[What Bike]: p220 vs the R15 - xBhp.com : The Global Indian Biking Community

augusta · 01-01-2009, 10:19 AM

After loads of pleading and three consecutive hunger strikes,dad has finally agreed to sell off the mighty honda and buy 'himself' a bike!..to my surprise hes not happy with the ongoing conditions of motorcycling in India so couldnt have anything in mind except the p220 and the R15!..but now we are confused??

He would be riding it most of the times and his top priorities include comfortability and the bike's ability to move around easily in traffic and also should be able to overtake traffic with ease.
He doesent tour much(and i cant!!) so the basically it would be in and around the city.!!.FE isnt a problem until and unless he is happy with the bike!
What say guys??

ps-the 15 grand price difference isnt a problem though.

Aryan · 01-01-2009, 10:27 AM

Topic Approved.

augusta · 01-01-2009, 10:28 AM

^thank you !

niranjanvaidya · 01-01-2009, 10:49 AM

Thats a very tricky question. Had it been a bike intended for you, I could have easily asked you to go in for anyone that suits your taste and comfort. Since the bike is for your Dad, there are other things that are involved in this decision...so lets look at it this way
Yamaha R15: Great bike, nimble, powerful and very reliable. May not really present you with a lot of torque low down (as compared to the 220). The seating position is sporty but comfortable; this may or may not be to your dad's liking.
P220: Great bike, raw power and torque. On the maintenance front, it may need more care than an R15. Frequent visits to PBK may not really be enjoyable. Handling is nice and seating is fairly sporty. The 220s seating posture may place more weight on the wrists initially till you find the correct position for your height.

All in all, if YOU were choosing a bike for YOURSELF, you would not go wrong with either of these. But for your dad, I would recommend the Karizma. Have a look at what all the ZiMA offers
HH Karizma (ZiMA): powerful and decent handler, proven reliability, quality is top class and you may not really require frequent visits to the service center. Seating position is very nice and you can actually much miles without feeling any fatigue.
Finally, I would recommend the ZiMA.

DriftKingNT · 01-01-2009, 11:41 AM

Both the bikes have their own pros and cons so ask your dad to make the decision on what they want. And as NV said Zma would be perfect for his needs.

augusta · 01-01-2009, 01:09 PM

dad thinks that the Zma is dated and lacks behind in tech stuff!!....but i think what is the use of such technology when one has to get it repaired every now and then!!...gotta think about HH now!

niranjanvaidya · 01-01-2009, 01:12 PM

Well, I am not saying that the R15 and the P220 need frequent repairs; but I am sure that most owners of these bikes will agree that these bikes are beyond comparison when on a song. Its just that the solid engineering in the ZiMA makes it quite fault tolerant and a better option given that your dad will be riding it.

As an alternative, you can also think of the RTR Fi. It has all the technological bits that need to be there on modern day machines. The only downsides are smallish size and vibes at high speeds(as read in the RTR thread).

chilled_fire · 01-01-2009, 01:16 PM

bro, if ur referring to 220 then tats not entirely true, trust me, if u like to take care of ur machine then ur machine will take care of you. atleast my machine has never left me stranded, its been around 16K kms now.

Bout R15, its the best bike with ref to technology rite now.not sure about its reliability but AFAIK its good, have riden along with two r15s for more than 500kms and both performed really well.

But if u/ur dad wants a "fill it ride it" bike then go for ZMA.

OT : Niranjan, is the DSG helmet sale still on ?

niranjanvaidya · 01-01-2009, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by chilled_fire

bro, if ur referring to 220 then tats not entirely true, trust me, if u like to take care of ur machine then ur machine will take care of you. atleast my machine has never left me stranded, its been around 16K kms now.

Bout R15, its the best bike with ref to technology rite now.not sure about its reliability but AFAIK its good, have riden along with two r15s for more than 500kms and both performed really well.

But if u/ur dad wants a "fill it ride it" bike then go for ZMA.

rite said...but just the fact that the bike is intended for his dad means that the care factor might be treated as "extensive maintenance"; hence recommended the ZiMA.

Puneet1 · 01-01-2009, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by augusta

He would be riding it most of the times and his top priorities include comfortability and the bike's ability to move around easily in traffic and also should be able to overtake traffic with ease.
He doesent tour much(and i cant!!) so the basically it would be in and around the city.!!.FE isnt a problem until and unless he is happy with the bike!
What say guys??

