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**The Monk** · 02-22-2013, 11:56 AM

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**evyavan** · 02-22-2013, 12:26 PM

Haha. All the requirements point to one result. RE! Tourer, city rider what ever you do, go for an RE. BTW, it's just my opinion. If I were you I'll be waiting for at least 50 different opinions. [Though I never asked for an opinion when I bought my bike.

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**bbsrailfan** · 02-22-2013, 01:07 PM

Originally posted by vijay666 View Post

My Requirements :
- decent mileage of 35kmpl(approx.)
- Maintainance
- reliable engine. (my driving gets like a racer when i have to keep up with sports bikes)
- A long drive engine i.e, high speed stability and comfort.
- Pillion comfort is not really a necessity but would like it if possible.
- good lean angle

Summing up your requirements, I guess a Duke200 or a P200NS would do you good. A P200NS is slightly more comfortable than a duke.

Coming to your shortlisted bikes:

Karizma ZMA/ZMR:
The ZMA/ZMR are very good touring machines with good torque and great comfort for rider and pillion. They are not very happy when revved hard. They have very reliable engines and can go on and on if you take them for a relaxed touring but they aren't too good if you are power hungry.

Duke 200/P200NS:
The D200/P200NS should meet your requirements pretty well. They are very revvy, best-in-class pick-up (though I'd advice you to drive safe and not to drag-race with other bikers on streets) and the new engines are pretty reliable. Bajaj spares are easily available and not very expensive, though KTM may be slightly pricey. The P200NS is a comfortable machine for rider and pillion, but the Duke is best without a pillion - but when it comes to acceleration, Duke is faster.

If you know anyother bike that suits my requirement please feel free to suggest it
Do check out the P220 or the Avenger.

RE
If you are a RE fan, no other bike in the world can make you happy. But if you aren't a die-hard RE fan, most of your other choices would make better sense.

**vijay666** · 02-22-2013, 06:04 PM

Originally posted by The Monk View Post

Query Approved

Thanks for approving my query

Originally posted by evyavan View Post

Haha. All the requirements point to one result. RE! Tourer, city rider what ever you do, go for an RE. BTW, it's just my opinion. If I were you I'll be waiting for at least 50 different opinions. [Though I never asked for an opinion when I bought my bike.

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Yea the first time i thought of a bike i thought it was P180 or r15 for sure but then again i started wondering and they gone out of my list somehow and as for RE i have never ridden a RE and i am kinda a revving kinda guy.. I drive slow 60% of the time but sometimes the beat of the bike gives me an adrenaline rush and i cant resist it. Its like a drug to me. So wondering if i would love RE. From what i heard u either fall in love with RE or u dont thats it.

Originally posted by bbsrailfan View Post

Summing up your requirements, I guess a Duke200 or a P200NS would do you good. A P200NS is slightly more comfortable than a duke.

Coming to your shortlisted bikes:

Karizma ZMA/ZMR:
The ZMA/ZMR are very good touring machines with good torque and great comfort for rider and pillion. They are not very happy when revved hard. They have very reliable engines and can go on and on if you take them for a relaxed touring but they aren't too good if you are power hungry.

Duke 200/P200NS:
The D200/P200NS should meet your requirements pretty well. They are very revvy, best-in-class pick-up (though I'd advice you to drive safe and not to drag-race with other bikers on streets) and the new engines are pretty reliable. Bajaj spares are easily available and not very expensive, though KTM may be slightly pricey. The P200NS is a comfortable machine for rider and pillion, but the Duke is best without a pillion - but when it comes to acceleration, Duke is faster.

If you know anyother bike that suits my requirement please feel free to suggest it
Do check out the P220 or the Avenger.

RE
If you are a RE fan, no other bike in the world can make you happy. But if you aren't a die-hard RE fan, most of your other choices would make better sense.

ZMA/ZMR is not revv happy??

