

Coming to think of it, I might not even ride to my destinations, transport it, but would spend a week or so, riding 200+ kms/day exploring.


Take a test ride. It is a very comfortable, non-Primate bike. But it does offer a Homo sapien friendly ride. No offense meant to the Orangutanians (envy, dont feel bad guys!) of enviable flexi limbs that do the R15 of different versions.

One crib though, I really thought it would be really really low key and it annoys me when people notice it ( I am not a design fan!). One place Ive gone completely wrong!

Right, but it doesn't mean they HAVE to buy a CBR & its only to share my experience not achievement; sharing experience doesn't have to influence the buyer; its only to clear the myth as what it can do & what it cannot.

Now, your post seems to suggest CBR than mine

You've given the right example as how one should go about buying one

+1
Exactly My friend !! that's what i meant !!
How can we ask people to by it only!! We can just suggest. And your achievemnts have made me to turn towards CBR!!
Yes, Becuase people thought that i am against CBR (which is not)or someone's capability!