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Thunder · 02-05-2010, 05:08 PM

Both the Bikes are VFM in thier Own Standards......
But when it comes to Touring delight Definetely ZMA stands First

ZMA - Higher CC Engine with Comparatively less power - makes the engine Stand still for Long Rides.... Excellent Chasis and Body frame makes it Constant in Higher RPM's, Fairing adds to the Touring Delight
Reliabilty is the best part AFA ZMA is Conc - Though its spare parts are will cost a Hole in the Pocket - It is a much reliable Bike if maintained Properly
Provides maximum comfort for the Pillion as the One doesnt needs to lean at the rider...

P220s - Higher CC Engine with Comparatively More Power - Also good for Touring and added RD provides maximum Stopping Power.... Excellent Top Speed but Tends for Vibration.....Tubeless Tyres adds Touring Spirit....But again the Reliability comes to a Question as A pulsar can only survive to its name for the first 3 or 4 years (depends upon maintenance) - Engine Knocking Sound is one of the problems...
Pillion needs to lean on the rider on high speeds and Sudden Brakes as - Coz of the Clip ons - rider has to lean a bit forward,,, as the pillion also has to...

Both the bikes has thier own Cons and Pros

At the end of the Day you have to decide it up ......

But do not Blame us - it you are overtaken by an P220 while riding a ZMA or a ZMA rider says i have my bike for more than 5 years without any problem if you ride a P220......

Binoy · 02-05-2010, 05:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thunder

Both the Bikes are VFM in thier Own Standards......
But when it comes to Touring delight Definetely ZMA stands First

ZMA - Higher CC Engine with Comparatively less power - makes the engine Stand still for Long Rides.... Excellent Chasis and Body frame makes it Constant in Higher RPM's, Fairing adds to the Touring Delight
Reliabilty is the best part AFA ZMA is Conc - Though its spare parts are will cost a Hole in the Pocket - It is a much reliable Bike if maintained Properly
Provides maximum comfort for the Pillion as the One doesnt needs to lean at the rider...

P220s - Higher CC Engine with Comparatively More Power - Also good for Touring and added RD provides maximum Stopping Power.... Excellent Top Speed but Tends for Vibration.....Tubeless Tyres adds Touring Spirit....But again the Reliability comes to a Question as A pulsar can only survive to its name for the first 3 or 4 years (depends upon maintenance) - Engine Knocking Sound is one of the problems...
Pillion needs to lean on the rider on high speeds and Sudden Brakes as - Coz of the Clip ons - rider has to lean a bit forward,,, as the pillion also has to...

Both the bikes has thier own Cons and Pros

At the end of the Day you have to decide it up ......

But do not Blame us - it you are overtaken by an P220 while riding a ZMA or a ZMA rider says i have my bike for more than 5 years without any problem if you ride a P220......

He he he...

... i liked it, there is no point in blaming us. here one can tell about their knowledge/experience/liking...

@Thread starter... at the end of the day it's upto your choice buddy... take a Test Ride of both the bikes and check which one suits your personality/choice... Good Luck...

soori · 02-05-2010, 05:31 PM

I agree with Thunder. Am hooked with the ownership threads. Am still in the initial posts as it is aroun 518 pages long..

I'm still waiting for the test ride of Pulsar 220S as it is not available here. I agree from most of the experienced guys here that Karizma is a best touring bike in its class. Again I get confused that I occasionally go on a long ride/ tour, might be once in 3 months or so.

To be frank, the styling factor and features, I get inclined over Pulsar 220S. And to the engine refinement, Karizma R gains a thumbs up.

Now, I'm feeling stressed on the engine niggles and issue, as well as vibrations at ~< 100km/h. And in terms of maintenance, don't ignore even a single issues as far as now with the other 2 bikes. And once again, wish Karizma R would upgrade some of the specifications and features.

Does oil cooled engine help pulsar 220CC in any aspects?

Also, at that RPM does both the bikes reach 80km/h and 100km/h?

Could anyone please point me to any thread where it describes what is the engine knocking problem is? I'm a noob when it comes to advanced issues.

Not but the least, I started loving xBhp.com . And from couple of hours my finger as glued in f5 key.

srini · 02-05-2010, 06:22 PM

Not again...everlasting battle between the two bikes here

. Anyway,for your requirement,zma fits the bill perfectly. Both the bikes here are awesome in their own right and i'll go with thunders post. Both the bikes are quite stable and vibe free in 80-100kmph range.you can get a clearer opinion once you get a chance to ride the 220 too.best of luck...

umeshkumawatsa · 02-05-2010, 06:29 PM

Just go for Karizma-r because it is reliable, durable and also has a good amount of torque and perfect for touring. There is a person in my Neighbour who is using 6 years old karizma (not zma-r) clocked 120k on odo and still it looks perfect.

