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  • What Next - After Ninja250

    Hello everyone.
    A bit about myself and my biking background.

    My first bike was a Pulsar200 back in 2009. Two years later, I upgraded to a Ninja 250. I did take good care of the Ninja and have been a safe rider always! Its going to be six years this November and the bike still puts a smile on my face. I ride everyday to office and occasional weekend rides. The service expense of the Kawasaki is definitely on the higher side and parts were sometimes mindbloggingly expensive! But they were all accepted as minor cons of owning the best Quarter litre in the world.

    Initially there were many dreams of owning a litre class superbike, but for my riding, it seems like a waste! Then there were thoughts of the used Z800,CBR 650F or a street triple, but again, my usage pattern doesn't do justice to any of these wonderful machines. I don't do track days or high speed sprints. Hence I am looking for more of tourers and nakeds (the wind blast is okay for now). Not so demanding seating posture.

    Coming to think of what I should go for next- I have the Yamaha R3 on my mind- when it comes with the ABS. The character is similar to the N250 and performs well. Not too many issues and an all-rounder. Yes, it looks great as well.
    My question is - While many may say that its hardly an upgrade from a Ninja and advice to go for something bigger like a N650 for that amount of money, my mind is on the maintenance and living with the bike aspect. I do not want to go through the bad services Kawasaki has been offering even for a N250 and waiting for parts like forever.
    Is Yamaha better? I know they are cheaper. But I do not want to keep visiting the service centre frequently. Reliability wise I am extremely proud of the Ninja.

    After enjoying attention on the road for so long, sometimes, I wish to just get a Duke 390 (not that it goes unnoticed, but less attention definitely) and live happily with it without worrying about people trying to sit on it etc. But the amount of issues, have been at the back of my mind. Are the 2017 ones better?

    Or - do I try to get my hands on a used 600cc, tourers/nakeds preferred. I am more than happy with the 33bhp I get now. Would owning a 600cc open up more adventures and maybe rekindle my lost dreams?

    The R3, Duke and 600s are like chalk and cheese. After the parallel twin experience, I am inclined towards the R3. Duke - just for the mad fun it provides. 600s - because it will be a mighty upgrade. I am like the kid who has decided on his toy, but gets confused seeing the other options in the store.
    This purchase is planned for next year- 2018. Hence, please add any interesting bikes which may fit the bill.

    I hope I have not confused all of you. I definitely need something better/bigger than the Ninja 250 (read more power).

    Thank you
    AweSome is too LesS!

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    Re: What Next - After Ninja250

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    You want an upgrade, but it shouldn't be more expensive to maintain than your current bike. The R3 won't be an upgrade. And even though this will draw a lot of flak from the bike's owners and fans. I would say it is a tiny step backwards.

    I believe you are going into the two motorcycle category! Maybe a smaller capacity motorcycle for everyday riding, which requires less maintenance, something like a used Duke 200 and a larger capacity motorcycle to satisfy your thirst for an upgrade.

    If you want to own only one bike. The Duke 390 would be a good idea. No it isn't an upgrade. But it is so different from the N250 that you will not be able to compare the two. It will be an entirely new and different experience. And it is not too expensive to maintain either. Reliability of the bike seems to have improved with the many minor glitches being smoothed out.
    Biking is not about what you have between your legs, its all about how well you use it!!!!!!!

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    • #3
      Re: What Next - After Ninja250

      Originally posted by The Monk View Post
      I would say it is a tiny step backwards.
      why do you say that, monk ?

      (oh don't worry about any flak or heated arguments from me about it , i hardly know anything about ninja vs R3 topic, i am just curious cuz i think R3 might be my next bike after a few years if no other better alternative in that segment exists at the time).

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      • #4
        Re: What Next - After Ninja250

        Originally posted by aditya_YZF-R15 View Post
        why do you say that, monk ?

        (oh don't worry about any flak or heated arguments from me about it , i hardly know anything about ninja vs R3 topic, i am just curious cuz i think R3 might be my next bike after a few years if no other better alternative in that segment exists at the time).
        Not worried about heated arguments from you. On the MotoGP thread maybe, not here

        Have you ridden the N250?

        Go ahead and buy the R3. It will be a fantastic upgrade over your current R15. But not for a N250 owner.

        That bike is bulletproof (and i am not talking about RE Bullets ). Nothing ever happens to it. Yes parts are more expensive, but reliability is outstanding. Add to that fantastic brakes, the R3 is far behind in this regard. Better handling, straight line stability, flickability etc. Overall it is a better package.

        If you can afford the N3 (initial cost and ownership cost) then go for it, if not the R3 is probably better VFM.
        Biking is not about what you have between your legs, its all about how well you use it!!!!!!!

        Give your details here if you want to help your fellow xBhpian stranded in your city

        Touring Blog: Cycling in Mongolia!

