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**The Monk** · 05-22-2018, 01:19 PM

Re: FZ S FI or Apache 160 4v FI

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Originally posted by Kuntas Mande View Post

Not-so-good points:

Smaller diameter discs as breaks,
Thinner tyres,
Thinner front suspension forks,
Heavier,
Newest entrant

Regards,
KM

The size of the disc isn't the most important criteria. It is the end result, which bike has better brakes. (brakes not breaks!)

Thinner tyres are no problem. Most manufacturers have added wider rear tyres because young hot blooded Indian boys want that, because it looks nicer!

Again, only after riding the two, would you be able to tell if one dives more than the other. Not just numbers on a sheet of paper.

Weight is important, the difference is how much? And how much are you capable of handling.

That is an important point. Most new vehicles will have a few teething issues. That's a risk you take for being different from the rest in the market!

**hamadryad** · 05-23-2018, 03:59 PM

Re: FZ S FI or Apache 160 4v FI

Apaches have a really bad reputation of vibrating like crazy over 6000 RPM. I have not ridden the new one so can't say confidently that it will vibrate too but do take a test ride and ride it at 6000+ RPM to know for sure.
That aside, Apache will be more fun to drive, it handles better and it just feels better overall.
FZ feels a bit sluggish and front heavy to me.
Also, the discs on Apache are as good as they come, they have a sharp bite, my only problem with them is the vibes, you take that out and Apache is the better choice than the FZ in every way.

**tanishq** · 05-23-2018, 09:33 PM

Re: FZ S FI or Apache 160 4v FI

The rtr 1604v is the best bike in its segment!!.. engine is refined as Butter.. its even more refined than the Gixxer 150 good power delivery so occasional highway rides will be no issue. Handling is wat Apaches are known for so ur sorted thr. [emoji111]

**Kuntas Mande** · 05-23-2018, 11:22 PM

Re: FZ S FI or Apache 160 4v FI

Originally posted by The Monk View Post

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The size of the disc isn't the most important criteria. It is the end result, which bike has better brakes. (brakes not breaks!)

-- Realised it's "brakes" and not the other one, as soon as I pressed "Submit"; but wasn't sure how to retract the post.

Again, only after riding the two, would you be able to tell if one dives more than the other. Not just numbers on a sheet of paper.

-- I haven't been able to get a test vehicle for 160 4v. I rode its elder brother (200 4v) and liked its gear shifts the most. The overall ride, too, was enjoyable. So, am hoping the same holds for the younger one too.

Weight is important, the difference is how much? And how much are you capable of handling.

-- The weight difference is about 15 kg, with 160 4v FI being the heavier at 148 kg. I had Unicorn 150, which is about the same in terms of weight. So, it shouldn't be a problem for me.

That is an important point. Most new vehicles will have a few teething issues. That's a risk you take for being different from the rest in the market!

-- Being new comes with certain plus points and some negatives too and I am prepared to be patient.

I'd like to pick your brain about the suspension, manual kicker and battery bits too.
Honestly speaking, I don't really like bikes without a kick start and that's an aspect, which forced me away from 200 4v.
I feel relying on electric surge means the need to have a powerful, long-lasting battery and that nearly rules FZ S out too.
But, I'd also like to take your opinion about it.

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Originally posted by hamadryad View Post

Apaches have a really bad reputation of vibrating like crazy over 6000 RPM. I have not ridden the new one so can't say confidently that it will vibrate too but do take a test ride and ride it at 6000+ RPM to know for sure.
That aside, Apache will be more fun to drive, it handles better and it just feels better overall.
FZ feels a bit sluggish and front heavy to me.
Also, the discs on Apache are as good as they come, they have a sharp bite, my only problem with them is the vibes, you take that out and Apache is the better choice than the FZ in every way.