BTW i dont redline my bike exept it may happen only once a bluemoon. But i do shift around 5~7k rpm Does the bike smoothen out at that rpm range or would it suffer?? (I know the bikes could resist it but i dont want the bike to suffer it would feel a little sad if the engine beat is ruined even if its only temporary like how it happens in Pulsars after a hard run)

For Pulsar 200, is the engine reliable? BAL isnt actually know for its reliability ( MY experience from having a CD-100 and Pulsar UGiV at my house) + one of my friends own a P200 and for him the mileage went upto 20 and he doesnt even drive his machine hard. The max he rode after like 4 months of owning it is 100 now it went upto 35 but from the start it went from 40 to 20 then now to 35. The unstability scares me a lil.
For Duke 200, i LOVE the beat (Makes me warm sometimes) i love the seating and the display console is a-w-e-s-o-m-e. I actually fallen in love with the bike but the only 4 concerns for the bike is
- Will the mileage drop below 25? (If it drops can i recover it back to 35?)
- Is the pillion seat really really bad? (I would drop my mom at my aunt's house and i dont want her to walk the next time if she doesnt wanna hop on my bike)
- Is it really high maintainance?
- If anyone except me from my family goes out for a spin does it badly affect the engine or mileage or the bike in anyway?

As for Avenger, I never ridden one either so thinking if I would like it and never actually looked forward to an avenger though no offence..
As for P220, After a hard run the pulsar engine kinda gets tired or it sounds to me that way so i dont wanna have that in my bike and more over i might keep my bike for a while coz after graduation when i get settled in planning on buying a Ninja or a bandit for long drives so i need this bike to survive the odds and i exactly dont know if the bike might survive with out losing its beat (I driven a 220 but havnt had it long enough to know about it.

**bbsrailfan** · 02-22-2013, 07:21 PM

Originally posted by vijay666 View Post

ZMA/ZMR is not revv happy??

BTW i dont redline my bike exept it may happen only once a bluemoon. But i do shift around 5~7k rpm Does the bike smoothen out at that rpm range or would it suffer?? (I know the bikes could resist it but i dont want the bike to suffer it would feel a little sad if the engine beat is ruined even if its only temporary like how it happens in Pulsars after a hard run)

The ZMA/ZMR can be pushed to 8000RPM - but the twins are happiest when they are at 5000-6000 RPM. They do 80kph at 5000 RPM - 96km/h at 6000 RPM all throughout the day without complain.

Originally posted by vijay666 View Post

For Pulsar 200, is the engine reliable? BAL isnt actually know for its reliability ( MY experience from having a CD-100 and Pulsar UGiV at my house) + one of my friends own a P200 and for him the mileage went upto 20 and he doesnt even drive his machine hard. The max he rode after like 4 months of owning it is 100 now it went upto 35 but from the start it went from 40 to 20 then now to 35. The unstability scares me a lil.

I have used a P200NS for a decent period of time and have covered 800+ kms on it. The torque is excellent right from 3000 RPM and the engine is happiest at 7000-8000 RPM - it's an all-rounder machine. I had taken the NS for 2 long rides of 150kms+ and on both occasions, I have ridden it at 110-115 kph and have still managed a FE of 32-34. You could check the P200NS ownership thread here on xbhp or consult some owners regarding the long-term reliability. But frankly speaking, ALL bikes have some issue or the other - and that includes my bike as well.

Originally posted by vijay666 View Post

- Will the mileage drop below 25? (If it drops can i recover it back to 35?)
- Is the pillion seat really really bad? (I would drop my mom at my aunt's house and i dont want her to walk the next time if she doesnt wanna hop on my bike)
- Is it really high maintainance?
- If anyone except me from my family goes out for a spin does it badly affect the engine or mileage or the bike in anyway?

- No idea on the mileage on a D200 - maybe others can help.
- Mom, dad, uncles, aunts, grandpas and grandmas are not suitable as a pillion on D200. Maybe a girlfriend can fit in, provided she has got a zero-figure!
- Again no idea. I had never had any attraction towards the Duke (no offence to anybody!)
- Ideally it shouldn't - the D200 enjoys a hard revving once in a while and can go faster than your cousins would dare to push her!