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        • #5
          Re: What Next - After Ninja250

          Originally posted by The Monk View Post
          Have you ridden the N250?
          nope. not ridden the R3 either. just based on its reviews it seemed to be the ideal upgrade for me after R15. not now anyway, maybe after 2-3 years if the market in that segment remains the same as it is today...hard to find these bikes where i live (allahabad) anyway..there's no local showroom that sells these two bikes, the few people that have these R3s and ninjas here in this city have got it from lucknow as i've been told by a local friend who knows a lot of other riders in the city...aside from my own R15, i have only ridden the RC390 of this friend a couple of times..which of course is a great ultra-fun bike but not something i'd like to own as a long term bike.

          Originally posted by The Monk View Post
          Add to that fantastic brakes, the R3 is far behind in this regard. Better handling, straight line stability, flickability etc. Overall it is a better package.
          oh i see...my impression based on the people's posts here was otherwise, but then i only followed the R3 thread for sometime and didn't do so much with the ninja 250/300 threads.

          would you say the overall reliability of the R3 is as good as that of the ninja ?
          Last edited by aditya_YZF-R15; 05-29-2017, 09:10 PM.

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          • #6
            Re: What Next - After Ninja250

            Originally posted by aditya_YZF-R15 View Post
            nope. not ridden the R3 either. just based on its reviews it seemed to be the ideal upgrade for me after R15. not now anyway, maybe after 2-3 years if the market in that segment remains the same as it is today...hard to find these bikes where i live (allahabad) anyway..there's no local showroom that sells these two bikes, the few people that have these R3s and ninjas here in this city have got it from lucknow as i've been told by a local friend who knows a lot of other riders in the city...aside from my own R15, i have only ridden the RC390 of this friend a couple of times..which of course is a great ultra-fun bike but not something i'd like to own as a long term bike.



            oh i see...my impression based on the people's posts here was otherwise, but then i only followed the R3 thread for sometime and didn't do so much with the ninja 250/300 threads.

            would you say the overall reliability of the R3 is as good as that of the ninja ?

            Like i mentioned it is a perfect upgrade from the R15. After 2-3 years though who knows what the market will have. That is actually a very important criteria while buying a bike. ASS in your city (no pun intended )


            I am surprised that anyone thinks that the R3s brakes are better than the Ninjas. The bite, feedback and gradability of the brakes on the N250 is comparable to superbikes. Yes, that is a big claim!

            Very difficult to say as of now. The R3 has been in the market for not a lot of time. As one would expect from a new bike, the initial lots had a few niggles. The Ninja on the other hand has been around from 1986! Imagine the amount of time Kawasaki has had to improve and fine tune their entry level sportsbike.
            Biking is not about what you have between your legs, its all about how well you use it!!!!!!!

            Give your details here if you want to help your fellow xBhpian stranded in your city

            Touring Blog: Cycling in Mongolia!

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            • #7
              Re: What Next - After Ninja250

              Originally posted by The Monk View Post
              That bike is bulletproof (and i am not talking about RE Bullets ). Nothing ever happens to it.
              Hope somebody worshiping for RE see this and change his mind.

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              • #8
                Re: What Next - After Ninja250

                [QUOTE=The Monk;1297522]Like i mentioned it is a perfect upgrade from the R15. After 2-3 years though who knows what the market will have. That is actually a very important criteria while buying a bike. ASS in your city (no pun intended )


                Yes. Thats exactly my worry. Its extremely hard to find that fantastic combination in any other bike. The handling, brakes, reliability is hard to match.
                I am not someone who believes that everytime you change your bike, it has to be a significant upgrade. I am okay with similar power. But if the R3 lags behind the N250 considerably, then its a difficult decision.

                No two bikes as of now. One all-rounder or something close is whats on my mind.
                AweSome is too LesS!

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                • #9
                  Re: What Next - After Ninja250

                  @vinbex Don't want to add more salt onto your dilemma here; however please go through the particular read in case if you haven't.

                  I'm sure you will appreciate it

                  We compared the Ninja 300 to the classic Ninja 250 for those still on the fence



                  Cheers,
                  Queensyrche
                  Last edited by WindPacer; 05-30-2017, 02:16 PM.
                  "Take a deep breath It's Just a BAD DAY, Not a BAD LIFE" - courtesy "The Unknown"

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                  • #10
                    Re: What Next - After Ninja250

                    Originally posted by WindPacer View Post
                    @vinbex Don't want to add more salt onto your dilemma here; however please go through the particular read in case if you haven't.

                    I'm sure you will appreciate it

                    We compared the Ninja 300 to the classic Ninja 250 for those still on the fence



                    Cheers,
                    Queensyrche
                    Nice read. Yes, the 50cc sounds miniscule only on paper. Once on the saddle, the N300 is quite different bike. I am hoping this to be the case with the other 'little bigger' bike.
                    The top speed is hardly a matter to me.
                    AweSome is too LesS!

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                    • #11
                      Re: What Next - After Ninja250

                      If you are referring to the R3, it is an amazing bike in its own; however i will not recommend it to anyone who owns an N250 and looking for an upgrade of any sorts.

