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    Hi all,

    This is Prakash from Madurai, TN. Long time reader, seldom poster. Do have some patience in reading my post as it will be a just a tad long.

    I will be coming to my place in India for a few weeks about two to three months now and plan to have a bike ready for me as soon as I get out of the air plane. I plan to complete all the formalities with the help of my dad and friends from where I am right now.

    I had a P220 two years ago and toured on it a lot, and the things I liked were the torque, the head lamps, the cheap maintenance, reliable engine (not a single issue in the first 10000 km), the best VFM you could get (at that point in time)

    The things I disliked were the vibrations (that remained in my body for like 10 minutes after I got off a 200km ride averaging 100 kmph), the inability to cruise comfortably at speeds above 110 kmph (not sure if this was just my bike, although it had a joeled engine head in it), the bad suspension (well, worse than the cbr of course, not the worst)

    I was dead set on getting the cbr 250r ABS (standard is not an option for me) this time, but then decided against it as i will be using the bike for only three weeks and then it will not be ridden (although it can be started up and kept idling as often as possible), and spending 2.3 lakhs on a bike for three weeks is not a good idea for me. Really liked its suspension (when I had a test ride two years ago), smooth engine, and the fact that it should be able to hold 120 kmph all day long (from what I read in the ownership thread), and that all the major issues in the initial lot of bikes seems to be taken care of now.

    For the above reasons, I decided to get the P220 again (sure that they still sell it, I think, it is still listed on the bajaj website). But I am having this feeling lately that maybe there is a better option out there for a little more money. I believe the only other option is the pulsar 200 NS (the duke 200 seems to be a bit short geared, and I don't like that; the duke 390 is overkill for me, the ninja and the hyosung over priced and out of reach logistically too; not a fan of the bullet family; suzuki inazuma is out of the question; the hastur will be an untested bike on the road even if available at that time; the pulsar 400s are again, overkill for me).

    So in summary folks, what I have narrowed down as my choices are the P220 and the P200NS:

    1) P220 over the NS:
    a) simple to maintain by even my mechanic (read carburettor vs FI)
    b) driveability at night (love the projector/ellipsoidal setup)
    c)I know the bike from the past
    d)wont go to absolute ruin if unridden for a year
    e) looks more macho than the NS (HUGE ly personal opinion, this one)
    f) The fairing (not sure if the 200 NS is comfortable for touring at all, with regards to the wind blast factor)

    2) P200NS over the P220:
    a) lighter
    b) guessing the 6th gear and the liquid cooling makes the engine less stressful at cruising speeds
    c) lesser vibrations (from hearsay of course)
    d) spares might be easier to locate (again, based on the fact that the P220 looks like it might be discontinued soon, judging from the lack of upgrades after the speed lines edition)
    e)better suspension (pretty sure it is monoshock)


    I guess it all boils down to these two factors:

    1) Is the 200 NS bad for cruising at 100-120 for extended periods of time (read all day), from a perspective of an engine screaming for mercy at those speeds and that of the wind blast at those speeds and the night time visibility
    2) Does the city driving of the 200NS involve a lot of gear shift? (please compare to the 220 in your mind and not the duke 200)


    If you have made it to this part of my rant, kudos to you and thanks.

    Please guys, help me out in selecting the better of the two, and I am very very open for other suggestions that I have not mentioned in my post too .

    Thanks in advance.

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    Re: Hoping for some clarity in my options....a bike for touring

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    • #3
      Re: Hoping for some clarity in my options....a bike for touring

      Originally posted by dgprakash View Post
      Please guys, help me out in selecting the better of the two, and I am very very open for other suggestions that I have not mentioned in my post too .

      Thanks in advance.
      Hi Prakash.

      Welcome to India in advance!

      Now,
      1. Both P220 and NS are carb'ed bikes. No FI yet! P200SS may have FI.
      2. Both can cruise at 110-115 kmph. What's the need to do 120+ speeds? Where are the roads? How many minutes would you save in a day?
      3. NS is a better handler, but rubbish stock tires. Swap the front with R15's tire. Rear can be Michelin.
      4. P220 has better lamps due to the projector setup. Nothing can be done here. But better bulbs from Philips/Osram can be used on the NS.
      5. Both can lie for over a year unused with few cranks and idling at regular intervals (oil change as needed)

      Buy the NS and make these small changes.
      Got a $5 head? Get a $5 helmet.
      Because everyone who passes, isn't a martyr!