**vijay666** · 02-28-2013, 01:44 PM

Originally posted by bbsrailfan View Post

I have used a P200NS for a decent period of time and have covered 800+ kms on it. The torque is excellent right from 3000 RPM and the engine is happiest at 7000-8000 RPM - it's an all-rounder machine. I had taken the NS for 2 long rides of 150kms+ and on both occasions, I have ridden it at 110-115 kph and have still managed a FE of 32-34. You could check the P200NS ownership thread here on xbhp or consult some owners regarding the long-term reliability. But frankly speaking, ALL bikes have some issue or the other - and that includes my bike as well.

My only concern is that NS is a carb and i been told that FI is better than carbs ( though carbs is tested and proven ) and heard that FI can give better mileage and maintain mileage than carbs and + FI can be faster and better n every way..

Originally posted by bbsrailfan View Post

- No idea on the mileage on a D200 - maybe others can help.
- Mom, dad, uncles, aunts, grandpas and grandmas are not suitable as a pillion on D200. Maybe a girlfriend can fit in, provided she has got a zero-figure!
- Again no idea. I had never had any attraction towards the Duke (no offence to anybody!)
- Ideally it shouldn't - the D200 enjoys a hard revving once in a while and can go faster than your cousins would dare to push her!

Can any other Duke owners help me out with my query on the Duke?
- I got one other question. Can we custom limit the rev limiter via the console of duke to say 5k RPM with out flashing the ECU or making any change to stock?

**Red_Redemption** · 02-28-2013, 02:23 PM

Originally posted by vijay666 View Post

For Pulsar 200, is the engine reliable? BAL isnt actually know for its reliability ( MY experience from having a CD-100 and Pulsar UGiV at my house) + one of my friends own a P200 and for him the mileage went upto 20 and he doesnt even drive his machine hard. The max he rode after like 4 months of owning it is 100 now it went upto 35 but from the start it went from 40 to 20 then now to 35. The unstability scares me a lil.

I have covered 12k km on my NS in the last 6 months.. the bike has returned consistent 40kmpl under hard acceleration.. some owners get lower and some higher average.. Might be the way we measure km (some do full tank to full tank, while some like me do reserve to reserve method) or even riding style.. so i cant comment on the reliability, but you dont have to worry about fluctuating average (unless you start fiddling with the engine/carb settings)

Originally posted by vijay666 View Post

For Duke 200, i LOVE the beat (Makes me warm sometimes) i love the seating and the display console is a-w-e-s-o-m-e. I actually fallen in love with the bike but the only 4 concerns for the bike is
- Is the pillion seat really really bad? (I would drop my mom at my aunt's house and i dont want her to walk the next time if she doesnt wanna hop on my bike)

in my opinion, the pillion seat on the duke come in at a close tie with the r15v2, for the most uncomfortable pillion seat.. for that matter, though the NS has a much more comfy pillion seat, it is still too high for my mom (or anyone wearing traditional indian attire).. apart from the height, another factor making it uncomfortable is the lack of foot rests (not the foot pegs, but the horizontal footrest usually attached to the saree guard

Originally posted by vijay666 View Post

My only concern is that NS is a carb and i been told that FI is better than carbs ( though carbs is tested and proven ) and heard that FI can give better mileage and maintain mileage than carbs and + FI can be faster and better n every way..

comparing carb vs fi
carb - simpler construction, bike will start even if battery is dead, any mechanic can fix problems in an absolute emergency, (in my opinion) one of the reasons the NS faces a flat spot in acceleration at 7000rpm
FI - one of the reasons the duke is more expensive, dunno if bike will start on a dead battery (owners please let us know) BUT you will get consistent performance and mileage figures every time.

comparing the average of the duke and NS, the duke has shorter gearing than the ns.. so it will accelerate faster, but at cruising speeds say 90kmph.. the ns hits 90 at 7000rpm in 6th gear.. the duke might hit it at a slightly higher rpm.. so all factors apart (driving style, acceleration), driven at similar speeds the duke will return lower average than the ns

**bbsrailfan** · 02-28-2013, 02:44 PM

Originally posted by vijay666 View Post

My only concern is that NS is a carb and i been told that FI is better than carbs ( though carbs is tested and proven ) and heard that FI can give better mileage and maintain mileage than carbs and + FI can be faster and better n every way..

