No such Helmet compulsion in Pune, so we should ride with goggles without helmet! Is it?

Just FYI, a properly windshield will help deflect the airflow from your entire upper body, not just the eyes. But since the Avenger windshield is so big, I doubt it will cause any positive change in the FE.

Well then, no comments!!

Agree. Size plus the fact that the windshield is quite upright as opposed to other bikes that have a slight slant to their windshield that allows the bike to cut through the wind, assuming the rider also crouches. In avenger it is like a wall battering through the wind with no streamlines whatsoever.

Comparing a TBTS with avenger is not proper ( IMO though ).

TBTS .... what do you want to do with this bike. Anything is possible. Ask a bulleter and he will say.
Man this is after all a huge bike. Its not for every one. Its heavier, you ahve to get accustomed to this. But i can guarantee you one thing, once you ride this , you will feel that avenger is no where near to it.
Its about the feeling, and about immense torque that the engine produces.
That feel of the torque compared to the avenger is a big boon in the traffic and also anywhere.
And the maintenance part:: any bike will have problems. Its not new. And the new UCE engines are far far better than the old ones, and you have to go for servicing once in 3k kms, and oil change is every 6.5k kms. So i dont think that you have to think too much.



About avenger:
its the same engine of the pulsar220. Gets too much heated up. Thus the seals will get screwed very easily. Its very very common to change the oil seals. I had two pulsar220 in the past, and i have faced lots.
this engine is not hassle free also. the clutch plate that they give is not at all reliable and you have to feel that.
Once you cross the 10k mark you will feel the maintenance going up hugely.

the good part of avenger is that its pretty low, and good for people who are not tall enough. Its good for people who dont want to wait for a bike.
Other good fact about this is the avenger has got good thick rear tyre.


Only one thing to every one here.
A bullet is always a bullet. until you ride it, you will not feel it.
And no bikes are hassle free bikes. Even Harley has problems.
If you want to have a bike that will be awesome and that will be better than a lot on the roads, then go for TBTS.
Avenger is nothing but a show piece.

Very true Surajit Bro....

As I have suggested earlier....take your wife with you and have a ~2 kilometers testride of both the cruisers....you both can take a suitable decision together.


And of the wind shield I think it is just for weather protection and I don't feel it adds to the aerodynamics of the bike and may not have any effect on the average if driven sanely.

a bullet is a bullet, you don't compare it with other bikes.

if your heart says bullet, go for it.

you will never be able to purchase a bullet, the moment you start comparing it with other bikes and start to use your brain. bullet is connected to heart, not brain.

it is something like a vintage bike, purchased new...

..lol...

But one of the best Super Kool Statement!!
WoW !! Riding without Helmet falshing gogles and smile on face with big hairs ..awesome !! I would prefer this Antz any time!! Becuase i know at what speed i should be to enjoy the ride i.e 30-40kmph...lol..
But how come helmet is not necessary in Pune???..
But i don't think this statement fits on avenger's windshield... becuase once i had ridden with windshield too and i observe still dust/wind were kicking my eyes, when i was not wearing helmet!! I guess we need more some sort of design changes in Avenger to properly go with windshield!!

Very true guys ...
More over a bullet is a different league bike. Avenger is just a kid in front of it. To achieve what bullet has , avenger will take ages.
And to do that they have to do a lot of stuff.

And comparing these two bikes is like an insult to the TBTS .

And i can say one thing more here.
The windshield and all are not good.
After a couple of months once the windshield becomes old, it will have lots and lots of scratches because of the dust and mud. That time it will become hard to see through it.
Its better not to get one.
And windshield will not increase the aerodynamics of the bike, and neither will it help in stopping the dust. Its just a style statement. To make it more effective, a lot of stuff has to be done.

Gosh!! Why is it very rare to find a bulleteer who comes up with proper points in a discussion rather than superficial comments like Bullet is in a different league, other bikes are kid, bulleteers are real men etc?

I agree to a certain extent that it is a legendary brand, a purchase that comes from heart and not from head. But is nt it so because you really cant justify a 350cc motor making 18 PS power and 28 Nm torque and takes a yawn inducing 7 secs to 60 and 25 secs to 100. Well unless as I said before, you are climbing mountains or moving houses all the time. Even for climbing mountains you have other bikes that perform as good as a Bullet if not better.

Its ok to love your bike but calling other bikes kids!! Thats heights!!

Is it so difficult to be not smitten by ones bike so as to think logically and list out the pros and cons? Even for the purpose of a discussion?

I am outa here!!

PLease explain !! I am eager to know what Avenger doesn't have that TBTS has apart from torque!! Please please through some light here so that we all xbhpians can get graduated on this topic too!!

One more surprising line ...WoW!! Super Kool Bro...But please xplain!!

Actually i was in impression that Avenger rides well, top end is nice than TBTS, handling is nice, and tech used is also nice, SVC is nice, spare parts are affordable, any road side mech can repair it!!

But i was wrong!! please let me know!!
Bro these all statements are hypothetical statements only!! RE can't even be better to a 150cc bike also..

RE has good comfort and weight that's it!! Unnecessarily people are waiting for more than a yr for CL models and other models for months??? why??

