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Old 04-23-2010, 09:34 AM   #11 (permalink)
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^^ that would be interesting, but im guessing its gonna be the FZish looking sym cevalo or something, 125cc.
JD, Mahindra may not be able to do any of the wishlist talked here unless they partner with some company & they too know this. Bajaj has a strong affiliation towards Kawasaki & in recent terms sharing with KTM. Now that's one side story, HH is already selling in good numbers with Bajaj fast catching up, TVS has already rooted confidence with Apache; not to mention the serious players like Yamaha, Honda & Suzuki. Now if Mahindra has only one advantage that its their own soil, however, they need to prove something & that something cannot be taken from thin air other than they do something miracleously or practically with a JV with some motorcycle company abroad.
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Old 04-23-2010, 10:26 AM   #12 (permalink)
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Plz plz plz plz plzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz relaunch Comet GT250. I promise, I will Buy one.

Or How about GT250R at 2Lacish price range?Pulsar 200 for sale .
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^^ That would be interesting, but im guessing its gonna be the FZish looking sym cevalo or something, 125cc.
I think you are right. But why do they need uptil 2011 for making a 125cc bike?
I seriously doubt how it would fare in our already overloaded market.
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But why do they need uptil 2011 for making a 125cc bike?
I seriously doubt how it would fare in our already overloaded market.


Remember what happened to LML when it jumped into the motorcycle market with two disasters named ENERGY and ADRENO, ruled by HERO HONDA,BAJAJ,TVS.

Mahindra guys, be in your SUV department and try to make them good, you can't be BMW which makes exotics in both 2 and 4 wheelers.

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Old 04-23-2010, 11:16 AM   #14 (permalink)
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I don't hope much from M&M. Their so far launches Rodeo and Duro are sub standard and I don't hope them to beat likes of Honda/Yamaha unless they foray into some niche segment altogether.
You got so wrong! Rodeo and Duro are decent products and do come up with standards of other scoots around. The place they fall behind is Lack of service chain and Mahindra being new in it.

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But why do they need uptil 2011 for making a 125cc bike?
I seriously doubt how it would fare in our already overloaded market.
I believe it (Cevalo 125) would be like R15 in 150cc....same cubic capacity..but much more to it. Remember 15ps power.

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Remember what happened to LML when it jumped into the motorcycle market with two disasters named ENERGY and ADRENO, ruled by HERO HONDA,BAJAJ,TVS.

Mahindra guys, be in your SUV department and try to make them good, you can't be BMW which makes exotics in both 2 and 4 wheelers.

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Nothing wrong in trying, Mahindra has lots of cash. Not cash sick as LML. They can afford those experiments.

And yeah, Even those LML bike were not bad at all. Those bikes were too early for indian market. And LML was marked for very good scooters that did not help in rebuilding its image into motorcycles.
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You got so wrong! Rodeo and Duro are very good products and do come up with standards of other scoots around. The place they lack is Lack of service chain and Mahindra being new in it.
My family owns a duro and I can v[ouch] for its sub standard quality. To name few:
- worst plastic/fabric used
- shockers are like they have been plummeted for 20yrs before fitting to it
- my parents keep thinking that it doesn't fall apart while riding. Full body seems to be fragile.
To see the quality just set their RVMs and after riding for 100 meters it is off by at least 20-30 degrees by own and here, I am talking about a relatively new scoot bought in Dec end.
It could be little better for super luxurious roads which Indians are deprived of, but for any sub urban roads, it is too much to take care of.
I have read somewhere some really **good** words for rodeo too.

