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**The Monk** · 04-26-2013, 12:31 PM

Re: Suggestion needed for next Ride: Yamaha R15 or Karizma R or any other Bike

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**bbsrailfan** · 04-26-2013, 12:41 PM

Re: Suggestion needed for next Ride: Yamaha R15 or Karizma R or any other Bike

Originally posted by powerShift View Post

Hi Guys,

1. on touring, it should cruise well with less stress on engine at 100 - 110 kmph for longer time
2. nice handling over the corners and at highspeeds.
3. low engine vibs (imp factor)
4. nice low end torque for zig zag riding in Mumbai's traffic and on ghats as well (plannig to visit ladakh this year)
5. mileage at least 35-40 kmpl with the riding style mentioned above.
6. comfirt sitting for long rides.(not neccessarily upright, but it should be comfirtable)
7. looks doesn't matter much to me.
8. it should match the performance of ZMA and P220 in both cities and highways. The reason is, I would be riding with my freinds. When I ride RX they have to cruise slow because of me.

Between the ZMA and the R15, go for the ZMA. R15 handles really great, but that's all. R15 is not very good for city traffic due to it's low torque and won't be as comfortable as a ZMA on long tours. ZMR is a good option giving slightly better FE compared to the ZMA due to it's fuel-injection, and the newer ZMRs are marginally more refined compared to older ones. Among other options, you can look for a used CBR250. Pulsar 200NS is an excellent bike for daily usage as well as touring, but lacks wind protection as it's a naked bike. All these bikes (ZMA, ZMR, 200NS, CBR) can easily cruise at 100+ all day.

**rx100.7050** · 04-26-2013, 12:41 PM

Re: Suggestion needed for next Ride: Yamaha R15 or Karizma R or any other Bike

Is price the only barrier or you don't want to go beyond these two brands?

**mid** · 04-26-2013, 01:02 PM

Re: Suggestion needed for next Ride: Yamaha R15 or Karizma R or any other Bike

Originally posted by powerShift View Post

Hi Guys,

You can suggest me bike meeting my requirements other than ZMA and R15.

CBR250 is the perfect bike for all your requirements IF you can push your budget

**powerShift** · 04-26-2013, 02:08 PM

Re: Suggestion needed for next Ride: Yamaha R15 or Karizma R or any other Bike

Thanks Monk to approve my query.
Thanks bbsrailfan, rx100.7050 and mid for the quick response.

Originally posted by rx100.7050 View Post

Is price the only barrier or you don't want to go beyond these two brands?

i can go with any brand which is providing bike ~1L with reliability.

**rx100.7050** · 04-26-2013, 02:55 PM

Re: Suggestion needed for next Ride: Yamaha R15 or Karizma R or any other Bike

Originally posted by powerShift View Post

Thanks Monk to approve my query.
Thanks bbsrailfan, rx100.7050 and mid for the quick response.

i can go with any brand which is providing bike ~1L with reliability.

I would rate R15V2 as bit technologically better than ZMA.

**bbsrailfan** · 04-26-2013, 03:15 PM

Re: Suggestion needed for next Ride: Yamaha R15 or Karizma R or any other Bike

Originally posted by rx100.7050 View Post

I would rate R15V2 as bit technologically better than ZMA.

Bit? R15 is actually lot better and lot advanced than the ZMA when it comes to technology!
But when it comes to touring and comfort, as well as the rideability in bumper-to-bumper traffic, the R15 loses out - not saying that it's hopeless, but yes, a rider will get frustrated with the low torque and the committed riding position.
Moreover, they say, there is no replacement for displacement!

powerShift if your budget is ~1L, look for the ZMR (preferred over ZMA due to FI) or 200NS (as you don't like the P220). Used CBR250s cost around the same, if you are comfortable with a used bike.