Yes, the NS is a carb. But i don't agree that a FI can make your bike "Faster and Better in every way".
Practically speaking, there is little negligible between a FI and a carb in terms of power delivery. But yes, a Fuel Injected engine does return better fuel efficiency. Take for example, the ZMA and the ZMR - they both generate the same power, same torque and same peak speeds but the ZMR offers slightly better mileage due to the FI. .

**Ezilkannan** · 02-28-2013, 08:20 PM

Karizama R/Karizma ZMR
Good, comfortable tourer. You can do long rides with ease. Good for both city and highway riding, but more suited for long rides. But they aren't very revvy and are more subtle in the power band. Decent FE too.

KTM Duke 200 - The best bike that can fit you provided you have the budget. Also note that pillion comfort is literally absent. More suited for solo riders. Excellent power delivery, revs rise incredibly fast. Bit hard on the comfort levels. May not be suitable for long rides. Excellent handler in the streets. Has some of the biggest rear sections out there (150 if I remember right).

RE - If you are a fan of RE, you wouldn't be bothered about other rides. You'll simply go and book one and wait for it eagerly.

Others that are worth to try - P200NS/P220

Originally posted by vijay666 View Post

I got one other question. Can we custom limit the rev limiter via the console of duke to say 5k RPM with out flashing the ECU or making any change to stock?

Why would you do that? I don't think it will do it any good (if it's possible). Its a much rev happy engine. Actually people would think about extending it to higher revs rather than reducing it.

**vijay666** · 03-02-2013, 11:13 AM

Originally posted by Red_Redemption View Post

comparing the average of the duke and NS, the duke has shorter gearing than the ns.. so it will accelerate faster, but at cruising speeds say 90kmph.. the ns hits 90 at 7000rpm in 6th gear.. the duke might hit it at a slightly higher rpm.. so all factors apart (driving style, acceleration), driven at similar speeds the duke will return lower average than the ns

Originally posted by bbsrailfan View Post

Yes, the NS is a carb. But i don't agree that a FI can make your bike "Faster and Better in every way".
Practically speaking, there is little negligible between a FI and a carb in terms of power delivery. But yes, a Fuel Injected engine does return better fuel efficiency. Take for example, the ZMA and the ZMR - they both generate the same power, same torque and same peak speeds but the ZMR offers slightly better mileage due to the FI. .

From the 2 above can we say that duke and NS may return the same mileage from the con and pro cancelling eachother?

@Red_Redumption : what fuel do u fill? speed/speed 97 every time or can anyone fill up 91/87 RON on the ns? can the duke take the same fuel?

And by hard ripping do u mean frequent short burst acceleration? or gradual redlining the bike every gear?

Originally posted by Ezilkannan View Post

Why would you do that? I don't think it will do it any good (if it's possible). Its a much rev happy engine. Actually people would think about extending it to higher revs rather than reducing it.

It does sound weird but I got some "Revv-Maniac" friends.. If i buy a bike surely i have to give some of them a ride (I drive their bikes around more than them the first few weeks but only after the run in ofc and same wit my bike) Hence i dont wanna rip apart the beauty.. Though its revv happy cant bear the thought of redlining it every gear with in the first 6 months..

**Ezilkannan** · 03-02-2013, 12:19 PM

Originally posted by vijay666 View Post

From the 2 above can we say that duke and NS may return the same mileage from the con and pro cancelling eachother?