If they improve the tech more and deisgns then it will be worth..thump and sound days are gone!! few praised the thump and sound major abused it for leaking and break down!! It's a bike for ages, but no one has good memories of it rather than how frequent they visit SVC or garage!!
True!!

Actually i always think RE models comes in which design or segment?? with whom should we compare it ??

Becuase today even a 150cc makes it to smoke!! So what to do with 350cc or 500cc ??
Still thinking on RE !!! where as i mysef have booked RE 350CL

Bro Its like comparing a Yamah R125 with the Harley Iron 883.
Yamaha can easily smoke the harley on the tracks ...

if you know the engine structure, then you should understand the difference between a long bore engine and a short bore one and you should not compare a 150 cc Yamaha with the RE or even the Avenger ....


Thats why i said that both are different ....
And its more comfortable on a TBTS compared to the avenger.
Ride with the 19" wheels one day, and then you will understand why and how that makes it so comfortable...

Why RE is from a different league ....
Try understanding something, engine power does not justify anything.
You are talking about smoking, come to the hills with steep climb, then with two people on board try to smoke the RE.
I dont think you will even be able to go beyond your 2-3 gear max. Where as RE will go in 4-5th gear.
Thats the difference.

The Avenger engine is the same as the P220 engine, with some different tweaks.
Please guys dont compare vehicles which are different.
It will be too foolish ....

Bro. it's not about track but normal roads with normal conditions only!!

Where will you find Hilly terrains all time ?? Just to judge a RE torque ??
Don't compare RE with R15/R125, they are altogether very different.
But if you compare HUnk/Pulsar...etc then you can see that mere 150cc power is well balanced with it's design to handle the speed. Which is not in case of RE at all.

Re gives you torque that's it. Then this bike should be hilly boy!! Which is loved there a lot.

There is more to a bike than just checking torque with 2 people on board on hilly roads?? Speed/Stability/Braking are something where RE lacks a big leap.

HD is something good on their part with goo techs atleast, and they are super stable at what speed they run.

In Short RE should balance the engine power and speed with handling.

Any one would love to have a 350cc bike with good 180kmph atleast with 30-35bhp and well stabled design and handling.

What the use of riding a RE at 120 and fearing about the stability and braking ??

If you want to ride slow then oone should buy a 150cc or 100cc which will indeed work with 100kmph and stable ride with handling.

Long bore or Short bore , it's should be stable and good balanced with speed and braking.

How many bullets did you own to say all these ??
I really doubt on that .....
Also I think you should read what i wrote properly ...
I never compared ... I in fact said that u cannot compare because its a long bore engine ....

A bullet is not stable at 120 ... thats something very new to me ....
please shed your immense knowledge about the bullets man ....

Do you think i should one, where as my current ride is R15 ??
Are you serioud you don't know about RE not stable beyond 120kmph ??

Ride it one to 120kmph and seehow they behave + try to brake from 115kmph and see how close does it stop.

IN my family mostly all relative own STD and Elctra.
IN my group there are 2 CL350, 1 Elctra and 1 CL500. and i keep riding this. So now you can understand how much would have ridden it??
Why should we not compare with other bikes ?? they are cost more than normal bikes and etc..
Regarding RE i guess you should go through ownership thread of TBTS, Electra and CL500 then you might come to know about the facts of RE.

As per me, one should buy RE only knowing it's CONs rather than it's PROS.

Man you may ride it for some time , but i live with it....
I have owned 2 REs, 2 P220, one R15.
I know what RE is ...
Now i have a RE only.

you need to know how to brake on an RE before you take that to 120 my friend .... because RE is a different bike.
And sure i have done 120 on my TBTS. not once .... but lots of time ....
If you have faced some problem above the 100km mark then surely there was some problem with the front.

Bro understand this, the RE engine is totally different from the avenger engine. Because avenger engine was made for the P220.
See any cruisers in this world, they all are long bore engine. But where as the Avenger one is a short one. Also there are other characteristics that should be there, but not.

And without owning an RE, I dont think that you should comment on the pros and cons .....
Every bike has got cons mate ... its nothing bad ....
I hope that you understand that cruisers are different from a normal bike. This is what I am trying to say .... and avenger no way even close to any cruiser .... it does not have the characteristics of a cruiser ....

And RE, man you need to own it to understand it. Just by riding once will not fetch you any thing ...

And you are true .... RE is not for you, it will never be

And your arrogance is pretty visible, as you dont know what technology any bike runs on, and what a bike can do with it.
just going by the manual you try to justify a lot.
Get you hands dirty and learn the basics about the engine, the differences and all.
its pretty hard to explain a fool.

Absolutely ... Really it's hard to explain a fool !!

Your all lines are from a RE lover, not practical.

It's really a waste of time explaining.

And a person don't need to own a bike for knowing it's Pros or cons, else all the initial reviews posted by the senior people about the latest bikes won't have worth.

Rider needs to feel it precisely on each Kms he ride it.
OK for you RE is the coolest bike of world, Avenger is the worst bike of the world.

Crusiers are by design not by engines alone. And TBTS/RE is no where to a crusier. IF so then even you don't know the practcial of TBTS.