**Eshan-P180** · 04-26-2013, 03:24 PM

Re: Suggestion needed for next Ride: Yamaha R15 or Karizma R or any other Bike

Originally posted by bbsrailfan View Post

Bit? R15 is actually lot better and lot advanced than the ZMA when it comes to technology! Agree

But when it comes to touring and comfort, as well as the rideability in bumper-to-bumper traffic, the R15 loses out - not saying that it's hopeless, but yes, a rider will get frustrated with the low torque and the committed riding position. Not agree, Reason - Riding posture plays an important effect in city traffic as well as touring. Apart, if you use the gears wisely the R15 can rocket before a ZMR in no time. Dont forget, the V2 has remapped ECU than the V1 for city traffic. Comfort wise, Most of the members in the V2 thread complain about wrist and back pain, at one time I did too. But after weeks of practice and the correct posture of seating on the R15 did help me alot. Also, it is a bike which demands you to be fit, frankly speaking let the butter flab be out of the body before you swing your leg over the saddle.

Moreover, they say, there is no replacement for displacement!. Cant comment much on this either

Replies in bold, coming out of personal experience.

ZMR is certainly bulky, also, I wouldn't invest in a company which has no upgrades and has been through separation from a good brand - Thats my opinion on it.

@BBSRAILFAN and TS - CBR 250R would be the perfect upgrade in your case, You may ask BBSRAILFAN more about the bike since he would be in a apt position to give you a direct review.

Just keep one thing in mind, You buy a ZMR, R15, CBR or even a R1 or a scooty for that matter, traffic would be a problem unless you have racing instincts.

**Rakesh Rok** · 04-26-2013, 05:00 PM

Re: Suggestion needed for next Ride: Yamaha R15 or Karizma R or any other Bike

Originally posted by powerShift View Post

Hi Guys,

I ride Yamaha RX 135 4S. I want to preserve two stroke for a longer time so I am in a plan to buy a 4 stroke for daily commute and weekend outings.
My friends have 220 and ZMA. and I had a test ride on both of these bikes. not liked 220 much.
Thinking for R15(used) but dint had a test ride on this bike.

My requirements for next bike are as below.

1. on touring, it should cruise well with less stress on engine at 100 - 110 kmph for longer time
2. nice handling over the corners and at highspeeds.
3. low engine vibs (imp factor)
4. nice low end torque for zig zag riding in Mumbai's traffic and on ghats as well (plannig to visit ladakh this year)
5. mileage at least 35-40 kmpl with the riding style mentioned above.
6. comfirt sitting for long rides.(not neccessarily upright, but it should be comfirtable)
7. looks doesn't matter much to me.
8. it should match the performance of ZMA and P220 in both cities and highways. The reason is, I would be riding with my freinds. When I ride RX they have to cruise slow because of me.
I dont want this to be happen if I am travelling on my upcoming bike too.

My height is 5'8'' weight 70KG. There are two options in front of me.

1. Karizma
2. R15

I guess R15 would be the perfect match for this(as i got to know from online reviews).
Need your suggestions, as i maight be wrong.

You can suggest me bike meeting my requirements other than ZMA and R15.

I strongly recommend you go for the ZMA as it's overall a very good bike, with good looks, nice performance, comfortable, a handler and also matches to the performance of it. . . There are some which the r15 has an upper hand but in comparison to your requirements, the karizma is a better option for you and also if you can further specify your needs, like your budget, etc,. we can tell a better bike than it. . .

**powerShift** · 04-29-2013, 08:20 PM

Re: Suggestion needed for next Ride: Yamaha R15 or Karizma R or any other Bike

thanks for reply guys,
how about Pulsar 200NS?
What cruising speed it provides with 0 vibs? and what is the expected mileage if cruised on 80 -100 kmph?

**bbsrailfan** · 04-29-2013, 11:27 PM

Re: Suggestion needed for next Ride: Yamaha R15 or Karizma R or any other Bike

Cruising speed on a NS is around 100, top speed can go upto 130+. Negligible vibes if maintained well (chain lubed etc etc). Mileage around 35 if you dont cross 100.

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**princesirohi** · 04-30-2013, 01:02 AM

Re: Suggestion needed for next Ride: Yamaha R15 or Karizma R or any other Bike

reply in bold...

Originally posted by powerShift View Post

Hi Guys,

I ride Yamaha RX 135 4S. I want to preserve two stroke for a longer time so I am in a plan to buy a 4 stroke for daily commute and weekend outings.
My friends have 220 and ZMA. and I had a test ride on both of these bikes. not liked 220 much.

what is the exact reason for not liking P220, its a proven bike, time tested. has everything.

Thinking for R15(used) but dint had a test ride on this bike.

My requirements for next bike are as below.

