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**sunilg** · 08-19-2010, 01:23 PM

Topic approved.

A very good and sensible topic Abhi. I'll post my 2 cents in a short while.

**aargee** · 08-19-2010, 01:48 PM

I've voted less than 40 for the present situation I'm working; but I'm sure to be in all 3 categories at different point in time.

**pulsater** · 08-19-2010, 02:40 PM

Originally posted by sunilg View Post

Topic approved.

A very good and sensible topic Abhi. I'll post my 2 cents in a short while.

Thanks Sunil, would want to know what you have to say on this.

And just to add another fact, I have read that a worker can take a day off in a week any day, whenever he wants to without being questioned by his employer what so ever.

I may have put this wrong. Couldn't find a reliable info from Indian gov. sites on this part.

**aargee** · 08-19-2010, 02:56 PM

And just to add another fact, I have read that a worker can take a day off in a week any day, whenever he wants to without being questioned by his employer what so ever.

This may or may not be in the rule books of Govt; but one thing you're sure to find in the employee's handbook (not sure how many are aware & how many read it). It goes to mean that any leave is to be approved by manager OR continuous absence from work for 7 consecutive days is treated as absconding or quit OR an employee MUST inform the supervisor about the leave he's about to take in case of emergency.

So I guess the employee handbook over rules the Govt laws!!!

**pulsater** · 08-19-2010, 03:02 PM

Originally posted by aargee View Post

This may or may not be in the rule books of Govt; but one thing you're sure to find in the employee's handbook (not sure how many are aware & how many read it). It goes to mean that any leave is to be approved by manager OR continuous absence from work for 7 consecutive days is treated as absconding or quit OR an employee MUST inform the supervisor about the leave he's about to take in case of emergency.

So I guess the employee handbook over rules the Govt laws!!!

ya, I think its a valid rule/policy from companies and is or should be part of Indian law.

Few reference websites I am looking into, clearly mention all the employment laws in India

India Trade, Indian Employment Law, India Work Permits, India Pakistan Trade Unit
International Employment Law “Quick Facts”: India | International HR Forum

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**Ananth** · 08-19-2010, 03:45 PM

Well, on an average i work around 50 hours a week, If i work the 6th day (another 10 hours) then my employer gives the liberty to take any working day off (or a meager amount of 400 Rs.)

So I'm happy to over work & thankfully be able to add up my compensatory offs and ride long

**tibby** · 08-19-2010, 04:17 PM

Nice topic this.

I'm pretty sure the Labour Laws in Inida aren't put into pratice for reasons best known to the governments & companies.
It is also a right & duty of employees to be aware of such laws, and I hope atleast this thread brings out some awareness in this regard.

Regarding labour laws, I have heard that the UK government has framed some very nice laws, protecting interests of the workforce.
For instance, when I was at one of our MNC Investment Banking clients, I learnt that in the UK, a female employee is entitled to a minimum of 26 weeks of maternity leave. And this with I think 6 months being paid leave, next 3 months at 75% pay & so on. (I might be wrong with the numbers here, but the idea is right).
Whereas here in India, its only about 2-3 months of paid leave, & unpaid leave after that.

**pulsater** · 08-19-2010, 05:17 PM

Originally posted by tibby View Post

Regarding labour laws, I have heard that the UK government has framed some very nice laws, protecting interests of the workforce.
For instance, when I was at one of our MNC Investment Banking clients, I learnt that in the UK, a female employee is entitled to a minimum of 26 weeks of maternity leave. And this with I think 6 months being paid leave, next 3 months at 75% pay & so on. (I might be wrong with the numbers here, but the idea is right).
Whereas here in India, its only about 2-3 months of paid leave, & unpaid leave after that.

We shouldn't actually bring in the western countries work culture here in this thread coz it will seems pointless and uninfluenced to most of us because it is exceptionally good and is practised fairly by all companies, but now as you have mentioned so I will just add to it.

1. Maternity leaves are fully paid, though I am not sure about the period but it wouldn't be any less than 3 months.

2. You can take a day off, any day in a week if its a "sick leave" by just telephoning your manager in the morning or informing day before and you wouldn't be questioned for anything however they might request

**NitinGirish** · 08-19-2010, 09:14 PM

Fantastic topic. I quit because of this and I am now seriously considering teaching as a profession.

Don't blame Employers pulsater, blame employees. It's we guys who are bringing it upon ourselves. 7/10 people who overwork do so willingly. Why=Money.

Indians are seeing few bucks, sundry electronic gadgets and a semblance of material affluence in the past 10-15 years. They want more and some would say whats wrong in that? Well, whats wrong in being a wannabe?

