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**bprags** · 05-07-2009, 03:41 PM

Originally posted by riazmomin View Post

But Owning a new bike has different feeling.

+1000

. Its a totally new feeling, coz initially during the runnin[some people dont runnin

] of the engine we almost take care of it as if it is a baby

.

**Wheel_Spin** · 05-07-2009, 05:00 PM

Originally posted by vicks_8591 View Post

well thanx a lot to everyone....for their precious inputs....
well, a few updates about the R15 is that bike has done around 8000kms and has gone through 4 free services(all on time)...i need to ride it which i would do pretty soon!
The guy who is selling seems pretty trustworthy....he claims that he has serviced the bike at right times and has maintained it well....all this remains to be seen once i hop on the bike for a ride!

How can i make sure that the bikes engine is in good condition by riding it?? I dont think a local mechanic would be of much help....and how many days does it take to transfer the bike at RTO???

I have ridden Karizma and i know...it is absolutely worth it! Just giving a 2nd thought to the R15 since i love it as well....

I love both the Karizma and the R15. Though....R15 is a killer on looks

....so i m a bit tilted towards it.....not that Karizma is any bad...but you know what i m saying....!!!

Thanx again to everyone for their inputs and precious time.....do guide me further on what should i do....

Buying a Karizma would be no doubt a safe choice.....but what are the risks involved with a 2nd hand R15?? Do throw some light on it.....
And yes, does any body has any info about the cost of spares on both the bikes....which is more costly to maintain???

Is this a red r15 from airoli ?

**Devilpulsarian** · 05-07-2009, 05:16 PM

Originally posted by rennycornelius View Post

R15 any day....

zma dont even comes close to it...

just compare the features you're getting for almost the same price plus the "YAMAHA" name..........

zma dont even come close to the tech R15 is laden with....adding stickers and painting the engine black hasnt done anything more good to the R than the 6 year old karizma.....

go for the R15 buddy.......

Absolutely true.....
Had I been at your place, I would have added a few more bucks and gone in for a brand new R15...
If this is the only situation, I would have been stuck upon, I would have tried to negotiate a bit more as somebody said citing reasons such as free services are over that means 2-3ks, engine oil... blaa blaaa..
Had he reduced the price, OK.....if not.....still the technically miles ahead YAMAHA over the hondas 1980s engine...!

**vicks_8591** · 05-07-2009, 05:38 PM

Originally posted by Wheel_Spin View Post

Is this a red r15 from airoli ?

No this in not that one!!

**Sarvajit** · 05-07-2009, 05:56 PM

You have a very good budget for a new bike IMO. Both are good bikes, both have their pros&cons. I would prefer a new Alto to a 2nd hand Esteem, but that is my personal opinion! If you can buy a new Karizma&be happy with it, without giving jealous glances at R15 owners on the road, that would be the best choice IMO.
However, if you do decide on the R15, please ask him how he did his run in, as the initial 1000kms.are the most crucial factor in determining the bike's smooth life. Rest of the things can be worked out as the bike has warranty for 2 years. Don't worry about cosmetic things such as scratches etc. They can be touched up/replaced in no time. RTO ownership transfer takes place in a day's time if there is no finance involved. Else you can ask him to clear off the finance with the money you pay him&then transfer it directly onto your name. That way you would be the first owner!
I repeat, both are excellent bikes&excel in certain aspects. Depends on your usage&riding style.

P.S. Just a personal query-why is he selling off his R15 so early if it is in such immaculate condition?

**vicks_8591** · 05-07-2009, 11:50 PM

Originally posted by Sarvajit View Post

You have a very good budget for a new bike IMO. Both are good bikes, both have their pros&cons. I would prefer a new Alto to a 2nd hand Esteem, but that is my personal opinion! If you can buy a new Karizma&be happy with it, without giving jealous glances at R15 owners on the road, that would be the best choice IMO.
However, if you do decide on the R15, please ask him how he did his run in, as the initial 1000kms.are the most crucial factor in determining the bike's smooth life. Rest of the things can be worked out as the bike has warranty for 2 years. Don't worry about cosmetic things such as scratches etc. They can be touched up/replaced in no time. RTO ownership transfer takes place in a day's time if there is no finance involved. Else you can ask him to clear off the finance with the money you pay him&then transfer it directly onto your name. That way you would be the first owner!
I repeat, both are excellent bikes&excel in certain aspects. Depends on your usage&riding style.

P.S. Just a personal query-why is he selling off his R15 so early if it is in such immaculate condition?

hey thanx a lot Sarvajit!!
Well i dont know whether i would be able to resist not giving the R15 owners a jealous look on the road, if I buy a New Karizma.....but a Karizma is nothing short of pure excellence too...

The reason why he is selling off the bike is because he is leaving the country in a months time. I believe this is the same person whom akshaye11 had got in touch with.
@akshaye11 - dude what was the reason for you not going forward with this bike?? I believe u bought a Pulsar 200. Had you ridden this R15 for a test ride??

Once I take a test ride on the bike... i would update you guys about my experience!!!

Till then...thanx a lot and pour in some more inputs!

**voodoo_god13** · 05-08-2009, 01:42 AM

dude 80K is way too much. If you are shelling out 80K might as well buy a new bike.

An uncle in chennai sold his R15 cos he was getting back aches for 65K. Only a few months old.

If you are hell bent on an R15 and dont want to spend more that 80k be patient and soon enough you should fnd one for 70K. With the remaining 10K buy your self riding gear.

