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    I currently own an apache RTR 180 ABS and I have been facing problems with the height and engine refinement whenever I take it for ~200km rides.

    I had plans of exchanging it with some other bike but my dad is now willing to use it for short city commutes. He is comparatively shorter than me and the bike gives him no pain as he usually rides in a sedate way. Since he won't use the bike continuously at higher revvs, engine refinement is not also a problem for him.

    Now, I have properly decided on my style of riding and I wish to buy a bike for my personal use. I have shortlisted the following 3 bikes and I wish to get help to pick the best of the 3.

    1. Honda CBR150R
    2. Pulsar 200NS
    3. Suzuki Gixxer 155

    The above are the three bikes I have ridden after I decided to give my bike to my dad.

    My requirements :

    1. Engine refinement
    2. Stability and grippy tyres
    3. Painless rides
    4. The bike must be able to cruise at 90kmph to 100kmph for quite sometime
    5. Ease of maintenance ( This is where I have a lot of questions)
    6. Great handling.

    1. Honda CBR150R

    I test rode this vehicle at mansarovar honda, velachery, Chennai. It was during peak traffic hours and the vehicle given to me was a 2013 model which seemed to be fairly old. It was not as refined as the gixxer (maybe poorly maintained and old one?). I had pain on the wrists. I do not know if this will recede with time. I had a pillion and I was stuck in traffic for most of the time. I couldn't take it more than 25km long and was not able to test its complete handling. Overall it felt good.

    I am concerned about two things. First, this might sound so cliche but I am concerned about the battery life of this vehicle. And what if the bike gives problem while I take it for long away from city? I can't get the help of local mechanics too. Second, is the radiator and liquid cooling really necessary to satisfy my requirements on long term?

    It would be nice if someone told me about the honda service in chennai.

    2. Suzuki Gixxer 155

    It is the top contender in my list. Reasons : Its so easy to ride. Feels like solid one unit between legs. The engine is so smooth and so I believe it can cruise at 90kmph and 100 kmph for long. But I doubt its stability at such speed. CBR seems to be so stable in every speed. I have ridden it for ~20km but it wasn't on highways. Also does it suffer from head and cross winds on hgihways?

    Man the bike looks sexy from behind and the tyres are so nice too(unlike my RTR). In city, it handles so well. So so well. It feels solid, again.
    Only one issue. I felt slight pain on my lower back which did go after I stopped and stretched. Its a naked and at cruising speeds, I feel it will give me a fair amount of wind blast.

    And one cliche point again. Its carbureted and has a kick start! no problems if it get stranded and I can consult a local mechanic too. Its highly frugal too out of the 3.

    My friend who owns this says he has had no problems with service of this bike.

    3. Pulsar 200 NS

    I can't ignore this bike. Only issue is that it feels heavier than the two. I felt a special attention was needed for the bulbous fairing when I rode the CBR, to prevent it from getting scratched. But I felt the same on this bike too. Maybe its heavy? I can't explain that. I am 6"2' tall and just ~65kg heavy. I love this bike because its dimensions are perfect. But the thigh grip felt better on gixxer. Also being cliche again, its solely dependent on battery life and reliability. I have the same fear of getting stranded and having troubles with consulting a local mechanic. Lack of a kick starter is also there. Also the three spark plugs seems just exaggerated. I think I will find it difficult to find a grippy point on the tank while cornering. Or it takes time, maybe?

    I rode the bike with MRF tyres and this bike costs around 1.06 lacs on road in chennai. I also doubt its build quality and resale value of this bike compared to the above two. And I get this tag from my friends - 'why buy a copied bike?' . Not in the intention to offend the owners, but it feels slightly bad to get this comment out of my mind. I think with open roads, this bike will handle so well. Like cornering and all.

    This was the one bike I had no pain riding. But again, its engine was not so refined as I expected Again, I feel cruising on it will make me bear with the vibrations. Also, Bajaj service, yay or nay?

    Now, with this background, I would like to get help in choosing the bike which will serve my purposes for the next 3 to 4 years without any trouble.

    Also, I feel the Japanese have excelled in making very user friendly bikes.

    Please help.

    Thanks.
    Last edited by srinath2494; 03-24-2015, 07:59 PM.

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    Re: Japanese Or Indian?

    Query approved!
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    • #3
      Re: Japanese Or Indian?

      My opinion is to go with the Gixxer 155. Also consider FZ FI.
      It's not about how hard you get hit... It's about how hard you get hit and just keep moving forward.

      Your story may not have such a happy beginning... But that doesn't make you who you are... It is the rest of your story... Who you chose to be.

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      • #4
        Re: Japanese Or Indian?

        Originally posted by Naas Khan View Post
        My opinion is to go with the Gixxer 155. Also consider FZ FI.

        No FZ please. It is so common and I personally cannot feel a connection with it.

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        • #5
          Re: Japanese Or Indian?