@Red_Redumption : what fuel do u fill? speed/speed 97 every time or can anyone fill up 91/87 RON on the ns? can the duke take the same fuel?

And by hard ripping do u mean frequent short burst acceleration? or gradual redlining the bike every gear?

It does sound weird but I got some "Revv-Maniac" friends.. If i buy a bike surely i have to give some of them a ride (I drive their bikes around more than them the first few weeks but only after the run in ofc and same wit my bike) Hence i dont wanna rip apart the beauty.. Though its revv happy cant bear the thought of redlining it every gear with in the first 6 months..

Duke will return lower mileage than NS, because its got much higher power and revs higher than NS. It can take normal unleaded petrol too, its not absolutely necessary to fill up with RON 97 petrol and as far as I know, the normal unleaded petrol is RON 95. I haven't heard of RON 87 petrol are you sure about that? But if its being sold, I would stay away from them, because 87 is too low and may affect the performance of the engine.
Regarding your friends, even I got some maniacs who ride without any care for both their lives as well as those on the roads. But there is a far simpler solution. Don't give your ride to them. That's what I'm gonna do when I get mine.

Only I will ride it

**vijay666** · 03-03-2013, 10:25 AM

Thanks for your reply guys

From what i hear from you guys my new list :
(My preference List)

1) KTM Duke 200 (I require some help from my bike owners but i seen ppl describe her as "")
2) Pulsar 200NS (From what i heard here its a definite winner)
3) Karizma R (Yea I definitely love this bike one hell of a gem)
3) RE (Havnt Test Driven it and dk i i would like it or not)
4) Pulsar 220 ( Havent heard much cons about it exept Engine beat in pulsar usually dies after a hard run and about its breaks)
5) If u have any other suggestions feel free..

My budget can go upto on road price of duke so would appreciate it if u help me out..

Can u guys choose in which order you would prefer your bike? and if possible why..

**bbsrailfan** · 03-04-2013, 03:29 PM

Originally posted by vijay666 View Post

(My preference List)

1) KTM Duke 200 (I require some help from my bike owners but i seen ppl describe her as "")
2) Pulsar 200NS (From what i heard here its a definite winner)
3) Karizma R (Yea I definitely love this bike one hell of a gem)
3) RE (Havnt Test Driven it and dk i i would like it or not)
4) Pulsar 220 ( Havent heard much cons about it exept Engine beat in pulsar usually dies after a hard run and about its breaks)
5) If u have any other suggestions feel free..

My budget can go upto on road price of duke so would appreciate it if u help me out..

Can u guys choose in which order you would prefer your bike? and if possible why..

My order of preference would be:
1. P200NS (easier to maintain than KTM, pillion comfort, slightly better FE, better highway rider than KTM).
2. D200 (crazy acceleration, excellent city bike for single rider)
3. P220 (good highway rider, comfortable, OEM projector lamps, slightly rough)
4. ZMA (Excellent for relaxed cruising, very comfortable, outdated looks)
5. RE (Not really a RE fan - I prefer sport tourers)

**Red_Redemption** · 03-04-2013, 03:47 PM

Originally posted by vijay666 View Post

From the 2 above can we say that duke and NS may return the same mileage from the con and pro cancelling eachother?

theoretically the ns should return higher average.. but while driving in the real world, there are countless other factors influencing the average.. like i said, it would be best if u go thru the ownership thread to see the average most ppl get

Originally posted by vijay666 View Post

@Red_Redumption : what fuel do u fill? speed/speed 97 every time or can anyone fill up 91/87 RON on the ns? can the duke take the same fuel?

And by hard ripping do u mean frequent short burst acceleration? or gradual redlining the bike every gear?

I fill Shell standard fuel.. never tried the premium or higher octane fuels.. I am happy with the performance and the average (40kmpl)
By hard ripping i mean that i am either downshifting and accelerating or braking.. no cruising or constant speeds with the ns :P once u get the revs past 7000, the acceleration is breathtaking (not as violent as the ktm tho)

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