      Bullet Service Guide CBR 250R Parts Manual Fz16 service manual - https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1-...VFQmJzakk/view
      Hero Moto Corp Bikes' Parts RE STD 350 Wiring Diagram (CI) Service Manual - Classic 350/500
      ZMR parts - https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-U...it?usp=sharing
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        Re: Hoping for some clarity in my options....a bike for touring

        I had checked out both bikes about couple of months back and in terms of your two questions, there is not much difference between 220 and 200NS. Both will do about 110-120. The 220 will feel bit better due to better windshield. The comparisons you have listed are fairly accurate.

        If you are willing to consider another bike, why not the Karizma? Imo it is the best long distance tourer available for price of around one lakh. I used to own the original some years back.
        It can do 110 quite easily and all day long. The seating and ergonomics are comfortable for extended touring. There are lot of options for attaching bags.
        And it is maintenance free. In my three years of ownership and some 40K km, the only maintenance need was regular servicing.
        The Karizma R can be had for about 90K with 5 years warranty.
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          Re: Hoping for some clarity in my options....a bike for touring

          I've never ridden p220 but I did 110-128kmph on 200ns constantly without stopping in a 200km ride, completed the whole ride of 200km in 2.30hrs and then I went to gym.
          200ns can cruise at 120 all day without a sweat and if you have to slow down say to speed of 20 or 0, then going back to 100 will take only >9 sec.
          Perfect vfm, don't thing that naked version will let you down( expect extreme windy scenarios).,
          Or you can buy second hand bullet, ride it then sell it.
          Perfect will be to rent it for 3months.

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            Re: Hoping for some clarity in my options....a bike for touring

            Hi Prakash,
            I have gone on fairly long rides on my NS for the last 1.7 years(max of 500Kms in a day).
            Have used a 220F i think of my friend too.
            The main issue for You would be whether you are travelling alone or having a pillion with you...?
            200 in 2.5 hrs...Neither of these two will break a sweat.
            Handling of NS is gem but the stock tires will let you down.
            Vibrations in NS is much less than 220.
            Overall, i think it wont matter much. just keep in mind that 200 has a little more power and the Long desired 6'th gear.
            Regards,
            Rishabh
            Last edited by rishabh153; 03-12-2014, 08:00 PM.

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            • #7
              Re: Hoping for some clarity in my options....a bike for touring

              The 200NS is better any day.

              The only things that the 220 scores over the nS is

              - Headlight
              - Semifaired
              - Fuel Tank capacity and thus range of motorcycle

              How much can the 220 be pushed - Well i have ridden 500 km non-stop in 6-6.5 hours multiple times in varying weather conditions. The bike does it without skipping a heartbeat. And by nonstop i mean no breaks at all, engine in operation continuously for that period at high revs.

              Which bike should you buy - Whichever your gut feeling and instinct tell you. Never can go wrong that ways.
              Biking is not about what you have between your legs, its all about how well you use it!!!!!!!

              Give your details here if you want to help your fellow xBhpian stranded in your city

              Touring Blog: Cycling in Mongolia!

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                Re: Hoping for some clarity in my options....a bike for touring

                If you need a bike for just 3 weeks, then buy a well maintaned second hand CBR 250 neh?
                Why would you want to buy a new one and waste your time for the run-in process.
                It's a lot like nuts and bolts - if the rider's nuts, the ride - bolts!

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                  Re: Hoping for some clarity in my options....a bike for touring

                  Originally posted by Sal View Post
                  If you need a bike for just 3 weeks, then buy a well maintaned second hand CBR 250 neh?
                  Why would you want to buy a new one and waste your time for the run-in process.
                  Very valid point. I also find it hard to believe that you're willing to buy a new bike for 3 week's riding.
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                    Re: Hoping for some clarity in my options....a bike for touring

                    Thanks Monk for the quick approval

                    Originally posted by Divya Sharan View Post
                    Hi Prakash.

                    Welcome to India in advance!

