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  • Fully automatic DC changeover in Pulsar UGIII models.

    After all the Dc conversion procedures scattered out in XBHP, i came upon the idea to start a new thread that encompasses all the ideas from many talented geeks out there...to a more suitable user friendly thread.

    I will demonstrate a method which when successfully modded will enable automatic Dc conversion and in the nick of time "all mods can be brought to company specs!". This was the main aim for me and the unstable headlight, which had varied light output at low RPM, is a thing of the past.

    %%%Knowledge in basic electronic soldering and know-how is appreciated%%%
    Tools required:
    *Common board
    *Soldering iron and solder
    *6A4 power diodes(4) and 2 amp diodes(4)
    *3300uF and 1000uF 25V capacitor(1)
    *SPST switch
    *Toggle switch--3 contacts
    *Lots of heavy duty wire
    *Any color LED with 330ohm resistor
    *12V 5 amp Relay
    *Insulation tape(good quality)


    The principle(Working)

    The system works by mainly tapping the yellow wire from the Stock RR(Rectifier-Regulator) unit to the BCU(through stock wiring) providing a toggle switch in between, to switch from regular connection to the modified wiring. The basic working can easily be studied from my detailed diagram posted. The current flow is shown in the diagram as arrows. On the event of toggling the switch to Modified section, the yellow wire(carrying regulated AC) is bridge rectified and supplied to battery. While the wire to BCU is supplied a DC voltage through the help of a relay.
    Now the relay....which is an electromagnetic switch....needs DC voltage for excitation, so we provide the AC from stock rectifier+rectify it and supply to relay coil. Now the relay gets activated and the Dc supply gets routed to the wire to BCU(yellow).
    A direct DC switch in form of SPST switch is also provided to enable direct supply from battery to the AC system in vehicle even in event of ENGINE OFF condition(be careful the battery can drain down pretty quick in this mode).

    So, in general we take the regulated AC from the RR unit and use it for charging the battery along with the stock charging by the Stock RR unit(to provide more juice to battery). While Dc from battery is fed to the AC Wiring core of the bike(i.e to the BCU yellow wire).

    * Now the relay used here is for auto switching to DC system in the starting of the bike. The BCU in Pulsar UGIII's won't allow the electric starter to switch to DC, thus the relay will make that possible!

    Verification
    I have tried this setup for more than a month....not at all a problem till now. Now using Philips 55/60W halogen. Very good illumination indeed and flicker free performance.

    Tips

    #Assemble the rectifier for battery charging with a heat sink for heat removal.
    #Check for charger working by measuring battery terminals with a mutimeter in ENGINE ON and HEADLIGHT ON condition for charging to be proper at 4000rpm.(13.5-14.5 V).
    # Use household gauge wire for Battery connections from rectifier unit.
    # Mount the toggle switch up front so that we can toggle them at ease.


    Mounted pictures will be added soon.
    Last edited by timi; 07-19-2011, 11:01 PM. Reason: Diagram rectification

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    • #3
      please post a high resolution, bigger size image of circuit diagram, it is not readable.
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      • #4
        I kinda liked the idea. But me being a 0 in electronics, it looks difficult to replicate with little knowledge in this department. I suggest you post pics of the actual mod so that a lot of people could benefit from it. A step by step pictorial presentation would be great. Thanks anyway!

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        • #5
          There is already a very detailed thread by abhijeet080808, Rahuldevnath and Shreeni about the very same mod.

          abhijeet080808 [Pulsar 150 Classic] http://www.xbhp.com/talkies/desi-bik...ic-all-dc.html

          Rahuldevnath [Pulsar 180UGIII] [he is the pioneer of this mod on this forum]

          Shreeni0403 [Unicorn] http://www.xbhp.com/talkies/help-me/...ging-rate.html

          My thread [P180UGIII] http://www.xbhp.com/talkies/help-me/...dlights-6.html


          IMO this is not a very good mod as the stock Pulsar RR cannot take much load and resulted into this on my bike https://picasaweb.google.com/pavan.chirmade/ShitHappens

          The RR conks off and gives out excessive voltage as the regulator part fails early. the excessive voltage burns the custom rectifier. So much that there was actually a fire. I was using high temperature resistant wires and a 30A rated packaged bridge rectifier which is supposed to be very robust. But when it all caught fire nothing remained of the rectifier.The fire was quite nasty and ate the left side of the seat cowl.

