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Re-igniting the old Thread
Some More to put some fuel in the Fire:
1) DTS-Si means..??
2) CBZ has got ATFT..?.? What is ATFT.?
3) What does Sprung and Unsprung Wieght Means.?
4) What is the basic Difference between chasis of Pulsar(Double Craddle) and R15.(Delta Box frame)
5) Karizma was launched in year?
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They are called perforated discs.Originally posted by insanebiker View PostThe holes are for ventilation.
Observe the scorpio s Discs the next time. U would see some pattern on it. Most modern cars also have ventilated discs but u should observe them parallely. They are like two discs sandwiched , which is also for ventilation.
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The holes are for ventilation.Originally posted by frank_dude_007 View Posti had a question in mind but didn't knew where to ask it,so if this is the wrong thread then forgive me.
why do disc's of disc breaks in bike have small holes in them and whereas the disc from a car is totally smooth?
Observe the scorpio s Discs the next time. U would see some pattern on it. Most modern cars also have ventilated discs but u should observe them parallely. They are like two discs sandwiched , which is also for ventilation.
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I'll clear your doubts one by one.Originally posted by marvinpatrickgray View PostAbout the flower-head thing, i think CL-II never came with a flower-head. some early Model-B(1973-74) yezdi had a flower-head, but was later shifted to the normal that we see more more often, Roadkings with FH, maybe i have to explore more of India to see it.
i think you should ride a Y350 to know whats the difference between Y350 and Fury. Numbers, sometimes, dont show the actual performance.
Fury 175, in no way, can do anything to Y350, Roadking .
How do you say that Y350 was dated ? simply coz it had CB point system ? more than 50% of Ys and all Jawas are on CB Point system in the country and people are happy to ride it. it might be dated if you look at the lipstick, powder and makeup of it, i agree.
*The Roadking did have a flower head on its last days and we already have a few. My friend owns an assortment of spares and that includes some factory cylinders. Yes, you need to explore the other part of India and more so, Mysore which is where the factory was located. I've been there 4 times when the factory was stripped down and parts auctioned. I have seen all the factory prototypes and seen more than what i can type here.
*Have i riddden a Y350? My dear friend, I was using one for a short while. I very well know how good it is.
*And I have ridden some good Furys as well, so I can comfortably comment on the performance and not going alone by the performance figures.
*Why is a Y350 dates?
- Has a really dated intake system. 2 cylinders fed by just one 28mm carb which makes it seriously underpowered
-have you ever seen the transfers? Its a 40yr old tech
-the internal transmission layout with a chain drive is again decades old when an RD has a positive gear type transmission.
-busting internal oil seals which is the most unreliable thing about the Y350 and the tech used all through the engine is really dated. jawa did nothing about updating the design or their flaws
*The jawas/Yezdi all ran with CB and so did the RD. That alone does not make something old tech. The overall engine design is what matters.
The Roadking however is my favourite and it was the better one of the lot.
Being on this part of India where I get to ride and see better and more Jawas/yezdis and having worked on a few bikes myself, i sure know of what I'm talking. Hope you clear now.
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i had a question in mind but didn't knew where to ask it,so if this is the wrong thread then forgive me.
why do disc's of disc breaks in bike have small holes in them and whereas the disc from a car is totally smooth?
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Originally posted by Joel View PostDude, please get your facts right first.
I've been to the Yezdi factory a few times and I know the largest yezdi owners circle in the country. One of my friends owns the largest collection of restored 350s and CZs.
Some facts,
* The flower head came as a prototype on the RKs in the mid 90s and thats what I'm talking about. Indeed the CL II also had a few flower head models.
*In stock form, the Fury 175 was faster than the Roadking and the Yezdi 350 as it revved higher and had a close ratio GB. The 350 was however pretty close to the Fury. Lets not talk about the RD. It was in a class of its own. Nothing can come close to an RD till 120.
*Yes the Y350 had a 28mm single carb fuelling 2 cylinders and the Fury 175 had just one cylinder with a 28mm carb. Which means to say that the Fury was more potent. The RD had 2 175cc barrels with 28mm carb on each, which is effectively like 2 Fury engines put together. And literally on paper it made twice the power.
*The RD350 and Y350 were not stopped due to emission norms. heck in 1991 there was not even a CAT. They were stopped due to loosing sales and lack of acceptance. Most would only buy scooters and 100cc bikes.
*Today people pay 4 times more than what they could pay for a brand new RD in the 90s but its too late. Yes the RD was way ahead of its time but not the Y350. It was already dated. It was a bike with tech from the 60s.
About the flower-head thing, i think CL-II never came with a flower-head. some early Model-B(1973-74) yezdi had a flower-head, but was later shifted to the normal that we see more more often, Roadkings with FH, maybe i have to explore more of India to see it.
i think you should ride a Y350 to know whats the difference between Y350 and Fury. Numbers, sometimes, dont show the actual performance.
