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  • #16
    Originally posted by Synn View Post
    How does one travel then? Using a mode of transportation or using a hotel, a burger or a laptop computer?

    Here's another possible situation for you to ponder about:

    Some guy in say, Iowa decides to have a vacation in India just about the time the Nano enters the american market. Seeing the word "Tata" in the domain www.oktatabyebye.com, he feels an air of familiarity and uses the site. Now two situations arise:

    He has a good trip: All's well and good.

    He had a nasty experience: He comes home, starts badmouthing Tata and recommend to everyone not to buy their cars.

    Keep in mind that the term "Ta ta" doesn't mean anything to the average american.

    You may think this is absurd, but you'd be surprised at the amount of negative publicity companies receive from confused branding. And this is the exact kind of situation Tata wants to avoid.

    I'm not justifying anything or anyone. I'm just pointing out the facts as they are.

    Oh, and the Indian judicial system is one of the better ones in the world today. Trust me.
    I was almost gonna start a campaign against bigwig corporates trying to steal words that we've used ever since the language originated.

    BUT you do make clear sense.

    Still though, with no Tata logos or any other related branding on the website, if the website viewer decides that the website is affiliated to the mighty Tata Corporation, then isn't such a web viewer prime and repeat customer for all sort of phishing operations on the web and thus, much better off staying offline?
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    • #17
      Synn is a lawyer if I remember correctly

      Tata is what I call my grandfather as well. There are other people in the world named Tata. I don't think the law should entertain flimsy cases like this. My name is Guru...should I sue travelguru for using my name without my permission?

      It is just stupid...nothing else.
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      • #18
        Originally posted by gsferrari View Post
        Synn is a lawyer if I remember correctly

        Tata is what I call my grandfather as well. There are other people in the world named Tata. I don't think the law should entertain flimsy cases like this. My name is Guru...should I sue travelguru for using my name without my permission?

        It is just stupid...nothing else.
        Synn is not a lawyer

        And you should sue travelguru. How dare they?!

        And for the record, the case does have some merit, but the website owners are justified to an extent as well. This is a toss up folks!
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        • #19
          Originally posted by Synn View Post
          How does one travel then? Using a mode of transportation or using a hotel, a burger or a laptop computer?

          Here's another possible situation for you to ponder about:

          Some guy in say, Iowa decides to have a vacation in India just about the time the Nano enters the american market. Seeing the word "Tata" in the domain www.oktatabyebye.com, he feels an air of familiarity and uses the site. Now two situations arise:

          He has a good trip: All's well and good.

          He had a nasty experience: He comes home, starts badmouthing Tata and recommend to everyone not to buy their cars.

          Keep in mind that the term "Ta ta" doesn't mean anything to the average american.

          You may think this is absurd, but you'd be surprised at the amount of negative publicity companies receive from confused branding. And this is the exact kind of situation Tata wants to avoid.

          I'm not justifying anything or anyone. I'm just pointing out the facts as they are.

          Oh, and the Indian judicial system is one of the better ones in the world today. Trust me.
          after reading your post i am now totally confused... the word TA TA holds so many meanings and expressions for decades now.. and if the TATA guys have decided to sue the website now where were they for so many years..?? they could have sued half the nation for using the word in different needs & meanings.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Synn View Post
            How does one travel then? Using a mode of transportation or using a hotel, a burger or a laptop computer?

            Here's another possible situation for you to ponder about:

            Some guy in say, Iowa decides to have a vacation in India just about the time the Nano enters the american market. Seeing the word "Tata" in the domain www.oktatabyebye.com, he feels an air of familiarity and uses the site. Now two situations arise:

            He has a good trip: All's well and good.

            He had a nasty experience: He comes home, starts badmouthing Tata and recommend to everyone not to buy their cars.

            Keep in mind that the term "Ta ta" doesn't mean anything to the average american.

            You may think this is absurd, but you'd be surprised at the amount of negative publicity companies receive from confused branding. And this is the exact kind of situation Tata wants to avoid.

            I'm not justifying anything or anyone. I'm just pointing out the facts as they are.

            Oh, and the Indian judicial system is one of the better ones in the world today. Trust me.
            When I travel, I use a myriad aspects of hospitality, transportation being just one of them. The website does not speak of going from Point A to Point B. That would perhaps be the job of a map like maps.google.com. It speaks of all aspects of travel, such as transportation, places to stay, places to visit, things to eat, things to buy, etc. All these aspects combine in some degree to create that travel experience.

            Your example of am American being confused about the name Tata is purely a cultural gap. There are other uses of the word Tata in the Indian context and one of them is an Indian way to call my grandfather. Surely, Tata would not start suing people who call their grandfathers as Tata. I also wish tata to someone when they are leaving, and I am least referring to the Tata Corporation when I am bidding adieu to someone. Perhaps a disclaimer in the website that the name has no affiliation to the Tata Corporation might help out. I dunno... I am not a lawyer.

            I have seen many names used at part of naming convention. We see a Prakash Enterprises here, a Ganesh Fruit Juice there, Rajalakshmi Silks, and SriVidya notebooks would sue my wife very soon if she starts a SriVidya Enterprises! There would be no end to people suing each other in that case!

            Just my 2 cents that this case is unjustified against a website on the basis of the name.

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            • #21
              Tata gone mad - They can't sue everybody whoever intend to use TATA as a part or word of their domain name.
              Indian IT act sucks for a long time... Its outdated crap.

