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  • #16
    Originally posted by aargee View Post
    Chennai, quite different from other parts of India...
    Err...I kinda know which part of India we are referring to.what I meant was "which world", the real one or the fairy tale one.


    Originally posted by aargee View Post
    One so far, against a guy who did a negligent riding due to which I'd a fall. The FIR is registered. Would you like to see a copy? BTW, have you filed any?
    Yes.For a lost driving licence.You want to see a copy ?


    Originally posted by aargee View Post
    Well, may be, then why're they employed?
    Someone doesn't read newspapers much.We all know what the police is up to.


    Originally posted by aargee View Post
    Can I prove you wrong? Come to Chennai. Bet you beer to dollar. Its all in how you approach the cops, how you speak & how you present yourself? It needs patience, a lot patience which is missing from youngsters & even oldies these days.
    So someone will show a lot of patience rather than being more careful ? No one files an FIR for a small fall or a damage of 100-200 bucks.

    Originally posted by aargee View Post
    I myself have called up 100 several times on occassion of spotting accidents, traffic jams, traffic blockers, fire cases & even once when my car was also hit by a canter. Except the fire case all other time, the response time was reasonable.
    Kudos.You are doing a good job.But calling cops for a traffic jam ? Hmmm.


    Originally posted by aargee View Post
    Next on calling an xBhpian; no one need to be a contract killer or local ruffian, but, their state of mind would be far better than the victim who's sitting there helpless, don't know how to deal the situation in panic. In John's case, he's not familiar with local language, calling another xBhpian who's familiar with local language DOES HELP.
    Everyone will disperse by the time someone who knows the language comes to your aid.Anyway,half the people don't want to get involved with cops so no witnesses or whatever.


    Originally posted by aargee View Post
    What do you mean by scene? No one goes to accident spot to make a scene for a photo shoot!!!
    making a scene also refers to creating a ruckus,taking pictures,picking up an argument on the road.I feel settlements help more than doing all that you quoted.


    Originally posted by aargee View Post
    Try that one on me buddy, I'll make ppl run places!!! Trust me knowing law helps more than knowing people. Knowing both law as well as people will make stronger.
    Trying to explain the law to a cop who already has a pre conceived notion in his head I feel is the most foolish thing one can do.If the cop says you are wrong,you are wrong.Then you might know the CM, you will still have to go through a lot of harassment.

    Originally posted by aargee View Post
    @Anant - I don't know what you're trying say, but sound a whole lot of negative vibes on this one.
    Yes.Because people like giving advise.Which sounds very good on paper but in real life,it could just backfire and the risk is just not worth it.It's always better to be on the safer side instead.
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    • #17
      Originally posted by anants_220 View Post
      Err...I kinda know which part of India we are referring to.what I meant was "which world", the real one or the fairy tale one.
      No fairy tale business; this is Chennai atleast some amount of law & order & infrastructure a lot being better here. The good roads speaks for themselves.

      Originally posted by anants_220 View Post
      Yes.For a lost driving licence.You want to see a copy ?
      Yes, but where? Chennai or rest of India?

      Originally posted by anants_220 View Post
      Someone doesn't read newspapers much.We all know what the police is up to.
      To read the cooked up stories from the newspapers?

      Originally posted by anants_220 View Post
      So someone will show a lot of patience rather than being more careful ? No one files an FIR for a small fall or a damage of 100-200 bucks.
      No one files; be the change you want to see, start filing!!!

      Originally posted by anants_220 View Post
      Kudos.You are doing a good job.But calling cops for a traffic jam ? Hmmm.
      There's a call center to report traffic jams. You don't read newspapers?

      Originally posted by anants_220 View Post
      Everyone will disperse by the time someone who knows the language comes to your aid.
      That's why I said CALL A LOCAL XBHPIAN!!!

      Originally posted by anants_220 View Post
      Anyway,half the people don't want to get involved with cops so no witnesses or whatever.
      Reluctance, fear is what is being bred into ppls mind. I'm quite surprised how literates also have the same thoughts.

      Originally posted by anants_220 View Post
      making a scene also refers to creating a ruckus,taking pictures,picking up an argument on the road.I feel settlements help more than doing all that you quoted.
      Settlement? Extort money? I don't know what to say!!! Have you heard what happens during such conversation?