Fury 175, in no way, can do anything to Y350, Roadking .
How do you say that Y350 was dated ? simply coz it had CB point system ? more than 50% of Ys and all Jawas are on CB Point system in the country and people are happy to ride it. it might be dated if you look at the lipstick, powder and makeup of it, i agree.
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Nice example , understood!Originally posted by Synn View PostSimple answer. Take a coke bottle, fill it with water, turn it upside down. You'll see that the water starts to flow fast in the beginning, but soon "Chokes" at the orifice. As a result, the flow becomes more uneven. A watering can on the other hand, has multiple holes. Use one and you'll see that the flow is much smoother, much more even.
Same principle.
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A 3-valve is almost as efficient as a 4-valve. Both the valves open and close at the same bike and not like what someone mentioned here.
In the TVS flame, the port flow into each valve is controlled by stacking one port over the other and as the slide opens beyond 50%, the 2nd port get the charge. Its a clever tech by AVL.
Now having a single exhaust valve does not mean it will underperform. It will still be more efficient than a conventional 2 valve head.
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Very good example, thanks for explaining like thisOriginally posted by SynnSimple answer. Take a coke bottle, fill it with water, turn it upside down. You'll see that the water starts to flow fast in the beginning, but soon "Chokes" at the orifice. As a result, the flow becomes more uneven. A watering can on the other hand, has multiple holes. Use one and you'll see that the flow is much smoother, much more even.
Same principle.
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But I think the second intake valve operates only at higher rev range when the bike is (so to speak) in power mode !Originally posted by niks_devil666 View PostOT i guess , but wanted to ask how does that help , does it mean more 'efficient' intake with two valves?
Dunno exactly how LML Adreno/Energy worked !!
But if the second intake valve keeps operating without any fuel going to it, it might even get damaged right ??
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hmmm...Originally posted by Joel View PostDude, please get your facts right first.
I've been to the Yezdi factory a few times and I know the largest yezdi owners circle in the country. One of my friends owns the largest collection of restored 350s and CZs.
Some facts,
* The flower head came as a prototype on the RKs in the mid 90s and thats what I'm talking about. Indeed the CL II also had a few flower head models.
*In stock form, the Fury 175 was faster than the Roadking and the Yezdi 350 as it revved higher and had a close ratio GB. The 350 was however pretty close to the Fury. Lets not talk about the RD. It was in a class of its own. Nothing can come close to an RD till 120.
*Yes the Y350 had a 28mm single carb fuelling 2 cylinders and the Fury 175 had just one cylinder with a 28mm carb. Which means to say that the Fury was more potent. The RD had 2 175cc barrels with 28mm carb on each, which is effectively like 2 Fury engines put together. And literally on paper it made twice the power.
*The RD350 and Y350 were not stopped due to emission norms. heck in 1991 there was not even a CAT. They were stopped due to loosing sales and lack of acceptance. Most would only buy scooters and 100cc bikes.
*Today people pay 4 times more than what they could pay for a brand new RD in the 90s but its too late. Yes the RD was way ahead of its time but not the Y350. It was already dated. It was a bike with tech from the 60s.
what a sad... the people at that time didn't know how to select a good vehicle... my father had a chetak scooter at that time... i dream now if he had an RD350 instead of a scooter at that time...
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Simple answer. Take a coke bottle, fill it with water, turn it upside down. You'll see that the water starts to flow fast in the beginning, but soon "Chokes" at the orifice. As a result, the flow becomes more uneven. A watering can on the other hand, has multiple holes. Use one and you'll see that the flow is much smoother, much more even.Originally posted by niks_devil666 View PostOT i guess , but wanted to ask how does that help , does it mean more 'efficient' intake with two valves?
Same principle.
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This is the common prob with many yezdi's at that time,like these days bajaj chetak 2 stroke have similar problem of going backwards.Originally posted by sukant08 View Postwherein sometimes the bike actually started wen it gave a back kick and so I think the crank rotated in the reverse direction !!
And the bike used to actually move backwards wen I shifted into first gear !!
Sir old fox plz elaborate.what is the technical flaw in this situation cos u had told me in tech language which i cant elaborate here.
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OT i guess , but wanted to ask how does that help , does it mean more 'efficient' intake with two valves?Originally posted by Synn View PostThree. Two intake, one exhaust.
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Here in Raipur Many Yezdi's have been modified to run on Kerosene. A good Yezdi trait.Originally posted by sukant08 View PostI think the level you r talkin about is called the neutral finder. It was a smallish level co-axial with the kick start !! Its gone along with the left side gear shifters I guess !!
I still remember my Yezdi from the college days !! All these discussions about them have brought back memories of her !!
There was a strange problem in my Yezdi, wherein sometimes the bike actually started wen it gave a back kick and so I think the crank rotated in the reverse direction !!
And the bike used to actually move backwards wen I shifted into first gear !!
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