                    Now,
                    1. Both P220 and NS are carb'ed bikes. No FI yet! P200SS may have FI.
                    2. Both can cruise at 110-115 kmph. What's the need to do 120+ speeds? Where are the roads? How many minutes would you save in a day?
                    3. NS is a better handler, but rubbish stock tires. Swap the front with R15's tire. Rear can be Michelin.
                    4. P220 has better lamps due to the projector setup. Nothing can be done here. But better bulbs from Philips/Osram can be used on the NS.
                    5. Both can lie for over a year unused with few cranks and idling at regular intervals (oil change as needed)


                    Buy the NS and make these small changes.
                    Thanks for the info abt the carb on the NS. The need to do more than 100 rarely arises but does arise, say when you want to avoid head winds by following a volvo at night, or find a long stretch of road that is just boring to do even at 100kmph. So though not a big deal, it counts for me.


                    Originally posted by timuseravan View Post
                    I had checked out both bikes about couple of months back and in terms of your two questions, there is not much difference between 220 and 200NS. Both will do about 110-120. The 220 will feel bit better due to better windshield. The comparisons you have listed are fairly accurate.

                    If you are willing to consider another bike, why not the Karizma? Imo it is the best long distance tourer available for price of around one lakh. I used to own the original some years back.
                    It can do 110 quite easily and all day long. The seating and ergonomics are comfortable for extended touring. There are lot of options for attaching bags.
                    And it is maintenance free. In my three years of ownership and some 40K km, the only maintenance need was regular servicing.
                    The Karizma R can be had for about 90K with 5 years warranty.
                    I did consider the karizma briefly but then again, the question of the parts availability came to my mind. Will look into it a bit more in the ownership threads too

                    Originally posted by shadowgun View Post
                    I've never ridden p220 but I did 110-128kmph on 200ns constantly without stopping in a 200km ride, completed the whole ride of 200km in 2.30hrs and then I went to gym.
                    200ns can cruise at 120 all day without a sweat and if you have to slow down say to speed of 20 or 0, then going back to 100 will take only >9 sec.
                    Perfect vfm, don't thing that naked version will let you down( expect extreme windy scenarios).,
                    Or you can buy second hand bullet, ride it then sell it.
                    Perfect will be to rent it for 3months.


                    -_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-
                    Ride Till The End...
                    My main concern with the NS is whether the wind blast at 100kmph speeds will become tiring soon....I have no doubt that the NS is capable of better speeds and acceleration than the 220, but from a touring perspective I have these doubts

                    Originally posted by The Monk View Post
                    The 200NS is better any day.

                    The only things that the 220 scores over the nS is

                    - Headlight
                    - Semifaired
                    - Fuel Tank capacity and thus range of motorcycle

                    How much can the 220 be pushed - Well i have ridden 500 km non-stop in 6-6.5 hours multiple times in varying weather conditions. The bike does it without skipping a heartbeat. And by nonstop i mean no breaks at all, engine in operation continuously for that period at high revs.

                    Which bike should you buy - Whichever your gut feeling and instinct tell you. Never can go wrong that ways.
                    Noted. Thanks again.

                    Originally posted by nirvaana View Post
                    Very valid point. I also find it hard to believe that you're willing to buy a new bike for 3 week's riding.
                    I dont want to waste time in looking for a proper second hand bike....and even a second hand 250R's asking price (ABS preferred) will seldom be less than 1 lakh if I am not wrong?. And this bike will be used when I come back to india permanently after a year or so.


                    And for my another query guys, IS the vibration levels of the NS much better than the 220? How does it compare to the karizma, if anyone knows???

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                    • #11
                      Re: Hoping for some clarity in my options....a bike for touring

                      Originally posted by dgprakash View Post
                      And for my another query guys, IS the vibration levels of the NS much better than the 220? How does it compare to the karizma, if anyone knows???
                      Vibrations from low to high:

                      P200NS < KariZMA < P220 < KariZMR.

                      Lesser the plastic, lesser the external vibes.
                      Got a $5 head? Get a $5 helmet.
                      Because everyone who passes, isn't a martyr!

                      Bullet Service Guide CBR 250R Parts Manual Fz16 service manual - https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1-...VFQmJzakk/view
                      Hero Moto Corp Bikes' Parts RE STD 350 Wiring Diagram (CI) Service Manual - Classic 350/500
                      ZMR parts - https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-U...it?usp=sharing
                      P200NS Spares' prices - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...taGd5R2c#gid=0

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                      • #12
                        Re: Hoping for some clarity in my options....a bike for touring

                        Thunderbird 500 or 350 best for touring. its my opinion may differ from others but have tested both. straight back sitting position.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Hoping for some clarity in my options....a bike for touring

                          Originally posted by dgprakash View Post
                          Hi all,

                          This is Prakash from Madurai, TN. Long time reader, seldom poster. Do have some patience in reading my post as it will be a just a tad long.

