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Well, As per your requirements and like to tour alot, i would suggest the karizma-R. As the karizma goes, Unless you have a fall, you wont be using any spares and in about 10k to 12k, you need to change the front disk pads, which you can use apache's 350RS pads without any problem. But if you want "Power Pack Performance" (i stole this from someone's sig, srry!!!) then the pulsar is fine if you dont mind the vibes... Many people think that the pulsar 220 is also good for touring and it has the best pickup and i believe top speed.. And also, the pillion seat and driver seat in the Karizma is pretty comfortable as many zma owners have said. i dont know anything about R15. but i can tell you about P220 and ZMA.

1. Karizma has a good seating posture for both city rides and touring.
   Pulsar has a mediam seating posture, a little leaned.
2. Karizma Packs 17BHP with a top speed of 140. (Not sure bout speedo errors)
   Pulsar has 21BHP with a top speed of 150 (Again, not sure of speedo errors)
3. Karizma lasts quite longer and its sort of a known fact...
4. Not sure about pillions...
5. Karizma & Pulsar both give about the same

**Srry, i dont know anything about R15 except that it has a racing posture. thats it. Hope it helps..

^^^ but as i have already asked...zma is in market for quite some time now and that even without any engine modifications....can it compete with the today's bike...??

Yea sure why not??? its still one of the best tourers out there in the market... ask any of the pro's in xBHP

m not doubting the abilities of zma but the p220dtsi n r15 r the latest in market with latest techno n engine mods....won't the be better....

*if someone can tell me about all the three....

Hi, these are some inputs from my side-

P220- Great power packed performance in comparison to the other bikes and would undoubtedly beat the ZMA and R-15(stock ofcourse) in terms of outright accelaration, topspeed, low-end, mid-range torque. The posture is a little towards the sportier side where you lean more than the ZMA but less than the R-15, According to me the P220 posture is excellent for confidence at high speeds compared to the upright posture of the ZMA and more relaxed than the R-15 for city rides. Mileage will be about 35-37.

ZMA-R- A great over-all package. A lot of touring in India happens on Karizmas as they have super reliable, smooth Honda engines with enough grunt to go about touring,commuting etc.(A ZMA does everything with gusto) But now with the P220 in the market at a very competitive price the ZMA lacks the raw power and the technological edge and feels somewhat dated. The posture is of course upright and comfortable but sometimes while cornering hard on it you feel that the handle bars should have been little lower. Mileage will be around 35 but if you rip it will give only 26 (first hand experience). Pillion seats are quite good on ZMA as well as P220.

R-15- R-15 is a bike which is full of amazing technology when compared to Indian bikes of course. It is an amazing track tool and very precise machine in corners you can put it exactly where you want. Though i cant come to terms with the posture which is real sporty with the footpegs set way back it might give you a lot of pain in your wrists or lower-back if you dont get adjusted well. The power in this bike is all concentrated above 6000 rpm, no real low-end torque so not pleasurable in city commutes in traffic etc. The mileage again some people say its 35 though my friend gets around 40 with sedate riding. But i think this bike is not really value-for-money in a way. Pillion seat is ok but the other two have more comfortable ones.

I would suggest the P220 if you want some real bang for your buck though

^^^ thanks for the detailed review....

do you have the knowledge about the vibes in the front fairing of p220....i mean are there any vibes problem in the 2010 p220 models and if yes then how can it be removed.....

Oh one thing i forgot to mention was that at high speeds the RVMs become difficult to use probably because of vibes in the faring, the mirrors vibrate so much that you cant see clearly at all. But this issue is limited the Pulsar 220 F (the one with the fairing). The Pulsar 220S naturally does not have this problem.
But i would still suggest the Pulsar 220 F as it will stand out and never get lost in the hordes of 150s and 180s. And it is a minor issue compared to the package you are getting.

P.S.- Check the P220 ownership thread. someone might have a solution to the problem

If you compare with R15, P220 certainly has vibrations. I was having similar dillema and then chose R15. You can go through my thread here:


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I have updated the details I found on TD on page 4

Do I see a typo in the thread name?

What technology are you talking about which makes it dated? and does it perform less compared to its immediate competition because of this dated/no technology? then how come it is more refined than the tech-laden P-220?

R15 is the worst way in which green-bucks can be spent, the bike should be priced at 70,000 because all it carries is plastics and how much would plastics cost?

bajaj can't compare with companies like Honda or Yamaha when it comes to engine reliability and refinement...

thanks for the suggestions buddies....if the vibes can be controlled then i think i will be more inclined to the p220....

can anyone help me with the ways to remove or reduce the vibes......

Check the p220 ownership experience man,people have used double sided tape to reduce the vibration upto a large extent