I don't think pulsar would last that long

So in my opinion go for zma - r

rahul9985 · 02-05-2010, 06:52 PM

@ TS

A Karizma has a long stroke motor.
Its quite silent & makes respectable power.
It feels very smooth & is good for medium speed touring of speeds upto 100 kmph.
It has a comfortable commuterish seating position.
Doesnt have good lighting.
Incase of a drop bike is totalled & repair would cost a BOMB. Spares cost a lot.
Very realiable according to many ppl here. I sold mine within an year due to many issues.

A Pulsar220 has a short stroke motor. Revvs more & better.
Makes MUCH more power. Engine feels a bit on the harsher side but it is its character.
Very good for higher speed runs of over 120 kmph.
It has sporty clip-on handle bar but is designed pretty well to stand in between commuterish & sports position.
Has very good lighting incase of faired version.
Spares are really affordable.
Has crash guard & bike would be saved from any MAJOR damage on chassis.
MAY not serve u for over 5 years in the stock condition. Would need an engine overhaul.

For me Karizma is just another powerful commuter bike on the road. Would prefer a pulsar anyday due to its really usable power.

soori · 02-05-2010, 07:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rahul9985

@ TS

A Karizma has a long stroke motor.
Its quite silent & makes respectable power.
It feels very smooth & is good for medium speed touring of speeds upto 100 kmph.
It has a comfortable commuterish seating position.
Doesnt have good lighting.
Spares cost a BOMB.
Very realiable according to many ppl here. I sold mine within an year due to many issues.

A Pulsar220 has a short stroke motor. Revvs more & better.
Makes MUCH more power. Engine feels a bit on the harsher side but it is its character.
Very good for higher speed runs of over 120 kmph.
It has sporty clip-on handle bar but is designed pretty well to stand in between commuterish & sports position.
Has very good lighting.
Spares are really affordable.
MAY not serve u for over 5 years in the stock condition. Would need an engine overhaul.

For me Karizma is just another powerful commuter bike on the road. Would prefer a pulsar anyday due to its really usable power.

Thanks for highlighting the factors.

rahul9985 · 02-05-2010, 07:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by soori

Thanks for highlighting the factors.

Post edited with more points..

soori · 02-05-2010, 07:15 PM

@ Rahul,

Would it mean that if the bike is followed with good routine maintenance process, it wont serve for 5 to 6 years?

ravi@17bhp · 02-05-2010, 08:19 PM

If you are a guy who does not bother about a P220 overtaking you at higher speeds, and wants to cruise at 100 kmph "comfortably", go for Karizma. Long-term issues of ZMA are very very lesser compared to a P220. P220 is not leagues ahead of a Karizma in terms of power, only marginal. After sales service is also better with Karizma than a P220.

For your requirements, ZMA is perfect. Go ahead with it.

02-05-2010, 05:08 PM	#11 (permalink)
Thunder Everywhere Join Date: May 2007 Location: Chennai Posts: 838	Both the Bikes are VFM in thier Own Standards...... But when it comes to Touring delight Definetely ZMA stands First ZMA - Higher CC Engine with Comparatively less power - makes the engine Stand still for Long Rides.... Excellent Chasis and Body frame makes it Constant in Higher RPM's, Fairing adds to the Touring Delight Reliabilty is the best part AFA ZMA is Conc - Though its spare parts are will cost a Hole in the Pocket - It is a much reliable Bike if maintained Properly Provides maximum comfort for the Pillion as the One doesnt needs to lean at the rider... P220s - Higher CC Engine with Comparatively More Power - Also good for Touring and added RD provides maximum Stopping Power.... Excellent Top Speed but Tends for Vibration.....Tubeless Tyres adds Touring Spirit....But again the Reliability comes to a Question as A pulsar can only survive to its name for the first 3 or 4 years (depends upon maintenance) - Engine Knocking Sound is one of the problems... Pillion needs to lean on the rider on high speeds and Sudden Brakes as - Coz of the Clip ons - rider has to lean a bit forward,,, as the pillion also has to... Both the bikes has thier own Cons and Pros At the end of the Day you have to decide it up ...... But do not Blame us - it you are overtaken by an P220 while riding a ZMA or a ZMA rider says i have my bike for more than 5 years without any problem if you ride a P220...... __________________ .......Just a Biker.......

