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nitrosatya · 10-24-2008, 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Speed Pujari

Does that makes butterflies fly in anyone's stomach? At least not in mine.

Well, the big bikes are available in the grey market. U can buy a Ducati officially in India.

But an Indian manufacturer making an international std. bike till say 400-600 makes butterflies fly in my stomach. Atleast when the bike will be in range 2-3 lacs!

@maverick:No concrete info bro. Just rumors floating around about a bigger Pulsar [or Bajaj] thats it.

Speed Pujari · 10-24-2008, 11:01 AM

will we not purchase a Busa for direct 13000$ i.e. 7 lacs INR or
a R6 for 9000$ i.e. 4.5 lakhs INR if available officially. and this is the point we are trying to debate on..

If available on these prices I will never ever think about their counterpart from bajaj or TVS ..

Its an era of globalisation now and I am in no mood to give donation to Indian low quality auto companies **...

** The way people donate to Tata by purchasing Indica , Sumo grande etc. having better and proven high quality options available like Toyota, suzuki etc.

kriss · 10-24-2008, 11:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Speed Pujari

will we not purchase a Busa for direct 13000$ i.e. 7 lacs INR or
a R6 for 9000$ i.e. 4.5 lakhs INR if available officially. and this is the point we are trying to debate on..
If available on these prices I will never ever think about their counterpart from bajaj or TVS ...

Well said... But when can we get a busa for 7lakh rs ? or an r6 for 4.5 laks ?? In india..its certainly not... And lets not forget the import duties.

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Its an era of globalisation now and I am in no mood to give donation to Indian low quality auto companies **...

Its never a low quality.... We should remember honda...suzuki and yamaha...were the same some years back when they entered industry.

And a country like us... We use bikes for our daily commutation... People in india (most of them) dont want powerful bikes for commuting.

PS: I suspect that yamaha may increase its prices on their official bikes.

theslayer · 10-24-2008, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by kriss

Its never a low quality.... We should remember honda...suzuki and yamaha...were the same some years back when they entered industry.

Thats another debate all together don't you think bro? The progress they did in the span of their existence, have we done for as long as we've existed?

Every year, the Japanese biggies shave off a couple more kilos, work on the electronics, the slipper clutch and so on. When the motorcycle is already 'good enough' why do they make it even better? Do we have that kind of inclination? Do we even bother? No surprise we make so much money that we are capable of buying out companies like Triumph and Ducati!

Is it possible to debate on this topic over a plate of biryani instead of a cup of coffee?

realredice · 10-24-2008, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by theslayer

Thats another debate all together don't you think bro? The progress they did in the span of their existence, have we done for as long as we've existed?

Every year, the Japanese biggies shave off a couple more kilos, work on the electronics, the slipper clutch and so on. When the motorcycle is already 'good enough' why do they make it even better? Do we have that kind of inclination? Do we even bother? No surprise we make so much money that we are capable of buying out companies like Triumph and Ducati!

Is it possible to debate on this topic over a plate of biryani instead of a cup of coffee?

Its the Indian mentality (sorry for generalizing)... why fix what ain't broke... as long as numbers are sold nobody bothers... our manufacturers don't have the sense of betterment (don't know if that is even a word)...

kriss · 10-24-2008, 05:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by theslayer

Thats another debate all together don't you think bro? The progress they did in the span of their existence, have we done for as long as we've existed?

Every year, the Japanese biggies shave off a couple more kilos, work on the electronics, the slipper clutch and so on. When the motorcycle is already 'good enough' why do they make it even better? Do we have that kind of inclination? Do we even bother? No surprise we make so much money that we are capable of buying out companies like Triumph and Ducati!

Is it possible to debate on this topic over a plate of biryani instead of a cup of coffee?

even a biryani isn't sufficient for this kind of .. debate.

Sunny · 10-25-2008, 09:58 AM

@grey and Niks: Brothers, chill. Whats the point in fighting over something for which we have a common passion. Shake hands and rub your helmets

greyanaroth · 10-25-2008, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Sunny

@grey and Niks: Brothers, chill. Whats the point in fighting over something for which we have a common passion. Shake hands and rub your helmets

I wasn't really fighting. I was, uh, debating

*Hai Five*?

rockrider · 10-30-2008, 12:01 PM

Before the server-crash, there was a post by someone about the strict regulations about obtaining a license in France. I wish I could find it. A comparison between norms there with those here will probably bring more perspective to the debate.

I am sure everyone here wants a choice (an affordable one that is). I for one want it. However, a word of caution is a must in terms infrastructure and (biking) education. Both have to be adequate. More important question is, should the choice come first expecting that, perhaps after little chaos, the natural evolution forces us to be take measures in disciplining people? Or should the discipline come first and power should follow later? Or can there be a middle path to it. I wish to tread the line

Finally one word about the NiCd thing

. Love it or hate it. The economics and the resources are already sweeping the four wheeler technology with alternate means of energy. The transformation is inevitable. The technology may come much later for the two wheelers, when the innovation makes it compact, efficient and hence more powerful.