          I don't recommend this mod to newbies. The more stable mod is the APE RR + Rewinding one.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by ripper View Post
            I kinda liked the idea. But me being a 0 in electronics, it looks difficult to replicate with little knowledge in this department. I suggest you post pics of the actual mod so that a lot of people could benefit from it. A step by step pictorial presentation would be great. Thanks anyway!
            Of course i will post the new pics as soon as possible and further 1by 1 steps.

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            • #7
              Hi, now into the basic building blocks...RECTIFIER

              A rectifier is used to provide a DC(constant) output derived from an AC(varying) source.
              We need: Diodes(4) and a capacitor.

              Solder the diodes as shown in the diagram.The diode shows a white ring on one side to show negative polarity corresponding to the diagram. Capacitor has a white strip of minus lines showing negative polarity. This is all needed for basic configuration. Now solder them together and watch out for polarities. A PCB is not at all necessary, but if new to the business do with it!

              Below are some basic photos of the consumables are given below for easy understanding.

              We need to build two rectifiers:
              1) 6A4 (6 amp) diode configuration----->for charging the battery.
              2)2 amp diode configuration----->relay switching.

              Hope it clears the basic setup. But real photos will be added soon.

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              • #8
                Thanks for your valuable feedback.....will post the pics for better understanding.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by pavanchirmade View Post
                  There is already a very detailed thread by abhijeet080808, Rahuldevnath and Shreeni about the very same mod.

                  abhijeet080808 [Pulsar 150 Classic] http://www.xbhp.com/talkies/desi-bik...ic-all-dc.html

                  Rahuldevnath [Pulsar 180UGIII] [he is the pioneer of this mod on this forum]

                  Shreeni0403 [Unicorn] http://www.xbhp.com/talkies/help-me/...ging-rate.html

                  My thread [P180UGIII] http://www.xbhp.com/talkies/help-me/...dlights-6.html


                  IMO this is not a very good mod as the stock Pulsar RR cannot take much load and resulted into this on my bike https://picasaweb.google.com/pavan.chirmade/ShitHappens

                  The RR conks off and gives out excessive voltage as the regulator part fails early. the excessive voltage burns the custom rectifier. So much that there was actually a fire. I was using high temperature resistant wires and a 30A rated packaged bridge rectifier which is supposed to be very robust. But when it all caught fire nothing remained of the rectifier.The fire was quite nasty and ate the left side of the seat cowl.

                  I don't recommend this mod to newbies. The more stable mod is the APE RR + Rewinding one.
                  Ofcourse pavan.....there will be issues on the recommended procedure only if done incorrectly. This mod has the added ability to switch to the default configuration by way of a toggle switch.....so in any such issues nothing goes wrong. The fire you stated has been caused only due to improper wiring method/gauge used. From my experience...do this mod if you have knowledge in Electronics and some basic tinkering....A true DIY thing ,,this is!!!

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                  • #10
                    The setup after fitted to my bike.

                    All things are working perfectly and being in monsoon climate took a little precaution and covered things up. But don't worry everythings cool and running perfectly.

                    As posted earlier by pavan...the issue happened to him was really disappointing..and the fact that it happened was due to a minor fault in the original mod published elsewhere in XBHP by Rahuldevnath. The ciruit that i have posted is rectified and the heat levels will be very low. Personally checked and have ridden for over a month.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by pavanchirmade View Post
                      There is already a very detailed thread by abhijeet080808, Rahuldevnath and Shreeni about the very same mod.

                      abhijeet080808 [Pulsar 150 Classic] http://www.xbhp.com/talkies/desi-bik...ic-all-dc.html

                      Rahuldevnath [Pulsar 180UGIII] [he is the pioneer of this mod on this forum]

                      Shreeni0403 [Unicorn] http://www.xbhp.com/talkies/help-me/...ging-rate.html

                      My thread [P180UGIII] http://www.xbhp.com/talkies/help-me/...dlights-6.html


                      IMO this is not a very good mod as the stock Pulsar RR cannot take much load and resulted into this on my bike https://picasaweb.google.com/pavan.chirmade/ShitHappens

                      The RR conks off and gives out excessive voltage as the regulator part fails early. the excessive voltage burns the custom rectifier. So much that there was actually a fire. I was using high temperature resistant wires and a 30A rated packaged bridge rectifier which is supposed to be very robust. But when it all caught fire nothing remained of the rectifier.The fire was quite nasty and ate the left side of the seat cowl.