Thanks for the assuring feedback about the brakes, I think I can rest easy about Apache not having as large brakes as FZ S.
Regarding the vibrations, I read several reviews around the internet, which praise the stellar, vibration-free engine of Apache (of course, some credit must go to its elder brother 200 4v).
To be honest, I am a lazy rider, not a fan of leaning and twisting the bike. On long rides, I prefer to stay up to 100 kmph, so, hopefully, any vibrations in the Apache engine shouldn't be a problem.
FZ S definitely rates lower on paper, when compared for power, torque; however, there are a significant number of riders praising its performance in the middle range.

**hamadryad** · 05-26-2018, 03:41 PM

Re: FZ S FI or Apache 160 4v FI

Originally posted by Kuntas Mande View Post

I'd like to pick your brain about the suspension, manual kicker and battery bits too.
Honestly speaking, I don't really like bikes without a kick start and that's an aspect, which forced me away from 200 4v.
I feel relying on electric surge means the need to have a powerful, long-lasting battery and that nearly rules FZ S out too.
But, I'd also like to take your opinion about it.

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Thanks for the assuring feedback about the brakes, I think I can rest easy about Apache not having as large brakes as FZ S.
Regarding the vibrations, I read several reviews around the internet, which praise the stellar, vibration-free engine of Apache (of course, some credit must go to its elder brother 200 4v).
To be honest, I am a lazy rider, not a fan of leaning and twisting the bike. On long rides, I prefer to stay up to 100 kmph, so, hopefully, any vibrations in the Apache engine shouldn't be a problem.
FZ S definitely rates lower on paper, when compared for power, torque; however, there are a significant number of riders praising its performance in the middle range.

Apaches are no slouch when it comes to a grunty mid range, also they are more flickable so more fun to ride in the city and on the highway.
And I've had an RTR 160 in the past and I have ridden the 180 too and they both vibrated so bad I couldn't go above 70-80kmph, so take a test ride and if the bike is vibe-free, it's a no brainer over the FZ.

**krishna77** · 05-28-2018, 11:24 AM

Re: FZ S FI or Apache 160 4v FI

Originally posted by Kuntas Mande View Post

Hi Fellows,

I hope this is the right place to initiate the discussion I intend to have.

So, since the launch of Apache 160 4v, I am excited because of the (supposed) money-to-value proposition.
I have been in a confused state for quite a while now, about "Which bike to buy in 150-160 cc segment?".

I never liked Gixxer (looks and all, I know!) and the current Honda stable (because Honda still don't understand the importance of a kill switch!) as the possible contenders.

Yamaha FZ S FI, however, particularly interested me, despite its comparatively lower power and mileage figures.
(Also liked Fazer 150, but for some reason, that didn't stick.)

Now that I have another choice in Apache 160 4v, I have tried to list some of its aspects as compared to FZ S FI.
And I request your expertise/views on whether 160 4v FI is a sensible buy, even though it is dearer by at least INR 6000.

Good points:

Oil cooling, Four valves instead of two,
Kick start available,
Petal shaped discs,
Mapped ignition instead of CDI (unsure if this is beneficial yet),
Higher ground clearance,
Monoshock suspension
More amperage battery,
DRLs,
60W/55W headlight (for FI version only)
~11 cc more and hence slightly higher torque, power figures

Not-so-good points:

Smaller diameter discs as breaks,
Thinner tyres,
Thinner front suspension forks,
Heavier,
Newest entrant

Regards,
KM

My 2 cents.

Power is not the 'only' criteria while selecting a bike. It is 'one of the many' criteria like reliability, finish, smoothness, comfort, vibration, FE, long term ownership, after sales service to name a few. While considering the BHPs and CCs while purchasing a bike is good, do not over emphasize on these. Think practically and you'll realize that in the long term, you will hardly utilize the entire power range of your bike. Choose something with a good low and mid end torque if you ride even 70% within the city.
The newer Apaches are far better than their old siblings in terms of vibration and refinement. Apaches are a good choice for Indian roads. The FZ on the other hand has less power compared to the RTR series but compensates in terms of overall quality and riding pleasure.

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