And in the context of what next, I for one believe that the Indian companies will have an advantage if they invest some chunk in the alternate means of energy. Make a collaborative or indigenous effort but make it happen. Put a good number of tech guys there. As far as petrol fuelled higher capacity bikes are concerned, put your MBA guys there. Partner with biggies and get the bikes at cheaper prices. Package them with more attractive offers like 2 training days at a track. Make it an experience. Build a brand image as a responsible company. I know people shying away from pulsar and choosing passion plus just because their parents think that Pulsars (Bajaj bikes) are accident prone. No flame intended. I agree to it that Pulsar/Bajaj has got nothing to do with it. A good number of people fail to make a smooth transition from a 100cc bikes drum brake to higher ones with disc brake getting an impression that the later are not safe.

ken cool · 10-30-2008, 12:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rockrider

Before the server-crash, there was a post by someone about the strict regulations about obtaining a license in France. I wish I could find it. A comparison between norms there with those here will probably bring more perspective to the debate.

I am sure everyone here wants a choice (an affordable one that is). I for one want it. However, a word of caution is a must in terms infrastructure and (biking) education. Both have to be adequate. More important question is, should the choice come first expecting that, perhaps after little chaos, the natural evolution forces us to be take measures in disciplining people?

Finally one word about the NiCd thing

. Love it or hate it. The economics and the resources are already sweeping the four wheeler technology with alternate means of energy. The transformation is inevitable.

And in the context of what next, I for one believe that the Indian companies will have an advantage if they invest some chunk in the alternate means of energy. Make a collaborative or indigenous effort but make it happen. Put a good number of tech guys there. As far as petrol fuelled higher capacity bikes are concerned, put your MBA guys there. Partner with biggies and get the bikes at cheaper prices. Package them with more attractive offers like 2 training days at a track. Make it an experience. Build a brand image as a responsible company. I know people shying away from pulsar and choosing passion plus just because their parents think that Pulsars (Bajaj bikes) are accident prone. No flame intended. I agree to it that Pulsar/Bajaj has got nothing to do with it. A good number of people fail to make a smooth transition from a 100cc bikes drum brake to higher ones with disc brake getting an impression that the later are not safe.

A lot of pertinent points. But "Sweeping" is a strong word I feel. I am aware of the figures of hybrid cars sold in the world. And it is not inconsequential I agree. But it is not happening very soon.

I totally agree with the "parental" impression thing about bigger bikes being dangerous. It is an aspect that exists for a lot of people.

About the discipline part... we have been, are and will be a lot far removed from discipline. And it will remain so as long as we have the "itna tô chalta hai" attitude. Discipline is NOT our strong point.

About the bit of the French riding system, yes that has been lost. They were marvellous valuable contributions from a French rider called Bluemoon in the older version of xBhp. I don't think that she is a member anymore. That loss is a pity.

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Sunny SlowMotionInfinity Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Delhi Posts: 7,292	@grey and Niks: Brothers, chill. Whats the point in fighting over something for which we have a common passion. Shake hands and rub your helmets

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rockrider Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Mumbai Posts: 185	Before the server-crash, there was a post by someone about the strict regulations about obtaining a license in France. I wish I could find it. A comparison between norms there with those here will probably bring more perspective to the debate. I am sure everyone here wants a choice (an affordable one that is). I for one want it. However, a word of caution is a must in terms infrastructure and (biking) education. Both have to be adequate. More important question is, should the choice come first expecting that, perhaps after little chaos, the natural evolution forces us to be take measures in disciplining people? Or should the discipline come first and power should follow later? Or can there be a middle path to it. I wish to tread the line Finally one word about the NiCd thing . Love it or hate it. The economics and the resources are already sweeping the four wheeler technology with alternate means of energy. The transformation is inevitable. The technology may come much later for the two wheelers, when the innovation makes it compact, efficient and hence more powerful. And in the context of what next, I for one believe that the Indian companies will have an advantage if they invest some chunk in the alternate means of energy. Make a collaborative or indigenous effort but make it happen. Put a good number of tech guys there. As far as petrol fuelled higher capacity bikes are concerned, put your MBA guys there. Partner with biggies and get the bikes at cheaper prices. Package them with more attractive offers like 2 training days at a track. Make it an experience. Build a brand image as a responsible company. I know people shying away from pulsar and choosing passion plus just because their parents think that Pulsars (Bajaj bikes) are accident prone. No flame intended. I agree to it that Pulsar/Bajaj has got nothing to do with it. A good number of people fail to make a smooth transition from a 100cc bikes drum brake to higher ones with disc brake getting an impression that the later are not safe.

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