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Ohh yeah, after sales is even worse. For last month I couldn't get them to understand that too soft shockers and really bad ground clearance is a genuine problem.
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Old 04-23-2010, 01:34 PM   #16 (permalink)
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Speaking to Business Standard, a marketing official of Mahindra’s two-wheeler division divulged details on the launch date of its new motorcycle for India.
D Shinde, vice president, marketing, Mahindra Two-Wheelers -
We are currently working on launching a motorcycle from the Mahindra stable that can be expected to hit the market some time in March 2011. Our priority is to focus on that for now
The motorcycle market in India is expected to be around eight million vehicles a year and it makes business sense for Mahindra to enter this space. Mahindra is working with its Italian partner Engines Engineering and Taiwan-based company Sanyang Industry Company Ltd. for developing this two-wheeler which could be a commuter.
It was earlier reported that Mahindra is looking at bringing high-end motorcycles into India by partnering with an overseas brand.
Mahindra is expected to produce this motorcycle at its two-wheeler plant at Pithampur near Indore which has an annual capacity of 5,00,000 units.
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Mahindra & Mahindra (M&M), the country's leading utility vehicles maker that forayed into the two-wheeler sector last year, is now busy working on coming up with an electric variant around the end of next year.
According to sources, the company is working on developing e-scooters in the range of 250-1,000W. M&M launched three 125cc scooters last year, the Mahindra Rodeo, Duro and Flyte. It had taken over the two-wheeler business of Pune-based Kinetic Motor Co Ltd in July 2008 for Rs 110 crore and relaunched the products in September 2009. The company managed to sell 70,000 units in 2009-10.
“We want to be present as an end-to-end player in the two-wheeler space and will take a call on these Kinetic models, depending on the market feedback. We are looking at positioning our products uniquely,” Anoop Mathur, president of M&M’s two-wheeler division, had told Business Standard earlier. In its current portfolio, the Rodeo is for the stylish adult male, while the Duro is targeted at the entire family. The Flyte is for the female commuter.
D Shinde, vice president, marketing, Mahindra Two-Wheelers, said: “We are currently working on launching a motorcycle from the Mahindra stable that can be expected to hit the market some time in March 2011. Electric scooters are an opportunity that we are looking at, but in the long term."
He added that the motorcycle market in the country is expected to be around eight million vehicles a year, “and therefore our priority is to focus on that for now”. Mahindra has been working on its motorcycle model with its Italian partner, Engines Engineering, and Taiwan's Sanyang Industry Company Ltd. Mahindra’s two-wheeler plant at Pithampur near Indore has an annual capacity of 5,00,000 units.
As for electric scooters, Kinetic Motor had the requisite technology. Currently, the electric two-wheeler market is estimated at 0.1 million units a year and is dominated by Electrotherm India and TVS Motors.





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Old 04-23-2010, 07:00 PM   #17 (permalink)
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I don't hope much from M&M. Their so far launches Rodeo and Duro are sub standard and I don't hope them to beat likes of Honda/Yamaha unless they foray into some niche segment altogether.
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My family owns a duro and I can v[ouch] for its sub standard quality. To name few:
- worst plastic/fabric used
- shockers are like they have been plummeted for 20yrs before fitting to it
- my parents keep thinking that it doesn't fall apart while riding. Full body seems to be fragile.
To see the quality just set their RVMs and after riding for 100 meters it is off by at least 20-30 degrees by own and here, I am talking about a relatively new scoot bought in Dec end.
It could be little better for super luxurious roads which Indians are deprived of, but for any sub urban roads, it is too much to take care of.
I have read somewhere some really **good** words for rodeo too.

Full review:
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Ohh yeah, after sales is even worse. For last month I couldn't get them to understand that too soft shockers and really bad ground clearance is a genuine problem.

You would be a better person than me to comment upon the quality of Duro as you own it.
But, personally, I found the them Rodeo & Duro to be the most agile and responsive scooters in India. Leave the top end, low end and mid range is just fantastic.







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Remember what happened to LML when it jumped into the motorcycle market with two disasters named ENERGY and ADRENO, ruled by HERO HONDA,BAJAJ,TVS.

Mahindra guys, be in your SUV department and try to make them good, you can't be BMW which makes exotics in both 2 and 4 wheelers.