          I guess, you are sold on to Gixxer. If you are worrying about the wind blasts, wait for the faired version. Launching on April 7th.
          HH Dawn - TVS Star City - Yamaha Gladiator - TVS RTR 180 - Honda CBR 250R - Yamaha R3

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          • #6
            Re: Japanese Or Indian?

            Originally posted by sambit View Post
            I guess, you are sold on to Gixxer. If you are worrying about the wind blasts, wait for the faired version. Launching on April 7th.
            Also to CBR because of its looks. I don't like the faired gixxer.

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            • #7
              Re: Japanese Or Indian?

              Originally posted by srinath2494 View Post
              Also to CBR because of its looks. I don't like the faired gixxer.
              R15 is way better than cbr150 in terms of quality of parts.

              You can also look at Pulsar 200ns.

              Ride safe and have fun.
              Regards
              Nadeem

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                Re: Japanese Or Indian?

                Originally posted by nadz11.ns View Post
                R15 is way better than cbr150 in terms of quality of parts.

                You can also look at Pulsar 200ns.
                Since my main criterion is comfort, I would not consider R15 though I like its road grip a lot. I am yet to make a decision about Pulsar 200 NS. So I will wait.

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                • #9
                  Re: Japanese Or Indian?

                  Gixxer is light, can easily cruise at 90 and weighs less. Best from what your requirements are. CBR 150 is way ovverpriced. But then again, it performs better on highways. Pulsar 200NS is what I own and what i ride. Personally i have found it to be extremely reliable and the best bet among 3 bikes which you have mentioned since i have rode the other three also quite a bit.

                  I am guessing u dont have much love for faired bikes or cruiser so I am not gonna advice on those. Go for gixxer. I would tell u to go for 200NS, but then again engine refinement is what u want.

                  P.S. If you have money to spare, take a look at Benelli 300.

                  Sent from my Asus
                  Love ur Ride and keep it maintained, its what brings u safely back to home

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                  • #10
                    Re: Japanese Or Indian?

                    Originally posted by HyperRetard
                    Or that your thread title was vary vague.
                    I never knew people replied to threads without reading it. If you're suggesting people like that, then please do read their threads properly before you suggest something unsuitable to them. Thanks and do not justify your reply. I am not entertaining such views hereafter.

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                    Originally posted by Aurobindo View Post
                    Gixxer is light, can easily cruise at 90 and weighs less. Best from what your requirements are. CBR 150 is way ovverpriced. But then again, it performs better on highways. Pulsar 200NS is what I own and what i ride. Personally i have found it to be extremely reliable and the best bet among 3 bikes which you have mentioned since i have rode the other three also quite a bit.

                    I am guessing u dont have much love for faired bikes or cruiser so I am not gonna advice on those. Go for gixxer. I would tell u to go for 200NS, but then again engine refinement is what u want.

                    P.S. If you have money to spare, take a look at Benelli 300.

                    Sent from my Asus
                    Thanks. I do like faired bikes. Either they're not as refined as the CBR or not as comfortable as I expect. So you mean Pulsar 200 NS is not as refined? I have test ridden it but it was a vehicle which wasn't maintained properly. I thought thats why it had vibes. But even the well maintained ones?

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                    • #11
                      Re: Japanese Or Indian?

                      srinath2494 sir - From your crystal clear research & posts, ideally there's no confusion to choose out of the 3 of them. I didn't intent to poke my nose here either, but, then, being a fellow Chennaite, I took a chance to put forth my views

                      C150R ideally scores all 6/6; the only point #3 has not suited you well because, that's one bike where the rider has to learn how to ride the bike. Not that you don't know, but, the riding posture has to be learnt from riding any other street motorcycles sold here. This is why most people (including me) found it difficult initially to ride motorcycles such as R15 & C250R. But the clan which bought Ninja 250R was different; they did their initial research well especially when buying a two wheel for the price of 4 wheel

                      So coming back to our discussion, P200 is a good motorcycle, I still love to own that Yellow one but for 2 things; Carb & Auto sound (no offence to the owners). I simply don't like the exhaust note of that bike. May be an after market could help, but then, I need FI, especially after enjoying the FI on C250R, I simply don't prefer a Carb anymore (but for my Rx), but that's my personal choice.

                      Gixxer 150, I've no say as I haven't observed it keen or ridden one, I leave that choice to you. But for sure, Gixxer may not do the 90-100 Km effortless like C150R or P200NS.

                      From my understanding on your post, I feel P200NS fits you more than Gixxer for strong points 3, 4, 5

                      If you're willing to learn to the sitting posture on C150R, it has strong points on 1, 4, 5 & 6 & not to mention your last point - "Japanese have excelled in making very user friendly bikes" especially Honda

                      And for the points on 3 & 5 you can opt for Gixxer (may be points 1, 4 & 6 are fitting enough, but I cannot comment unless I've ridden one)

                      All the best & see you in one of the Chennai offline meets with your new steed
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                      Awareness + Skill is what keeps you out of harm's way
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                      • #12
                        Re: Japanese Or Indian?