      Originally posted by anants_220 View Post
      Trying to explain the law to a cop...still have to go through a lot of harassment.
      I didn't say to explain law to cop; I only said one should be aware of the law. Knowing law helps, knowing people helps even more to prevent from getting taken for a ride. Arguing with a cop is one of the stupidiest thing to do.

      Originally posted by anants_220 View Post
      Yes.Because people like...the safer side instead.
      What I speak on the forum is what I or several other's experience & not that comes out of my mouth. Now can you explain what is safe? There's nothing actually called safe. There're so many incidents where people make mountain out of mole even when they're at giving end. I'm only saying ppl to remain alert on such instances.

      Take the other way, the guy who came in wrong direction makes a big fuss, seizures our friend's bike & make a big noise; who's are loosing end? Atleast in Chennai, its better to call cops even if you're at fault, you'll loose few 1000 Rs in court but definetly not physical assaults from people. Wake up Anant, there's lot more things than a simple incident posted here.
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      • #18
        sorry bout your bike

        hey man sorry bout your bikes loss.
        may it be back in shape soon
        and you be back on the road.
        take care

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        • #19
          @ganesh
          you seem to be a idealist.
          yes even i had a notion chennai has very good law and order and the police are the good if not worst(btw just cause chennai doesnt have terrorist attacks doesnt mean the police is good). btw the roads suck. but when i lost my bike i faced their harassment.. patience? waiting 2weeks for filing a FIR with "higher official recommendation" isnt patience? what are we? budha? according to law a FIR should be filed within 24hrs of an incident. everyone can talk law bro. but this is INDIA !! if not for the recommendation it would have taken a month or maybe never i guess.. i had to travel 30kms to and for for 10days man for a eeffing FIR for losing my bike which is worth 50k second hand !! forget 200-500rs !!

          they have cameras everywhere. asked them to check them, standard replies

          "if you dont get out of here i will not take your complaint"
          "Cameras dont work"
          "camera operator isnt available"
          "you will get it back if its your fate"
          "get insurance" (OMFG that is a whole different story all together)
          "we are police we know what to do"

          are they serving people? wtf do i pay my taxes for? dont tell me i dint deal with them properly okay.
          me and my dad waited outside the station all day !!
          everyday.. he will tell us to come @ 10 but he wont come or when he comes he will have other important duties !!
          the inspector was younger than my dad but he dint even have basic respect or decency !!

          indian law and order SUCKS !! police can talk all shit they want on TV but in reality they cant do shit !!! i'm fed up.. my standard advice to anyone dont go to the police in the first place, be careful and save your losses !!

          i complained within mins of the incident. the inspector dint even look at me. all he said was such things happen here give a complaint we will see. he sent a SI with me to search. that guy walked 100metres from the patrol car and said i'm tired, buy me tea and you see and come i'll wait here. some stranger helped me search the whole place not the police.

          and SCREW 100 !! i called from local bsnl, airtel, aircel, vodafone.
          all i got was "if this is a prank call cut the call immediately"
          NO ONE ANSWERED !!

          you live in a dream world okay. i must have overreacted.
          i'm sorry but nothing you said is even remotely possible. i've still not come to terms with my loss.
          i agree with ananth.

          P.S. been in chennai forever.
          Last edited by yellowspunk; 12-21-2010, 02:30 AM.
          Regardless, Life shall go on.

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          • #20
            Spunk - We're talking about accident scenarios here, I'm aware of your stolen FZ & I'm sry about it. I repeat, I'm talking about cops & accident & only about it, lets not mix up both.

            Originally posted by yellowspunk View Post
            and SCREW 100 !! i called from local bsnl, airtel, aircel, vodafone.
            all i got was "if this is a prank call cut the call immediately"
            NO ONE ANSWERED !!
            It happens most of the time, I'm not an idealist to admit on this one.