                      I agree, top speeds doesn't matter since most of the bikes never see track days and unfortunately our roads aren't even build for 50% of the speeds these bikes can literally make.


                      Originally posted by vinbex View Post
                      Nice read. Yes, the 50cc sounds miniscule only on paper. Once on the saddle, the N300 is quite different bike. I am hoping this to be the case with the other 'little bigger' bike.
                      The top speed is hardly a matter to me.
                      Last edited by WindPacer; 05-30-2017, 02:57 PM.
                      "Take a deep breath It's Just a BAD DAY, Not a BAD LIFE" - courtesy "The Unknown"

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                      • #12
                        Re: What Next - After Ninja250

                        Originally posted by The Monk View Post
                        Like i mentioned it is a perfect upgrade from the R15. After 2-3 years though who knows what the market will have. That is actually a very important criteria while buying a bike. ASS in your city (no pun intended )


                        I am surprised that anyone thinks that the R3s brakes are better than the Ninjas. The bite, feedback and gradability of the brakes on the N250 is comparable to superbikes. Yes, that is a big claim!

                        Very difficult to say as of now. The R3 has been in the market for not a lot of time. As one would expect from a new bike, the initial lots had a few niggles. The Ninja on the other hand has been around from 1986! Imagine the amount of time Kawasaki has had to improve and fine tune their entry level sportsbike.
                        haha after 2-3 years i won't be allahabad...can't say where exactly, but hopefully in bangalore or chennai..

                        true, the R3 is a new product while the ninja 250 (and its recently upgraded cousin 300) has been around forever. older than my age lol

                        my only worry regarding ninja has been its substantially higher maintenance and parts cost (the ~50k higher ownership cost is also quite big but that's still okay, since it's a one-time cost), and the uneasy availability of its parts, including apparently even basic ones and even in big cities..that's why i'd been more fixated on R3 thinking the two bikes are too close to each other in all aspects than they actually are (still very close to each other i suppose, but it seems not as much as i'd ignorantly thought of)...guess if one owns the ninja, one should make a habit of stocking basic parts in his/her home early on haha

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                        yes, top speed doesnt matter for me either...it's something one attains in a new bike a handful number of times just to experience it and then pretty much never...170-180 kmph is too fast for anywhere except race tracks..even in entirely empty and wide highways it's very fast, particularly in our country where the unpredictability of things (living or non-living) suddenly appearing on the road is high..

                        170-180 kmph on a public road is considered too damn fast even in the west, let alone india.

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                        • #13
                          Re: What Next - After Ninja250

                          [QUOTE=aditya_YZF-R15;1297653]haha after 2-3 years i won't be allahabad...can't say where exactly, but hopefully in bangalore or chennai..

                          true, the R3 is a new product while the ninja 250 (and its recently upgraded cousin 300) has been around forever. older than my age lol

                          my only worry regarding ninja has been its substantially higher maintenance and parts cost (the ~50k higher ownership cost is also quite big but that's still okay, since it's a one-time cost), and the uneasy availability of its parts, including apparently even basic ones and even in big cities..that's why i'd been more fixated on R3 thinking the two bikes are too close to each other in all aspects than they actually are (still very close to each other i suppose, but it seems not as much as i'd ignorantly thought of)...guess if one owns the ninja, one should make a habit of stocking basic parts in his/her home early on haha

                          Exactly my thoughts. The parts and service are a pain and its not easy to leave your bike with the local superbike mechanics.
                          For me, the N300 is definitely not an option. Give me atleast 10BHP more for that price please . I'd rather go with the R3 with inferior tyres and brakes(upgrade them soon). Hoping it comes with ABS and still remains cheaper than the N300. The N300 is a beautiful machine in its own right, but somehow it didn't strike a chord with me like the N250.
                          AweSome is too LesS!

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                          • #14
                            Re: What Next - After Ninja250

                            Hey mate..

                            Actually i ws goin through the same dilemma few days back.. But now i have changed my mind and planning on upgrading to 600cc segment..

                            For your doubt.. The amount you will save in the R3 will be enough for a new set of pirelli or other good tyres for your ride.. Rest as told above by fellow mates this years r3 may come equipped with abs as standard.. Hope for the best and visit your nearest yamaha exclusive showroom for detailed info.. What i read in some thread is that they have already started taking bookings for 2017 r3.. So they might be able to help you..

                            All the best.

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                            • #15
                              Re: What Next - After Ninja250

                              Originally posted by Devarshi View Post
                              Hey mate..

                              Actually i ws goin through the same dilemma few days back.. But now i have changed my mind and planning on upgrading to 600cc segment..

                              For your doubt.. The amount you will save in the R3 will be enough for a new set of pirelli or other good tyres for your ride.. Rest as told above by fellow mates this years r3 may come equipped with abs as standard.. Hope for the best and visit your nearest yamaha exclusive showroom for detailed info.. What i read in some thread is that they have already started taking bookings for 2017 r3.. So they might be able to help you..

                              All the best.
                              They have started taking bookings without any details of launch... they also have no clue regarding the abs.

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