                        Originally posted by srinath2494 View Post
                        Also to CBR because of its looks. I don't like the faired gixxer.
                        Even though I agree CBR is over-priced by atleast Rs.10K, but according to your needs, there is no other option right now except CBR. Do take extensive Test ride of Pulsar and CBR back to back, then decide....
                        HH Dawn - TVS Star City - Yamaha Gladiator - TVS RTR 180 - Honda CBR 250R - Yamaha R3

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                        • #13
                          Re: Japanese Or Indian?

                          Originally posted by srinath2494 View Post
                          I never knew people replied to threads without reading it. If you're suggesting people like that, then please do read their threads properly before you suggest something unsuitable to them. Thanks and do not justify your reply. I am not entertaining such views hereafter.

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                          Thanks. I do like faired bikes. Either they're not as refined as the CBR or not as comfortable as I expect. So you mean Pulsar 200 NS is not as refined? I have test ridden it but it was a vehicle which wasn't maintained properly. I thought thats why it had vibes. But even the well maintained ones?
                          It has the engine of a hooligan although less than that of duke. Power delivery is much linear but vibrations can be easily felt over 5K rpm. The issue of vibrations went away after 6 months of riding. I guess now I am used to it.

                          Sent from my Asus
                          Love ur Ride and keep it maintained, its what brings u safely back to home

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                          • #14
                            Re: Japanese Or Indian?

                            Originally posted by aargee View Post
                            srinath2494 sir - From your crystal clear research & posts, ideally there's no confusion to choose out of the 3 of them. I didn't intent to poke my nose here either, but, then, being a fellow Chennaite, I took a chance to put forth my views

                            C150R ideally scores all 6/6; the only point #3 has not suited you well because, that's one bike where the rider has to learn how to ride the bike. Not that you don't know, but, the riding posture has to be learnt from riding any other street motorcycles sold here. This is why most people (including me) found it difficult initially to ride motorcycles such as R15 & C250R. But the clan which bought Ninja 250R was different; they did their initial research well especially when buying a two wheel for the price of 4 wheel

                            So coming back to our discussion, P200 is a good motorcycle, I still love to own that Yellow one but for 2 things; Carb & Auto sound (no offence to the owners). I simply don't like the exhaust note of that bike. May be an after market could help, but then, I need FI, especially after enjoying the FI on C250R, I simply don't prefer a Carb anymore (but for my Rx), but that's my personal choice.

                            Gixxer 150, I've no say as I haven't observed it keen or ridden one, I leave that choice to you. But for sure, Gixxer may not do the 90-100 Km effortless like C150R or P200NS.

                            From my understanding on your post, I feel P200NS fits you more than Gixxer for strong points 3, 4, 5

                            If you're willing to learn to the sitting posture on C150R, it has strong points on 1, 4, 5 & 6 & not to mention your last point - "Japanese have excelled in making very user friendly bikes" especially Honda

                            And for the points on 3 & 5 you can opt for Gixxer (may be points 1, 4 & 6 are fitting enough, but I cannot comment unless I've ridden one)

                            All the best & see you in one of the Chennai offline meets with your new steed
                            first of all I am just 19+ now :P dont call me sir :P it sounds awkward. And yes, I am on the lookout and will get the new bike after my exams in a month and a half. I will definitely try to attend one of the meets. I hope CBR has one of the best electronics so that I do not have to worry about getting stranded at unknown places.

                            Thanks!

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                            Originally posted by Aurobindo View Post
                            It has the engine of a hooligan although less than that of duke. Power delivery is much linear but vibrations can be easily felt over 5K rpm. The issue of vibrations went away after 6 months of riding. I guess now I am used to it.

                            Sent from my Asus
                            It vibrates lesser than my apache but I am not on the lookout for power exactly. I ll try other bikes too. I just ran out of options. Do let me know if you come across any such option

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                            Originally posted by sambit View Post
                            Even though I agree CBR is over-priced by atleast Rs.10K, but according to your needs, there is no other option right now except CBR. Do take extensive Test ride of Pulsar and CBR back to back, then decide....
                            Sir price will not be a problem but it has to be reliable so that I can confidently take it for long rides. I am a beginner and I need a reliable bike(both electronics and mechanicals in the bike) for the next 3-4 years at least.

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                            • #15
                              Re: Japanese Or Indian?

                              I own a gixxer, and can confidently say crushing at 90 is easily possible. It reaches 80 in no time in city, and given highway space you can settle into a nice steady 90.
                              But as its new there is not that much data to comment on FE at 90. Then again who does highway rides worrying about FE, its the journey!!
                              The only problem you will face is that, at 90 you will face windblasts,as its a naked, and this might want you to lower the speed to 80.
                              Given your posts, from what I have understood, your comfort level and need, its solidly between the NS and the Gixxer.

                              I have no hesitation in recommending the gixxer though. Its a brilliant all rounder, and won't leave you feeling like you are lacking something, which is ultimately what you expect when you get a machine.
                              Peace!

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