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**The Monk** · 01-07-2015, 06:01 PM

Re: New bike at about 80k??

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The Suzuki Gixxer is a great bike. But it has not been in the market for long enough to be able to prove its long term reliability.

The Apache on the other hand has proven its capability over and over.

I don't know if the Karizma is in the price bracket. Is it?

**harishkumarko** · 01-08-2015, 06:14 AM

Re: New bike at about 80k??

As Monk says its a little too early to comment on the Gixxer\'s reliability. Anyhow Suzuki motorcycles have been good in terms of quality. The GS150R is testament for that. Karizma will cost you more than 90k for sure. Apache 180 is a great city bike and is definitely fun to ride. As far as I know Apache\'s don\'t have any major problems in terms of reliability if maintained well. I think even the ABS version would fit your bill. Only woe would be the TVS tires which are terrible in wet surfaces. If you get the Apache, manage with the stock tyres until the treads get bad and get a good set of tires.

Check out the Gixxer ownership thread and see what problems are being discussed currently by the owners (if any). Though not yet proven on reliability, I would vote for the Gixxer for your requirements. If doubtful get the Apache. Not many bikes in that price bracket have a fun to ride factor.

**Ankey** · 01-08-2015, 10:44 AM

Re: New bike at about 80k??

+1 for the above post, Gixxer is definitely a good bike, but nothing can be said about its long term reliability.

Apache is a good contender, if you can bear with a bit of vibrations. Fun to ride with a good set of tires.

If you can spend a little bit more (92k), you can get a FZS V2.0. It is a naked street bike, have a very good and butter smooth fuel injected engine, and have been proved itself to be very very reliable over the years. More ever you get Yamaha build quality and reliability.

check out the ownership threads to get more info.
All the best.

**Ajinx** · 01-09-2015, 12:38 AM

Re: New bike at about 80k??

Originally posted by Ankey View Post

+1 for the above post, Gixxer is definitely a good bike, but nothing can be said about its long term reliability.

Apache is a good contender, if you can bear with a bit of vibrations. Fun to ride with a good set of tires.

If you can spend a little bit more (92k), you can get a FZS V2.0. It is a naked street bike, have a very good and butter smooth fuel injected engine, and have been proved itself to be very very reliable over the years. More ever you get Yamaha build quality and reliability.

check out the ownership threads to get more info.
All the best.

Definitely not the FZS 2.0. The Gixxer offers all the same things for a slightly lesser price and is more fun due to nearly a couple of extra horses!

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Originally posted by Ankey View Post

+1 for the above post, Gixxer is definitely a good bike, but nothing can be said about its long term reliability.

Apache is a good contender, if you can bear with a bit of vibrations. Fun to ride with a good set of tires.

If you can spend a little bit more (92k), you can get a FZS V2.0. It is a naked street bike, have a very good and butter smooth fuel injected engine, and have been proved itself to be very very reliable over the years. More ever you get Yamaha build quality and reliability.

check out the ownership threads to get more info.
All the best.

Definitely not the FZS 2.0. The Gixxer offers all the same things for a slightly lesser price and is more fun due to nearly a couple of extra horses!

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Originally posted by The Monk View Post

Query Approved

The Suzuki Gixxer is a great bike. But it has not been in the market for long enough to be able to prove its long term reliability.

The Apache on the other hand has proven its capability over and over.

I don\\\'t know if the Karizma is in the price bracket. Is it?

Karizma R will be about 95k to 1L, I guess now that it\'s 2015 and excise duty has risen .
But I now realize that the Karizma doesn\'t get me excited in the way that even the smaller Gixxer and Apache do.
Simply isn\'t fun enough, I guess, although a very capable bike overall.

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Originally posted by The Monk View Post

Query Approved

The Suzuki Gixxer is a great bike. But it has not been in the market for long enough to be able to prove its long term reliability.

The Apache on the other hand has proven its capability over and over.

I don\\\'t know if the Karizma is in the price bracket. Is it?

Karizma R will be about 95k to 1L, I guess now that it\'s 2015 and excise duty has risen .
But I now realize that the Karizma doesn\'t get me excited in the way that even the smaller Gixxer and Apache do.
Simply isn\'t fun enough, I guess, although a very capable bike overall.

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I\'m sorry for the duplicate posts, don\'t know why that\'s happening.

**sieze.s** · 01-09-2015, 01:27 PM

Re: New bike at about 80k??

Hi Ajinx, If looking for powerful & stable bike, RTR 180 is great!! you can go for it. never had ride of Gixxer so can\'t tell much..

Take test ride and then take decisions.

**rishabh153** · 01-09-2015, 01:59 PM

Re: New bike at about 80k??

Gixxer is a great bike. Just a point or two:
1. Not very old in the market, so long time experiences are negligible.
2. Pathetic A.S.S.(After sales service.). Honda still takes the cake but Suzuki is not much better. Though they claim to be working on it, but I\'ll take that with a pinch of salt.
3. I personally think that the rear seat is too small and constrained. One small backpack on the rider, and i was hard-pressed to find any rear space.