02-05-2010, 05:31 PM	#13 (permalink)
soori Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: IXE Posts: 18	I agree with Thunder. Am hooked with the ownership threads. Am still in the initial posts as it is aroun 518 pages long.. I'm still waiting for the test ride of Pulsar 220S as it is not available here. I agree from most of the experienced guys here that Karizma is a best touring bike in its class. Again I get confused that I occasionally go on a long ride/ tour, might be once in 3 months or so. To be frank, the styling factor and features, I get inclined over Pulsar 220S. And to the engine refinement, Karizma R gains a thumbs up. Now, I'm feeling stressed on the engine niggles and issue, as well as vibrations at ~< 100km/h. And in terms of maintenance, don't ignore even a single issues as far as now with the other 2 bikes. And once again, wish Karizma R would upgrade some of the specifications and features. Does oil cooled engine help pulsar 220CC in any aspects? Also, at that RPM does both the bikes reach 80km/h and 100km/h? Could anyone please point me to any thread where it describes what is the engine knocking problem is? I'm a noob when it comes to advanced issues. Not but the least, I started loving xBhp.com . And from couple of hours my finger as glued in f5 key. Last edited by soori; 02-05-2010 at 05:58 PM. Reason: Engine knocking issue

02-05-2010, 06:22 PM	#14 (permalink)
srini confused biker Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: b'lore Posts: 971	Not again...everlasting battle between the two bikes here. Anyway,for your requirement,zma fits the bill perfectly. Both the bikes here are awesome in their own right and i'll go with thunders post. Both the bikes are quite stable and vibe free in 80-100kmph range.you can get a clearer opinion once you get a chance to ride the 220 too.best of luck... __________________ *as soon as i believe Im the best,Im not the best anymore...*

02-05-2010, 06:52 PM	#16 (permalink)
rahul9985 rev "UN" limiter Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Hyderabad Posts: 936	@ TS A Karizma has a long stroke motor. Its quite silent & makes respectable power. It feels very smooth & is good for medium speed touring of speeds upto 100 kmph. It has a comfortable commuterish seating position. Doesnt have good lighting. Incase of a drop bike is totalled & repair would cost a BOMB. Spares cost a lot. Very realiable according to many ppl here. I sold mine within an year due to many issues. A Pulsar220 has a short stroke motor. Revvs more & better. Makes MUCH more power. Engine feels a bit on the harsher side but it is its character. Very good for higher speed runs of over 120 kmph. It has sporty clip-on handle bar but is designed pretty well to stand in between commuterish & sports position. Has very good lighting incase of faired version. Spares are really affordable. Has crash guard & bike would be saved from any MAJOR damage on chassis. MAY not serve u for over 5 years in the stock condition. Would need an engine overhaul. For me Karizma is just another powerful commuter bike on the road. Would prefer a pulsar anyday due to its really usable power. __________________ Biking is not my Passion, it is my Religion! DIY whatever it is..!! More on Facebook A Crash- Broken levers, loose chains - clogged filters, oil stains / Missing panels, clunky gears - scuffed leathers, chilled beers. :D Click to subscribe for SMS's of all upcoming xBhp Hyderabad rides and G2G's Last edited by rahul9985; 02-05-2010 at 07:07 PM. Reason: More points added. :)

02-05-2010, 08:19 PM	#20 (permalink)
ravi@17bhp The Explorer Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Hyderabad Posts: 3,688	If you are a guy who does not bother about a P220 overtaking you at higher speeds, and wants to cruise at 100 kmph "comfortably", go for Karizma. Long-term issues of ZMA are very very lesser compared to a P220. P220 is not leagues ahead of a Karizma in terms of power, only marginal. After sales service is also better with Karizma than a P220. For your requirements, ZMA is perfect. Go ahead with it. __________________ Honda CB Unicorn Dazzler (Current) \|\| CBF Stunner PGM-FI \|\| HH Karizma Honda Aviator \|\| Kinetic Flyte \|\| Kinetic Blaze \|\| HH Splendor

02-05-2010, 06:29 PM	#15 (permalink)
umeshkumawatsa Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Jaipur, Rajasthan Posts: 151	Just go for Karizma-r because it is reliable, durable and also has a good amount of torque and perfect for touring. There is a person in my Neighbour who is using 6 years old karizma (not zma-r) clocked 120k on odo and still it looks perfect. I don't think pulsar would last that long So in my opinion go for zma - r

02-05-2010, 07:15 PM	#19 (permalink)
soori Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: IXE Posts: 18	@ Rahul, Would it mean that if the bike is followed with good routine maintenance process, it wont serve for 5 to 6 years?

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