1. on touring, it should cruise well with less stress on engine at 100 - 110 kmph for longer time (P220, R15, ZMA/ZMR, P200NS, TVS Apache RTR 180-ABS(maybe))
2. nice handling over the corners and at highspeeds. (R15, P200NS, RTR-180, P220)- in exact order.
3. low engine vibs (imp factor)-Almost All indian bikes have vibrations at some RPM range so i will exclude this parameter, still if you want to know- R15, ZMR)
4. nice low end torque for zig zag riding in Mumbai's traffic and on ghats as well (plannig to visit ladakh this year) -Nothing beats P220 in this department-(P220, ZMR, RTR180, P200NS, R15)
5. mileage at least 35-40 kmpl with the riding style mentioned above. (all the above bikes are eligible for atleast 35 KMPL)
6. comfort sitting for long rides.(not necessarily upright, but it should be comfortable) (ZMR tops here, then P220, P200NS, Apache 180, R15)
7. looks doesn't matter much to me. ok- still there is no competition to R15 & P200NS
8. it should match the performance of ZMA and P220 in both cities and highways. The reason is, I would be riding with my freinds. When I ride RX they have to cruise slow because of me. ( P200 NS and Apapche 180 can match the performance of P220, R15 can also do so if you are rev happy rider, however, R15 is different level of handling altogether ... much above anything else, one basic flaw, ZMR itself does not match the performance of P220 in terms of pick-up.
I don't want this to be happen if I am traveling on my upcoming bike too.

My height is 5'8'' weight 70KG. There are two options in front of me. an budget is 90K to 1L. for new bike. if i am getting well maintained used then too no probs

1. Karizma
2. R15

I guess R15 would be the perfect match for this(as i got to know from online reviews).
Need your suggestions, as i might be wrong.

You can suggest me bike meeting my requirements other than ZMA and R15.

basic characters of bikes--

(1) ZMR- reliable, relaxed tourer, cruises comfortably at 100 kmph for long distances, and is FI also. however, big, bulky, heavy, less bhp - means it is not meant for zip-zap zoom through crowded city lanes.

(2) R15- excellent handling- most powerful 150 CC bike, extremely rev happy, hi-tech, has FI, easily cruises at 100 kmph on highways, sporty riding position (advantage or disadvantage depends on rider preference). will lag behind bigger CC bikes where slow speed torque is required like steep inclines. also keep in mind, the smaller an engine is, more likely its performance gets adversly effected by load, such as rider weight, pillion weight, bags etc.

(3) Apache 180 ABS- nice handling powerful bike. handling second to R15 only. a bit cramped seating for bigger riders. has some vibrations. excellent throttle response, very good city fighter. can easily cruise at 100 kmpl. ABS is a big advantage, which no other bike has.

(4) P220 -- does not need introduction-- was THE FASTEST INDIAN. excellent power, pick-up, highway high speed stability etc. handling not as good as R15 or apache. excellent city fighter and highway cruiser. best headlight of all. excellent torque. if you are riding a P220, no ohter bike upto 1 lac category can beat you.

(5) P200Ns-- the latest generation pulsar with liquid cooling (R15 is the only other) significantly improved handling, class leading pressed steel perimeter frame. performance on par with P220. does not have FI. very good VFM. headlight not as good as P220.

test ride all and then decide.

one more thing-- TVS Apache, P220 and ZMR are very old bikes and may soon become extint.

R15 & P200NS are the most advanced and latest bikes. i think, you should consider these two only.

btw, you can include CBR150R & Duke also into the equation, if you like.

**punarvasu** · 04-30-2013, 03:44 AM

Re: Suggestion needed for next Ride: Yamaha R15 or Karizma R or any other Bike

Originally posted by princesirohi View Post

R15 & P200NS are the most advanced and latest bikes. i think, you should consider these two only.

btw, you can include CBR150R & Duke also into the equation, if you like.

Friend,

How quickly you add bikes to your list!

**princesirohi** · 04-30-2013, 07:30 PM

Re: Suggestion needed for next Ride: Yamaha R15 or Karizma R or any other Bike

Originally posted by punarvasu View Post

Friend,

How quickly you add bikes to your list!

it was just a suggestion, since he originally mentioned a budget of only upto 1 lakhs i guess, but was already including R15

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