Apaches have a lot of grunt and can be a very reliable and long term prospect. Vibrations are something that a lot of people complain about, but its totally VFM and lets face it, Single cylinders will vibrate.
Plus you can probably get ABS version too if you stretch your budget a little.

And please dont say that FZ is underpowered. It is one of the best bikes to ride around in cities. A couple of horses dont make a difference. Its the package that matters.
Plus Yamaha probably has the best After sales services in India without any doubt.

**Ajinx** · 01-09-2015, 02:26 PM

Re: New bike at about 80k??

Well, the Apache 180 ABS is a bit over a lakh here OTR. Exactly the same as a Pulsar 220. Too expensive for the engine displacement(<200 cc), I feel.
I\'ve ridden an Apache 160 several times, and while it\'s grunty, it simply isn\'t as refined as a relatively small engine should be. Even the much bigger and torquier Pulsar 220 is smoother.
Plus the riding position is a bit too sporty for a city bike, and I\'m 5\'10.
I\'ve ridden a Fazer/FZ several times as well, and while it\'s undeniably a great package, it offers nothing extra over the very similar Gixxer for more money.
Definitely not considering the FZ.

**krishna77** · 01-09-2015, 02:37 PM

Re: New bike at about 80k??

Gixxer has got positive reviews so far. So, no problems should be there. But Suzuki lacks in ASS and spare parts which are hard to get.
You can also have a look at either Karizma R or FZ V2.0. Both are smooth and reliable. FZ is perhaps the most well balanced bike in class with excellent handling.

**Ajinx** · 01-09-2015, 02:50 PM

Re: New bike at about 80k??

Well, I am lucky in that I have a Suzuki dealer within a kilometre of my house.
I\'ve always heard good reports about Suzuki\'s quality and reliability from GS150 R owners.
Also, the ASS cannot be all that bad, looking at how popular the Access is, right?

**krishna77** · 01-09-2015, 07:19 PM

Re: New bike at about 80k??

Originally posted by Ajinx View Post

Well, I am lucky in that I have a Suzuki dealer within a kilometre of my house.
I\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ \\\\\\\\\\\\\\'ve always heard good reports about Suzuki\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\'s quality and reliability from GS150 R owners.
Also, the ASS cannot be all that bad, looking at how popular the Access is, right?

Yes, you are right. The quality and reliability of Suzuki bikes have always been reliable. My point was they have very few sales/service points. That\\\'s the reason why in Kolkata, many prospective GS150R(I personally admire this bike more than Gixxer) owners have backed out.
If you have a dealer nearby, there should not be any issues.

**harishkumarko** · 01-09-2015, 09:32 PM

Re: New bike at about 80k??

Go for the Gixxer if you like it and have a good service centre at your place. In my honest opinion, you could also consider the Yamaha SZ-RR. Somehow I feel it is more fun to ride than a FZ. SZ loses steam after 80kmph but is a great city bike. Looks great. FE should be between 45 and 50 kmpl easily (Could be better if ridden sanely). Engine is very smooth and the exhaust note is lovely from midrange to redline. Its a VFM product from Yamaha. Just make sure you don\'t get the TVS tires on it. Ask for MRF.

**Ajinx** · 01-10-2015, 01:30 AM

Re: New bike at about 80k??

Thanks for your answer! However, I\'m not considering the SZ-R either.

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Also, I beg to differ on the issue of 1.8hp not making a difference in this segment. These are 150cc bikes we\'re talking about, not 160hp litre class monsters. 1.8hp is more than 10% of an engine\'s max power in this class! And when there is no difference in the refinement and handling stakes, that\'s a deal breaker for me.

**Hitesh100** · 02-02-2015, 09:27 PM

Re: New bike at about 80k??

Originally posted by Ajinx View Post

Thanks for your answer! However, I\'m not considering the SZ-R either.

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Also, I beg to differ on the issue of 1.8hp not making a difference in this segment. These are 150cc bikes we\'re talking about, not 160hp litre class monsters. 1.8hp is more than 10% of an engine\'s max power in this class! And when there is no difference in the refinement and handling stakes, that\'s a deal breaker for me.

Well Gixxer is your answer ,I too was looking for 150 cc bike after intensive research I came to the conclusion that Gixxer is better product than apache160 due to filloeing reason

1 better millage with fatter tyre compared to skinny apache tyre
2 better tank (looks ) compared to huge plastice flap studded thin tank.
3 smooth engine than apache 160
4 not much price difference b/w apache & gixxer .

only drawback I feel is its small seat & spare parts availability

**ashwinprakas** · 02-03-2015, 02:04 AM

Re: New bike at about 80k??

Suzuki is bullet proof, but I wont say that for the initial batched of the Gixxer, cause I've seen some posts regarding clutch replacements in the ownership thread.

Personally I'm a fan of Bajaj(Not the KTM hybrid ones.), competitively prices, reliable and cheap on maintenance. You can opt for Discover 150, Pulsar 150, Pulsar 180 or Pulsar 220(Got one a few weeks back, pain in the ass, but I'm loving it.).

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