Also this is what I feel about the two bikes [completely personal]. if you dont live in chennai or coimbatore and dont intend to hit the track the Karizma is the better choice. When ever I head out to the track with my friends one with an R15 one with a ZMA, both have a blast on the track (the R15 is faster though). But on the way to and from the track can't help but notice how comfortable the guy on the ZMA is and can't help but notice the R15 guy wringing his wrists at every signal.

**outworldly maniac** · 05-08-2009, 02:51 AM

yeah even i knw a r15 sold for 65k
look dear friend..... looks do matter .... but what is the use of a good looking bike which gives u back pain and n trust me
i have seen people taking it lightly .......
out backbone is very important......... if its gone
no use living ..... unless ur nt a normal person when it comes to will power

so see if u can adapt to a r15 or not
keep in mind ur requirements
think solid on it

zma is pure comfort n very easy on the back
r15 has a sporty stance
bt then hey
some of xbhpians have done touring on it
acc to me..... they are strong

n some people get used to the sitting style.... or may be most...... and then dont have a problem with the 15 ' s sitting pos
but do u think u ll be able to adapt????
thats the question

u havent mentioned ur requirements

i wud anyday recommend zma even over new r15
thats my view

acc to me
i agree zma is older in technology
but hey it serves the purpose
n u understnd
still being so old
its a competitor to the r15
so there must be some reason
rest decision is urs
sorry for long post

**jigar2speed** · 05-08-2009, 05:03 AM

I think people are bit confused here.

Back pains ? Wrist pain ? blah.. yes you heard me right "blah", Now before you jump on to me, let me tell you what's with R-15.

First and foremost, it's a sport bike, yes it's a sport bike friends and all we have driven till now is commuter bikes. (Pulsar & Karizma don't count for sport bike, if that question came to your mind

)

So what happens when you jump to sport bike from commuter bikes?? You get this kind of problems... The reason being, we are not habituated with sporty siting positions and when we sit the way we are not suppose to, we have back pains, wrist pain etc and then some guys blame the bike (I mean it, some people really do)

All i would suggest to OT, if you want a sporty bike + Performace, go for R-15 and call it a day.

If you like comfort and touring, go for Karizma and call it a day

Either ways you are not going to go wrong.

Peace.

**voodoo_god13** · 05-08-2009, 05:35 AM

Originally posted by jigar2speed View Post

I think people are bit confused here.

Back pains ? Wrist pain ? blah.. yes you heard me right "blah", Now before you jump on to me, let me tell you what's with R-15.

First and foremost, it's a sport bike, yes it's a sport bike friends and all we have driven till now is commuter bikes. (Pulsar & Karizma don't count for sport bike, if that question came to your mind

)

So what happens when you jump to sport bike from commuter bikes?? You get this kind of problems... The reason being, we are not habituated with sporty siting positions and when we sit the way we are not suppose to, we have back pains, wrist pain etc and then some guys blame the bike (I mean it, some people really do)

All i would suggest to OT, if you want a sporty bike + Performace, go for R-15 and call it a day.

If you like comfort and touring, go for Karizma and call it a day

Either ways you are not going to go wrong.

Peace.

The ZMA is a very sporty bike. Its awesome fun on the race track. The bike doesn't look it and the long stroke motor doesn't sound suitable, but the bike is awesome on the track.

The R15 is more purpose built not looking at being a jack of all trades but concentrating on being the best in its field The Race Track.

I have ridden the bike and it does feel uncomfortable. I sat on a NSR 150 and that was uncomfortable as well. The seating position for these bikes are designed with the track in mind. And that possibly is the reason for the wrist pain etc while riding it normally.

Then again a lot of people do find the bike comfortable. I'm guessing your build and hight play an important factor in riding comfort as well.

**outworldly maniac** · 05-08-2009, 06:02 AM

^^^^
my name is also jigar

bro.....
no one is blamin the bike
read properly

i wud suggest
let him come up with his requirements

**jigar2speed** · 05-08-2009, 06:32 AM

Originally posted by voodoo_god13 View Post

The ZMA is a very sporty bike. Its awesome fun on the race track. The bike doesn't look it and the long stroke motor doesn't sound suitable, but the bike is awesome on the track.

The R15 is more purpose built not looking at being a jack of all trades but concentrating on being the best in its field The Race Track.

I have ridden the bike and it does feel uncomfortable. I sat on a NSR 150 and that was uncomfortable as well. The seating position for these bikes are designed with the track in mind. And that possibly is the reason for the wrist pain etc while riding it normally.

Then again a lot of people do find the bike comfortable. I'm guessing your build and hight play an important factor in riding comfort as well.

Being sporty and having a sporty seating is 2 different thing my friend.

Yes you are correct, R-15 is made keeping track in mind and seating position plays a vital role if you want to avoid pain in back and wrist. I confess i had pain in the wrist as well.

**jigar2speed** · 05-08-2009, 06:34 AM

Originally posted by outworldly maniac View Post

^^^^
my name is also jigar

bro.....
no one is blamin the bike
read properly

i wud suggest
let him come up with his requirements

heh, no mate, i wasn't talking about the people at XBHP, but i am talking about people in general. They have the tendency of blaming the bike and that's not their fault, it's just a lack/no experience of driving a sportbike.

**Wheel_Spin** · 05-08-2009, 10:45 AM

I have to agree with jigar, it's more about getting used to the sporty position and once you get used to sitting with a proper posture it's not such a big deal. Just my 2 cents.

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