            To talk in your language guys...next time when you meet with an accident...
            If you're at guilty, think no further, run immediately into nearest police station to avoid getting beaten from angry mob
            If you're not at guilty, you pls call the cops for your own safety

            This is all I've got to say.
            Last edited by aargee; 12-21-2010, 02:30 AM.
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            Awareness + Skill is what keeps you out of harm's way
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            • #21
              Originally posted by aargee View Post
              Spunk - We're talking about accident scenarios here, I'm aware of your stolen FZ & I'm sry about it. I repeat, I'm talking about cops & accident & only about it, lets not mix up both.


              It happens most of the time, I'm not an idealist to admit on this one.

              To talk in your language guys...next time when you meet with an accident...
              If you're at guilty, think no further, run immediately into nearest police station to avoid getting beaten from angry mob
              If you're not at guilty, you pls call the cops for your own safety

              This is all I've got to say.
              yea am really sorry bro. if anyone says anything nice about our police i feel like killing them lol am really sorry okay.
              apologies for going off topic.
              Last edited by yellowspunk; 12-21-2010, 02:37 AM.
              Regardless, Life shall go on.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by JonnyRider View Post
                Guys...it's just happened to me...I crashed...a pulsar hit it from blind spot... just don't have any clue.

                how best to tackle it? put your thoughts...let me learn...
                this is what the thread's about.

                Originally posted by aargee View Post
                Spunk - We're talking about accident scenarios here, I'm talking about cops & accident & only about it.
                not this.

                Originally posted by aargee View Post
                lets not mix up both.
                lets not.
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                • #23
                  Originally posted by aargee View Post
                  No fairy tale business; this is Chennai atleast some amount of law & order & infrastructure a lot being better here. The good roads speaks for themselves.


                  Yes, but where? Chennai or rest of India?


                  To read the cooked up stories from the newspapers?


                  No one files; be the change you want to see, start filing!!!


                  There's a call center to report traffic jams. You don't read newspapers?


                  That's why I said CALL A LOCAL XBHPIAN!!!


                  Reluctance, fear is what is being bred into ppls mind. I'm quite surprised how literates also have the same thoughts.


                  Settlement? Extort money? I don't know what to say!!! Have you heard what happens during such conversation?


                  I didn't say to explain law to cop; I only said one should be aware of the law. Knowing law helps, knowing people helps even more to prevent from getting taken for a ride. Arguing with a cop is one of the stupidiest thing to do.


                  What I speak on the forum is what I or several other's experience & not that comes out of my mouth. Now can you explain what is safe? There's nothing actually called safe. There're so many incidents where people make mountain out of mole even when they're at giving end. I'm only saying ppl to remain alert on such instances.

                  Take the other way, the guy who came in wrong direction makes a big fuss, seizures our friend's bike & make a big noise; who's are loosing end? Atleast in Chennai, its better to call cops even if you're at fault, you'll loose few 1000 Rs in court but definetly not physical assaults from people. Wake up Anant, there's lot more things than a simple incident posted here.
                  I don't see any point taking this convo ahead.There is sadly,a big north south divide in our country.I saw it when i was there and maybe the same happens to south Indians who live in the north.There is a point to which you can stand up and fight.talking to cops make s a big diff if you are in your twenties or in your fifties.
                  You are entitled to your own opinion,so am I.have a good night.
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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by yellowspunk View Post
                    yea am really...going off topic.
                    No offense taken Spunk; I'm just sharing what I hear from other's worst experience from various sources & my own experiences & sharing it to the community.

                    In this country, it doesn't matter who's right or wrong, usually the one with bigger or expensive vehicle is always at fault & gets beaten up. So to avoid all this, better get legal help is all what I'm saying.

                    One can always compromise by taking money or whatever means, but what's the guarantee that the other guy will not show up with 10 other guys once again? Or keep a watch on us when we pass over the place.

                    Like I told in your case earlier, never approach anyone less than SI. The lower level of cops always try to extort money & avoid their job. Approach the higher level who instructs the lower level ppl to do their job.

                    Originally posted by xionite View Post
                    this is what the thread's about.

                    not this.

                    lets not.
                    Yes & probably you have not gone through this...

                    Originally posted by aargee View Post
                    To talk in your language guys...next time when you meet with an accident...
                    If you're at guilty, think no further, run immediately into nearest police station to avoid getting beaten from angry mob
                    If you're not at guilty, you pls call the cops for your own safety

                    This is all I've got to say.
                    And I'm talking no more on this; if anyone needs to spend prolonged sleepless nights go for compromise & if one needs short headaches, file a lawsuit.