P220 is the 1 for u , its an all rounder -whether riding in traffic ,hills,highway
power is spread at a wider rev range unlike R15 whose power starts frm 7k Rpm . It easily overtakes nearly everything and is a nice handler.

If u want more comfort then go for Zma

01-01-2009, 10:19 AM	#1 (permalink)
augusta Biker....by default. Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: lajpat ngr, new delhi Posts: 365	p220 vs the R15 After loads of pleading and three consecutive hunger strikes,dad has finally agreed to sell off the mighty honda and buy 'himself' a bike!..to my surprise hes not happy with the ongoing conditions of motorcycling in India so couldnt have anything in mind except the p220 and the R15!..but now we are confused?? He would be riding it most of the times and his top priorities include comfortability and the bike's ability to move around easily in traffic and also should be able to overtake traffic with ease. He doesent tour much(and i cant!!) so the basically it would be in and around the city.!!.FE isnt a problem until and unless he is happy with the bike! What say guys?? ps-the 15 grand price difference isnt a problem though. __________________ No Nonsense Biker.

01-01-2009, 10:27 AM	#2 (permalink)
Aryan Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: New Delhi/ Shillong Posts: 18,274	Topic Approved. __________________ ...in search of that perfect world - My Travel Blog :)

01-01-2009, 10:28 AM	#3 (permalink)
augusta Biker....by default. Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: lajpat ngr, new delhi Posts: 365	^thank you ! __________________ No Nonsense Biker.

01-01-2009, 10:49 AM	#4 (permalink)
niranjanvaidya NV Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Pune Posts: 1,133	Thats a very tricky question. Had it been a bike intended for you, I could have easily asked you to go in for anyone that suits your taste and comfort. Since the bike is for your Dad, there are other things that are involved in this decision...so lets look at it this way Yamaha R15: Great bike, nimble, powerful and very reliable. May not really present you with a lot of torque low down (as compared to the 220). The seating position is sporty but comfortable; this may or may not be to your dad's liking. P220: Great bike, raw power and torque. On the maintenance front, it may need more care than an R15. Frequent visits to PBK may not really be enjoyable. Handling is nice and seating is fairly sporty. The 220s seating posture may place more weight on the wrists initially till you find the correct position for your height. All in all, if YOU were choosing a bike for YOURSELF, you would not go wrong with either of these. But for your dad, I would recommend the Karizma. Have a look at what all the ZiMA offers HH Karizma (ZiMA): powerful and decent handler, proven reliability, quality is top class and you may not really require frequent visits to the service center. Seating position is very nice and you can actually much miles without feeling any fatigue. Finally, I would recommend the ZiMA. __________________ Never argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and then beat you with experience.

01-01-2009, 11:41 AM	#5 (permalink)
DriftKingNT YAMARIDER Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Aurangabad Posts: 401	Both the bikes have their own pros and cons so ask your dad to make the decision on what they want. And as NV said Zma would be perfect for his needs. __________________ Yamaha YZF-R15 is Here

01-01-2009, 01:09 PM	#6 (permalink)
augusta Biker....by default. Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: lajpat ngr, new delhi Posts: 365	dad thinks that the Zma is dated and lacks behind in tech stuff!!....but i think what is the use of such technology when one has to get it repaired every now and then!!...gotta think about HH now! __________________ No Nonsense Biker.

01-01-2009, 01:12 PM	#7 (permalink)
niranjanvaidya NV Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Pune Posts: 1,133	Well, I am not saying that the R15 and the P220 need frequent repairs; but I am sure that most owners of these bikes will agree that these bikes are beyond comparison when on a song. Its just that the solid engineering in the ZiMA makes it quite fault tolerant and a better option given that your dad will be riding it. As an alternative, you can also think of the RTR Fi. It has all the technological bits that need to be there on modern day machines. The only downsides are smallish size and vibes at high speeds(as read in the RTR thread). __________________ Never argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and then beat you with experience. Last edited by niranjanvaidya; 01-01-2009 at 01:15 PM.

01-01-2009, 01:16 PM	#8 (permalink)
chilled_fire Diabolic God Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Singapore Posts: 476	bro, if ur referring to 220 then tats not entirely true, trust me, if u like to take care of ur machine then ur machine will take care of you. atleast my machine has never left me stranded, its been around 16K kms now. Bout R15, its the best bike with ref to technology rite now.not sure about its reliability but AFAIK its good, have riden along with two r15s for more than 500kms and both performed really well. But if u/ur dad wants a "fill it ride it" bike then go for ZMA. OT : Niranjan, is the DSG helmet sale still on ?

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