              The owner of oktatabyebye.com should hire a good lawyer to fight against TATA.

              India must look up for ICANN and DMCA before registering any case - As domain is a serious matter, and TATA has no rights to do this - Read the ICANN & DMCA policies.

              The owner of oktatabyebye is probably a noob , otherwise he can easily won the case with International act and use the Internet policy of the domain registar country and county.

              Oktatabyebye should go for a well lawyer and bang the TATA so that they can never do that shitty things. Really hate the cheap guys..

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              • #22
                Originally posted by theslayer View Post
                if the website viewer decides that the website is affiliated to the mighty Tata Corporation, then isn't such a web viewer prime and repeat customer for all sort of phishing operations on the web and thus, much better off staying offline?

                Ideally, yes. But as a company, one cannot insist that their prospective customers should be "This smart to enter".


                Originally posted by gsferrari View Post
                Tata is what I call my grandfather as well. There are other people in the world named Tata. I don't think the law should entertain flimsy cases like this. My name is Guru...should I sue travelguru for using my name without my permission?
                Do you have a hundred plus year old business that was built upon your name?
                If so, yo may even go sue the makers of the abomination called "The love guru". Lord knows, they owe EVERYBODY some money!


                Originally posted by prajwalkashyap View Post
                Your example of am American being confused about the name Tata is purely a cultural gap.
                That starts to become a problem when the said company is selling their wares to the said culture (Which Tata would, soon).

                Originally posted by prajwalkashyap View Post
                I also wish tata to someone when they are leaving, and I am least referring to the Tata Corporation when I am bidding adieu to someone.
                You wish them Ta Ta (Ta-Ta, even). Not Tata. Again, not the same word, not the same pronunciation.

                Originally posted by prajwalkashyap View Post
                Perhaps a disclaimer in the website that the name has no affiliation to the Tata Corporation might help out. I dunno...
                This is how this would probably get settled, as is the case with most business lawsuits. Even a different domain name may come into play like okta-tabyebye.com, as I said before.

                Originally posted by Ansh_a.k.a_Razor View Post
                Tata gone mad - They can't sue everybody whoever intend to use TATA as a part or word of their domain name.
                That's not what happened. I'd suggest that you read through one more time, carefully.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Synn View Post


                  You wish them Ta Ta (Ta-Ta, even). Not Tata. Again, not the same word, not the same pronunciation.
                  Wat do mean by not the same pronunciation!
                  everybody pronounces Tata and Ta Ta the same way!
                  when ur saying bye, u cant say Ta.....(wait for few mins).....Ta!

                  just kidding..
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                  • #24
                    Nice piece of news there.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Synn View Post
                      Not to mention that "Tata" is actually written and pronounced in a different way compared to "Ta ta", the term used when people are bidding farewell. A domain name called "www.okta-tabyebye.com" may not have incurred the wrath.

                      Logic:- It's a wonderful thing, folks.
                      Strangely I don't recollect a domain name with a hyphen in it!

                      I mean c'mon, give the poor fellas @ OkTaTaByeBye a chance!
                      The use of the word was always intended to be indicative of a 'good bye' !

                      I do agree they share the same phonetics and the same spelling, but heck one is of em is a (last) name! I mean I can call my kid pod and sue iPods :P

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                      • #26
                        TATA is Ridiculous.

                        This is Ridiculous!

                        Domain name can be purchased by any website owner if it is not already registered. Of course there are tata.com, tatasky.com. tataindicom.com and so on. The company "oktatabyebye.com" is in no way related to TATA group. I disagree with what TATA group has done.

                        If this is what is happening then just imagine with "xbhp.com", "bhpbilliton.com", "team-bhp.com", "bhpcapital.com" and so on...

                        So should we start suing all the companies/sites with "bhp" as part of the domain name? or maybe the others could sue us as well and perhaps all sites with "bhp" should start a war of suing each other.

                        And perhaps even "ok.org", "okmagazine.com", or "okgo.net" should also start suing "oktatabyebye.com"
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                        • #27
                          not sure why Tata is going nuts like Bajaj!!!

                          Ta Ta is an English noun that the British use to while parting. Even Ta is used as a sound/word to express an emotional gratitude. I realized this after staying in the UK for a while and had a discussion about this with a few British gentlemen.

                          The British rule in India passed on this catchy word to us thorough out India without any linguistic or cultural boundaries.

                          Yes, TATA is the most trusted brand in India and probably the best recollected family name. But then they cannot go on and say someone cannot use that word from a language that is incidentally the same as their family name.

                          Though irrelevant, my mind recalls an old reading:

                          A British man goes to the USA, checks into a hotel and asks "where's the lift"
                          The American says "this way sir, they are called the elevators, we invented them"
                          "Sure, but we invented the language" says the British.

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                          • #28
                            some of the arguments were damn funny here
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                            • #29
                              This is usually what happens when the legal team is sitting around swatting flies....
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                              • #30
                                Damn hilarious!
                                TATA is going on Bajaj's way.
                                Sueing each and everything related or even non related to them!
                                My grandpa of my grandpa of my grandpa were japanese..
                                So he named his pet dog "Muzuki"..now should I sue Suzuki for using the word Zuki in their name?
                                Or the legal team of TATA should make a permanent stall at Airports and Railway stations and should start sueing/asking complainatry fund from anyone saying TA-TA to his/her relative.

                                Dumbs! Dont they have any other serious works to do insted of playin "SU-SU" game?
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