People don't come before 10 and nobody stays back after 6 because they belong to more EVOLVED cultures, where life has different aspects and career, money is powering different aspects. Unlike in India where career and work clouds everyother dimension of life.

I could go on. Whats the point... It will take atleast a generation to reverse this trend.

**kurtrules** · 08-19-2010, 09:29 PM

@Pulsater: Since you have taken the Infosys example, I would like to say one thing. The work out there is quite abrupt. At one point of time you are struggling day and night on a project and then after it is all over, the next half a year you are all to yourself, no questions asked. I guess that balances out the equation. But then again, I agree, the work environment, all over India, was never congenial towards the employee...

**pulsater** · 08-19-2010, 10:28 PM

Originally posted by NitinGirish View Post

Don't blame Employers pulsater, blame employees. It's we guys who are bringing it upon ourselves. 7/10 people who overwork do so willingly. Why=Money.

you might have a point here. People DO willing work over time for money, but what about those who are on fixed salary but don't work on fixed hours?

Originally posted by kurtrules View Post

@Pulsater: Since you have taken the Infosys example, I would like to say one thing. The work out there is quite abrupt. At one point of time you are struggling day and night on a project and then after it is all over, the next half a year you are all to yourself, no questions asked. I guess that balances out the equation. But then again, I agree, the work environment, all over India, was never congenial towards the employee...

ya, i know. My gf in infosys was "on bench" for 3 months after training but now she is working on British Petroleum project flat out day and night. Also, one thing which is way out of my understanding is that loads of employers want you "physically" to be there in the office even if there's no work to be done and you have nothing to do but change your status on FB.

Few factors in my opinion which does affects the working behaviour in few private sectors like BPOs and call centres is the geographical location of Indian subcontinent. Day time zone of UK and US governs the working hours of many people back in India but that can easily exploit your working hours and stretches it per day without being acknowledged by your company or supervisor.

**NitinGirish** · 08-20-2010, 09:26 PM

Originally posted by pulsater View Post

you might have a point here. People DO willing work over time for money, but what about those who are on fixed salary but don't work on fixed hours?

Like they say in economics, in long run everything is variable

The thinking is if you stay put in office for 12-13 hrs a hefty increment can be expected. An ex-colleague of mine used to drag the cursor from one end of the screen to another but wouldn't leave before 9PM

**_keerthy** · 08-29-2010, 12:01 PM

Let me put up my story here. I work for as MNC which is headquartered at Japan. It is an automotive body side tooling supplier group. First thing i hate with this employer is the ridiculously low wages. (I dont know whether it is ok to put up numbers here) After 2.5years of working with these guys, i still get less than what my classmate got as his starting pay.
The work is usually 9hrs a day, for 5days a week. But when work piles up, we have to work about 10 to 12hrs a day and may be 7 days a week. No overtime wages for weekdays. Week end or holiday overtime is just 100/- bucks for 8hrs or 50/- bucks for 4hrs, with a possibility of using the compensation leave facility. But as the story goes, there is always some kind of work which does not allow to use the compensation which gets lapsed in 3months.
Annual bonus or project incentive is a big joke.
I am seriously looking for a better job, with a better employer. I dont wanna stick with these guys who treat us like machines.

**pulsater** · 08-29-2010, 05:25 PM

Originally posted by _keerthy View Post

Let me put up my story here. I work for as MNC which is headquartered at Japan. It is an automotive body side tooling supplier group. First thing i hate with this employer is the ridiculously low wages. (I dont know whether it is ok to put up numbers here) After 2.5years of working with these guys, i still get less than what my classmate got as his starting pay.
The work is usually 9hrs a day, for 5days a week. But when work piles up, we have to work about 10 to 12hrs a day and may be 7 days a week. No overtime wages for weekdays. Week end or holiday overtime is just 100/- bucks for 8hrs or 50/- bucks for 4hrs, with a possibility of using the compensation leave facility. But as the story goes, there is always some kind of work which does not allow to use the compensation which gets lapsed in 3 months.
Annual bonus or project incentive is a big joke.
I am seriously looking for a better job, with a better employer. I dont wanna stick with these guys who treat us like machines.

this is what I am EXACTLY talking about. An employee is NOT a puppet or need NOT to work under such gruelling time schedule without being acknowledge. If I was you keerthy, I would not give my productive time for even a single more minute to your existing company. When you secure a new job, try talking about your "rights" with your current company which has been laughing all about it and I am sure your other colleagues are suffering too.

PS: did you signed any employment contract in the beginning with your company which clearly said what would be your working hours and future pay rise etc etc

less than 40 hrs (8 hrs/day)	23.33%	7 votes
41-50 hrs (9-10 hrs/day)	60.00%	18 votes
50+ hrs	16.67%	5 votes

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