                          I will be coming to my place in India for a few weeks about two to three months now and plan to have a bike ready for me as soon as I get out of the air plane. I plan to complete all the formalities with the help of my dad and friends from where I am right now.

                          I had a P220 two years ago and toured on it a lot, and the things I liked were the torque, the head lamps, the cheap maintenance, reliable engine (not a single issue in the first 10000 km), the best VFM you could get (at that point in time)

                          The things I disliked were the vibrations (that remained in my body for like 10 minutes after I got off a 200km ride averaging 100 kmph), the inability to cruise comfortably at speeds above 110 kmph (not sure if this was just my bike, although it had a joeled engine head in it), the bad suspension (well, worse than the cbr of course, not the worst)

                          I was dead set on getting the cbr 250r ABS (standard is not an option for me) this time, but then decided against it as i will be using the bike for only three weeks and then it will not be ridden (although it can be started up and kept idling as often as possible), and spending 2.3 lakhs on a bike for three weeks is not a good idea for me. Really liked its suspension (when I had a test ride two years ago), smooth engine, and the fact that it should be able to hold 120 kmph all day long (from what I read in the ownership thread), and that all the major issues in the initial lot of bikes seems to be taken care of now.

                          For the above reasons, I decided to get the P220 again (sure that they still sell it, I think, it is still listed on the bajaj website). But I am having this feeling lately that maybe there is a better option out there for a little more money. I believe the only other option is the pulsar 200 NS (the duke 200 seems to be a bit short geared, and I don't like that; the duke 390 is overkill for me, the ninja and the hyosung over priced and out of reach logistically too; not a fan of the bullet family; suzuki inazuma is out of the question; the hastur will be an untested bike on the road even if available at that time; the pulsar 400s are again, overkill for me).

                          So in summary folks, what I have narrowed down as my choices are the P220 and the P200NS:

                          1) P220 over the NS:
                          a) simple to maintain by even my mechanic (read carburettor vs FI)
                          b) driveability at night (love the projector/ellipsoidal setup)
                          c)I know the bike from the past
                          d)wont go to absolute ruin if unridden for a year
                          e) looks more macho than the NS (HUGE ly personal opinion, this one)
                          f) The fairing (not sure if the 200 NS is comfortable for touring at all, with regards to the wind blast factor)

                          2) P200NS over the P220:
                          a) lighter
                          b) guessing the 6th gear and the liquid cooling makes the engine less stressful at cruising speeds
                          c) lesser vibrations (from hearsay of course)
                          d) spares might be easier to locate (again, based on the fact that the P220 looks like it might be discontinued soon, judging from the lack of upgrades after the speed lines edition)
                          e)better suspension (pretty sure it is monoshock)


                          I guess it all boils down to these two factors:

                          1) Is the 200 NS bad for cruising at 100-120 for extended periods of time (read all day), from a perspective of an engine screaming for mercy at those speeds and that of the wind blast at those speeds and the night time visibility
                          2) Does the city driving of the 200NS involve a lot of gear shift? (please compare to the 220 in your mind and not the duke 200)


                          If you have made it to this part of my rant, kudos to you and thanks.

                          Please guys, help me out in selecting the better of the two, and I am very very open for other suggestions that I have not mentioned in my post too .

                          Thanks in advance.
                          Bro I have just one question: you have 3 weeks time, then when do you complete run in? Even if you do it how reliable will it be to take a new engine @ 110-120kmph? Rather I believe if any good mech is known to you , take him along and buy a second hand P220. You will have to pay less and if the bike requires can be put into touring condition easily than any new bike. Provided the mech is known to you who can actually help you during bike inspection if required.
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                            Re: Hoping for some clarity in my options....a bike for touring

                            [MENTION=27954]dgprakash[/MENTION]: Your old 220 vibrated because it was joeled.
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                              Re: Hoping for some clarity in my options....a bike for touring

                              Did somebody suggest to replace the front tire of 200NS with the rear tire of R15? I guess Divya is talking about the R15 V1, anybody tried this? I'd like to know the handling of the bike after this change.
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