PS:
your scoots are no good too.
Energy & Adreno were pretty good bikes. As Riaz said, they were a little before time and did not have a good backup.
Their 110cc versions (FX) produced 9bhps at that time which have been equalled by Twister now.
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Old 04-24-2010, 12:00 AM   #18 (permalink)
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Kinetic gifted the market some products way ahead of its own time,
1.GF125,it had 4-valve tech.Made 12bhp being a 125cc,while classic P150 made 12bhp being a 150cc.Now people shouts about a Pulsar 135LS.....irony.
2.Laser and GF170 wid their 165cc engines,never knew what they performed like,but the Kinetic Blaze had its engine borrowed from them.Believe me Blaze had some performance even being a scooter.
3.Kinetic Comet.............250cc,27 bhp(restricted) V-twin,India saw something like that after a long time after RD350 and that too for only Rs.1,25,000.Nowadays, only a marginally ahead Ninja 250 boasts Rs.3,00,000
4.Kinetic Aquila cruiser..............for once Royal Enfield was compelled to revamp their products,with gearshift on the correct side and producing the Thunderbird,looking at it.
Kinetic sank for poor dealerships,and also a bit of ignorance towards the market.

This wont be repeated by M&M.
M&M wud play a more practical game.Scorpio was launched infront of my eyes and today its a mega hit.Ok M&M makes SUVs, so what,they wud do their thing again in two wheelers.How about very mordern 125cc 2Ts producing 250 shaming bhp,produced here in India.......a privilege that was for so long enjoyed in Europe only by the likes of Cagiva and KTM.For once more Euro has stricter emission parameters than BS.Then we will find Bajaj bringing something from their KTM household.So underestimating M&M wud be a fasle call.We just have to wait and appreciate.They need to do things differently than any other Indian manufacturers.

I however miss the Hyosung Comet 250cc bikes really,can someone pls bring them back here again.........the revamped Comet GT250R.
Come on M&M u r game,if u can bring scoots from SYM,why not a good 250 from Hyosung ????? The playground is urs, play the game.

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It was earlier reported that Mahindra is looking at bringing high-end motorcycles into India by partnering with an overseas brand.

Ok I am looking for a Rocket 3 too.......... someone pls also bring it in.
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Remember what happened to LML when it jumped into the motorcycle market with two disasters named ENERGY and ADRENO, ruled by HERO HONDA,BAJAJ,TVS.

Mahindra guys, be in your SUV department and try to make them good, you can't be BMW which makes exotics in both 2 and 4 wheelers.

PS:
your scoots are no good too.
hey man, you are genius........ then you'll say only Honda & Yamaha are the only two bike makers in India....... LML gone down because of the lack of their servicing....... I still remember the unavailability of shockers during my school days....... the servicing were real bad....... and at that time those bikes were real good....... being only 110cc, they were real good...... and never give up trying.......
and the comment on the scooter is not needed from my side........ you own it, you know better.......

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Kinetic gifted the market some products way ahead of its own time,
1.GF125,it had 4-valve tech.Made 12bhp being a 125cc,while classic P150 made 12bhp being a 150cc.Now people shouts about a Pulsar 135LS.....irony.
2.Laser and GF170 wid their 165cc engines,never knew what they performed like,but the Kinetic Blaze had its engine borrowed from them.Believe me Blaze had some performance even being a scooter.
3.Kinetic Comet.............250cc,27 bhp(restricted) V-twin,India saw something like that after a long time after RD350 and that too for only Rs.1,25,000.Nowadays, only a marginally ahead Ninja 250 boasts Rs.3,00,000
4.Kinetic Aquila cruiser..............for once Royal Enfield was compelled to revamp their products,with gearshift on the correct side and producing the Thunderbird,looking at it.
Kinetic sank for poor dealerships,and also a bit of ignorance towards the market.
Kinetic tried many good things....... their products were good....... but somehow they failed.......

M&M bring some good bikes....... and increase your service centres and improve servicing........
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Kinetic tried many good things....... their products were good....... but somehow they failed.......

M&M bring some good bikes....... and increase your service centres and improve servicing........
I too had HORRIBLE experience with Kinetic,
My kinetic nova which i had been riding before getting my bike was one of them
at the last of its life, its mileage had gone to 13-14 KMPL.
I couldn't even bunk my tuition's as it demanded a lot of money to take
that petrol drinking monster out for a roam while I bunked my tuition.
(that time no pocket money )

Kinetic(KH) once ruled with its Kinetic 4T.

Major problem with Kinetic was it provided power without reliability.
I still love the torque of my nova but the way it used to fail .......

Now M&M IF you don't play the cards right,(bring something different)
The Bajaj's, Honda's, Yamaha's and TVS are ready to dig a grave for your bikes.


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