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  • #16
    @ TS

    A Karizma has a long stroke motor.
    Its quite silent & makes respectable power.
    It feels very smooth & is good for medium speed touring of speeds upto 100 kmph.
    It has a comfortable commuterish seating position.
    Doesnt have good lighting.
    Incase of a drop bike is totalled & repair would cost a BOMB. Spares cost a lot.
    Very realiable according to many ppl here. I sold mine within an year due to many issues.

    A Pulsar220 has a short stroke motor. Revvs more & better.
    Makes MUCH more power. Engine feels a bit on the harsher side but it is its character.
    Very good for higher speed runs of over 120 kmph.
    It has sporty clip-on handle bar but is designed pretty well to stand in between commuterish & sports position.
    Has very good lighting incase of faired version.
    Spares are really affordable.
    Has crash guard & bike would be saved from any MAJOR damage on chassis.
    MAY not serve u for over 5 years in the stock condition. Would need an engine overhaul.

    For me Karizma is just another powerful commuter bike on the road. Would prefer a pulsar anyday due to its really usable power.
    Last edited by rahul9985; 02-05-2010, 08:07 PM. Reason: More points added. :)
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    • #17
      Originally posted by rahul9985 View Post
      @ TS

      A Karizma has a long stroke motor.
      Its quite silent & makes respectable power.
      It feels very smooth & is good for medium speed touring of speeds upto 100 kmph.
      It has a comfortable commuterish seating position.
      Doesnt have good lighting.
      Spares cost a BOMB.
      Very realiable according to many ppl here. I sold mine within an year due to many issues.

      A Pulsar220 has a short stroke motor. Revvs more & better.
      Makes MUCH more power. Engine feels a bit on the harsher side but it is its character.
      Very good for higher speed runs of over 120 kmph.
      It has sporty clip-on handle bar but is designed pretty well to stand in between commuterish & sports position.
      Has very good lighting.
      Spares are really affordable.
      MAY not serve u for over 5 years in the stock condition. Would need an engine overhaul.

      For me Karizma is just another powerful commuter bike on the road. Would prefer a pulsar anyday due to its really usable power.
      Thanks for highlighting the factors.
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      • #18
        Originally posted by soori View Post
        Thanks for highlighting the factors.
        Post edited with more points..
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        • #19
          @ Rahul,

          Would it mean that if the bike is followed with good routine maintenance process, it wont serve for 5 to 6 years?
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          • #20
            If you are a guy who does not bother about a P220 overtaking you at higher speeds, and wants to cruise at 100 kmph "comfortably", go for Karizma. Long-term issues of ZMA are very very lesser compared to a P220. P220 is not leagues ahead of a Karizma in terms of power, only marginal. After sales service is also better with Karizma than a P220.

            For your requirements, ZMA is perfect. Go ahead with it.
            HH Karizma (Current) || CBF Stunner PGM-FI || Honda CB Unicorn Dazzler
            Honda Aviator || Kinetic Flyte || Kinetic Blaze || HH Splendor

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            • #21
              Originally posted by rahul9985 View Post
              @ TS

              Has crash guard & bike would be saved from any MAJOR damage on chassis.
              ZMA has facility fit a crash gaurd with extra 380/- or some. One from Xtreme is direct fit.
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              • #22
                Originally posted by riazmomin View Post
                ZMA has facility fit a crash gaurd with extra 380/- or some. One from Xtreme is direct fit.
                CBF Stunner's is also a very good fit and looks very neat also.
                HH Karizma (Current) || CBF Stunner PGM-FI || Honda CB Unicorn Dazzler
                Honda Aviator || Kinetic Flyte || Kinetic Blaze || HH Splendor

                Two ZMAs, 9 Days in Western Ghats

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by soori View Post
                  @ Rahul,

                  Would it mean that if the bike is followed with good routine maintenance process, it wont serve for 5 to 6 years?
                  It would definitely serve you more than 5 years if you take good care of the machine..
                  One bad thing about Pulsar is it drinks oil, so after 1k of riding after an engine oil change, you need to check for oil level regularly every 500kms and top up if required. Many of the pulsar's parts go for a toss because of overheating and this overheating is caused by none other than less amount of oil.
                  My advise is go for P220 as its king of most of the trades except for vibrations where zma betters it any day.. And vibrations doesnt mean that a p220 will shake you off the bike and drop you to ground .. its just that its more than a zma and is very much in tolerable limits.
                  Anyways, long term maintainance is not a problem buddy, as the P220 parts are cheaper, After 50k kms (Assuming you'll clock that much in next 4-5 years) you can rebuild the whole engine for say 15k rupees and use it for another 50k kms..
                  The bike is excellent on Highways, city limits and king of drags!! with projector lamps, its king of night touring even!! What more, you cant ask for everything!! Go get that 220 and enjoy that look of riders when u smoke them..

                  Happy Biking...
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                  • #24
                    since you want a durable long keeping touring bike,i would suggest a zma anyday for its proven established touring capabilities...however i needed raw power and abundant torque and 220 serves me with this purpose at ease in any band....
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                    • #25
                      d 220 is any day far better
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                      • #26
                        Go for ZMA if you want comfort and ride often with pillion.P220 wins in power and features.I own a Zma and my bro owns a p200 so i use both on regular basis.Zma is good for touring but only on the highway.P220 with its soft suspension is easier to ride off road.After buying zma a tourer will have to upgrade to better tyres, horn and better headlight and a crash guard if you prefer.While p220 can be used stock for a long time.
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                        • #27
                          @topic starter
                          go through the ownership experiences of both the bikes and decide..

                          p220 s for features and power

                          karizma for reliabilty handling and a perfect tourer...

                          my friend's brother owns a karizma...even after very bad maintanence it serves the purpose very well...
                          my vote is for karizma..

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                          • #28
                            I remember similiar dilemma before getting by bike. However, I had to choose between the zma and the 220FI. What did i get? Check my prof pic

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by riazmomin View Post
                              ZMA has facility fit a crash gaurd with extra 380/- or some. One from Xtreme is direct fit.
                              .. Never knew that HH provides a crash guard. Never seen even 1 on the road till date.
                              But you would have to compromise on the famous engine cowl.

                              Originally posted by soori View Post
                              @ Rahul,

                              Would it mean that if the bike is followed with good routine maintenance process, it wont serve for 5 to 6 years?
                              Well a Pulsar would most likely need an engine overhaul no matter how much care u take after about 1 lakh kms. When i say engine overhaul- bore & piston replacement & new clutch plates. It would serve you well.

                              If you are among those who just commute & dont really bother about ripping at real high speeds & can stay contended with what u have & play safe go for zma.
                              If you are one among those who would love to have a high speed ride in the weekend for a change & like commuting at a higher pace & dont mind spending for a service just for the thrill which it gives then go for a pulsar. U wouldnt regret.
                              Biking is not my Passion, it is my Religion!
                              DIY whatever it is..!!

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                              • #30
                                I am getting useful information here. Now, I am in a dilemma that what will I do if Karizma R phases out in a year or two? Only thing which is making me inclined towards Pulsar 220S is better rear tire, disk brake, oil cooled engine and digital speedometer.

                                Could please anyone tell me that disk brake and oil cooled engine makes sense to Pulsar 220S. Is it really useful to the bike?
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