                      I don't recommend this mod to newbies. The more stable mod is the APE RR + Rewinding one.
                      Bhai, one more thing the mentioned problem you stated is not valid for Pulsar UGIII. The setup i described here supplies DC from battery to the regular wiring to BCU. So the regulated AC from stock rectifier is used only for charging the battery. Thus the battery gets charged from both the Stock RR unit and from the lighting coil also. I think this solves your mystery!

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                      • #12
                        pavanchirmade is right, this is not a very robust design, we have tried this and failed.

                        its better to go for APE RR + REWINDING
                        Last edited by princesirohi; 07-21-2011, 01:36 AM.
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                        • #13
                          Use KBPC3510 30A packaged bridge rectifier in place of the diodes.
                          This is more robust. It is a little square device with 4 terminals. Use it with a good heatsink.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by timi View Post
                            Bhai, one more thing the mentioned problem you stated is not valid for Pulsar UGIII. The setup i described here supplies DC from battery to the regular wiring to BCU. So the regulated AC from stock rectifier is used only for charging the battery. Thus the battery gets charged from both the Stock RR unit and from the lighting coil also. I think this solves your mystery!
                            bhai, i have a UG3, and the mod you are suggesting is tried by me also, it is advised not to use that setup.

                            and plz note that, there is no mystery, these guys have done extensive work in this area, you can go through the pages of the threads given above by pavan.

                            as u are saying, the regulated AC from stock rectifier is used to charge battery, so obviously you are using parallel charging kind of thing. and parallel charging is not advisable, it might konk off after a few months.

                            as for the mystery part, the battery output to BCU and parellel charging to battery, are all connected at one point, before the battery, so if your parallel charging system fails, there goes your unregulated AC supply to battery, which is then upto the battery for how long it can hold before your BCU fails.

                            and as asked earlier, please post a clear image of your circuit diagram.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by timi View Post
                              Bhai, one more thing the mentioned problem you stated is not valid for Pulsar UGIII. The setup i described here supplies DC from battery to the regular wiring to BCU. So the regulated AC from stock rectifier is used only for charging the battery. Thus the battery gets charged from both the Stock RR unit and from the lighting coil also. I think this solves your mystery!
                              In the end its only one RR that is charging the battery through two different circuits. And I am saying this only from experience.I had done this 2 years ago. And the load on the AC line[which was supposed to power the headlight which you are rectifying to charge the battery] is more when charging the battery than when it just powers a bulb.

                              In short
                              Stock: Battery coil - normal load Headlight coil - Normal load
                              Your mod: Battery coil - normal load Headlight coil [rectified and connected to battery] More load than normal.

                              In short, the mod is unstable as the Bajaj RR quality is not that high to handle such high loads. This mod has failed on mine and prince's bike. This is precisely why I don't recommend this mod.

                              The fire on my bike was solely because of the faulty Bajaj RR.
                              The fire could have been fatal.

                              There should be only one line connected to the battery for charging. From one source only. The one coil one RR for one battery setup is the best one. Highest reliability.

                              Use Rewinding+APE RR. Although one may need professional help to get this thing done, it is tried and tested by many xBHPians including me.

                              The APE RR is rock solid and can withstand loads as high as 9 to 10 Amps which translates to roughly 100W of power. There are people running heavier halogens and HIDs[55W] on the ape RR setup.

                              The mod you mentioned was first carried out successfully by Rahuldevnath. But even his HID didn't last for 4 hours of continuous riding. The charging current is just not enough to run even a 35W HID easily.

                              Not attacking your post or trying to demean you. Just that I too chose this easier way once and ended up in a near fatal accident.

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