                    I for myself know the kind of law & order, enforcements in this country, but on certain cases, it is best to approach law.
                    Last edited by aargee; 12-21-2010, 02:46 AM.
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                    Awareness + Skill is what keeps you out of harm's way
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                    • #25
                      Guys, the posts in this went a bit off the track on the society, law & enforcement & idealism...well, each talk has it's own point to prove...what I gather from all these -
                      1. calling 100 isn't fruitful (though I haven't tried).
                      2. I personally have encountered some good cops, some rough ones...so have a mixed reaction about them...
                      3. calling an xBhpian is good...but if the scene happens quick & becomes fussy/messy, then I can't avoid myself from that.
                      4. FIR is the least thing that comes to my mind, unless I really do feel that I need to claim lots from insurance.

                      Kindly put your thoughts...reading is always an awakening.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by JonnyRider View Post
                        4. FIR is the least thing that comes to my mind, unless I really do feel that I need to claim lots from insurance.
                        FIR is not mandate to claim insurance!!!!!

                        PS - Never conclude on something with just a hear say, add your experience to it to draw your own conclusion.
                        Skill is what keeps you on a Motorcycle
                        Awareness + Skill is what keeps you out of harm's way
                        ATGATT + Awareness + Skill means you might Live To Ride another day

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                        • #27
                          thnx folks for your wishes...Now let's share some recent facts from the Bajaj service centre...
                          last Saturday I had accident...I kept the bike in the service centre [since then I'm riding my old bicycle ]

                          Monday (yesterday), I went to them in the morning, and asked them to give me the quotation/estimation of the repairing...they were not ready, so asked me to come in the afternoon...I went by 04:00pm and waited for an hour to get the quotation...

                          I found there are many items which aren't necessary, but still put in the quotation...I asked the guy who gave me it, and he said everything is required. Then I asked another senior guy, in the parts-selling counter of service-centre...he has also seen the bike, and he immediately stroke out half of the things, which are unnecessary replacements [as those are working in bike]...then the senior guy started checking for each required part & availability...

                          I was damn hopeful that I will get my bike within tomorrow and get on the planned trip of Gokarn on Friday morning, but it screwed up when he found the "front fairing" is not-in-stock...in Chennai probiking...sh*$@@***%

                          Don't know, whether I should ask them to do some quick fix & put some sticky tape in the fairing (to go on ride), or should I wait for the fairing to come from "Akurdi plant", and get it fixed. The later will screw up tour plan.
                          Last edited by JonnyRider; 12-21-2010, 09:45 AM.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by yellowspunk View Post
                            @ganesh

                            "Cameras dont work"
                            "camera operator isnt available"
                            "you will get it back if its your fate"
                            "get insurance" (OMFG that is a whole different story all together)
                            "we are police we know what to do"

                            and SCREW 100 !! i called from local bsnl, airtel, aircel, vodafone.
                            all i got was "if this is a prank call cut the call immediately"
                            NO ONE ANSWERED !!
                            With all due respect,i love Chennai,and sometimes when I don't think an answer,i tell people my hometown is Chennai.And I have loved every moment spent there.But the police everywhere sucks.And it just gets a tab bit more difficult when they don't understand you.
                            And cut the call immediately is too funny.
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                            • #29
                              @aargee: dude, I agree with you...I need to experience and have the say afterwards...another thing is, the insurance company really needs an FIR, for claim over 10K...it's written on the insurance paper as well...mine is from United India insurance...

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                              • #30
                                sorry for your crash

                                Hey really sorry for your crash, but you're unhurt, so its not much of a big deal. I have had tow crashes myself , and all I can tell you, is that how you react depends solely on your character and circumstances. Not everyone can afford to react in a particular way.
                                Sometimes, even if it isnt your fault, you just have to pay and get away from the whole thing.I know it sounds cowardly, but its the best you can do.
                                If you have good contacts and you can argue, then you can make the other person pay.
                                going to the police is the last resort, and i feel it is to be done only if its very serious.
                                Thats what i think

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