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**dhairya** · 08-01-2011, 02:22 PM

Originally posted by Samarth 619 View Post

It's not particularly unsafe as I did it 3-4 times on my P180 UG3 without falling off, but maybe it was the main stand.

Actually, we should avoid it, even for racing. Any kind of scraping tries to resist full power from being put forward which means you're BETTER OFF doing 1-2* lesser lean angle, than to let sparks fly for no racing advantage.

Scraping gives neither performance, nor mileage, nor cornering speeds, nor safety. On any machine in the world, scraping gives no other benefit, than sparking showoff. Truth it is.

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@ Dhairya: No. Casey Stoner leaned an amazing 70* on the Desmosedici sometime in the 2009-10, without scraping footpegs. The footpegs in these bikes are safely positioned, higher than normal.

As for the knees, I guess its more comfortable to spread them out on the corner. It's more about riding posture, and not about showoff.

You need to learn a lot about riding postures and techniques my friend.

BTW, when I was talking about MotoGP, I was talking about scrapping knees and not foot peg.

Spreading the knee is to shift your body weight.

Some tips that I have shared :

xBhp.com : The Global Indian Biking Community

http://www.xbhp.com/talkies/pit-stop-general-biking-discussion/5837-riding-tips.html

**Samarth 619** · 08-01-2011, 04:28 PM

Originally posted by dhairya View Post

You need to learn a lot about riding postures and techniques my friend.

BTW, when I was talking about MotoGP, I was talking about scrapping knees and not foot peg.

Spreading the knee is to shift your body weight.

Some tips that I have shared :

http://www.xbhp.com/talkies/pit-stop...ding-tips.html

Comfort is just my reason man, maybe because it became my habit while leaning on curvy roads. Never rode on a racetrack you see.

Ok, would you elaborate slightly on "shifting your body weight"?

In other words, are you trying to say that spreading the knee out works positively in the direction (which should be opposite of lean direction) of applying weight on the footpeg? I think its called centrifugal force or something... Is that what you mean?

**dhairya** · 08-02-2011, 02:18 PM

Originally posted by Samarth 619 View Post

Comfort is just my reason man, maybe because it became my habit while leaning on curvy roads. Never rode on a racetrack you see.

Ok, would you elaborate slightly on "shifting your body weight"?

In other words, are you trying to say that spreading the knee out works positively in the direction (which should be opposite of lean direction) of applying weight on the footpeg? I think its called centrifugal force or something... Is that what you mean?

Its not about riding on a racetrack. We also ride on turns and curves elsewhere as well, don;t we?

Shifting of body weight means - keeping your foot pegs pressed hard, putting your maximum weight on it, lean out of the bike. Ideally, one butt cheek should be on the saddle and one out and head turned to look into the apex of the turn, pull the bike into the turn - i.e. make it lean with you. This will lower the center of gravity of the whole bike+body giving more traction and hence speed around a corner.

**eliksir** · 08-02-2011, 09:09 PM

had tried to doing it after it happened accidentally a few times, but never succeeded

**aargee** · 08-02-2011, 09:11 PM

If one has money, time, energy, health scrape even the whole body, otherwise don't even think of such craps!!!

**slayer** · 08-02-2011, 09:55 PM

done many times on ma fz
dunno why but every time i get a satisfaction when i hear the sound of the foot peg scrapping

**dhairya** · 08-03-2011, 01:24 AM

Originally posted by aargee View Post

If one has money, time, energy, health scrape even the whole body, otherwise don't even think of such craps!!!

Didn't get you. Don't even think of what?

Originally posted by slayer View Post

done many times on ma fz
dunno why but every time i get a satisfaction when i hear the sound of the foot peg scrapping

Sounds great - doesn't it? Feels even better. Sorry to disappoint you my friend but if you really wanna learn the right technique, scrapping foot pegs is an indication that you might need to get off the bike more i.e., you lean more than the bike.

But that is the whole point of this thread. Getting rid of the myth that scrapping foot pegs is a good thing.

However, scrapping foot pegs does mean that you have the confidence to lean the bike and maintain it in a curve. However, now you are at a stage where you might want to unlearn a few things.

**christo** · 03-21-2012, 08:52 PM

Originally posted by slayer View Post

done many times on ma fz
dunno why but every time i get a satisfaction when i hear the sound of the foot peg scrapping

The fz is one of the most 'leanable' bike manufactured in india(after r15) under 1k

i have a 45kms of road with awesome curves near home and i used to scrap the footpegs on my fazer but i know it isn't the correct method of leaning. I don't if i can scrap my knee on fazer and not the footpeg; i'm saying this because i think the bike restricts it. ie; lower footpeg position.

**rx100.7050** · 03-21-2012, 09:14 PM

ok... here is my take... scrapping foot peg is dangerous since if during a lean, the foot peg gets some kind of grip & refuse to slide, then the rider will surely have a fall. In races, the rider scraps his knees & that when he is wearing spl racing suits where the knee is designed to slide in a lean angle.
I take the clover leaf road when exiting the DND onto the Noida - G Noida road & many times it has happened that my feet which is placed on the foot peg gets in contact with the road & that's scary !

**inder.cool** · 03-21-2012, 09:20 PM

Lappu aka LP aka Uncle xBhp'ian has been doing it since a long time ... just for fun

**rx100.7050** · 03-21-2012, 09:25 PM

Originally posted by dhairya View Post

Didn't get you. Don't even think of what?

Sounds great - doesn't it? Feels even better. Sorry to disappoint you my friend but if you really wanna learn the right technique, scrapping foot pegs is an indication that you might need to get off the bike more i.e., you lean more than the bike.

But that is the whole point of this thread. Getting rid of the myth that scrapping foot pegs is a good thing.

However, scrapping foot pegs does mean that you have the confidence to lean the bike and maintain it in a curve. However, now you are at a stage where you might want to unlearn a few things.

I absolutely missed this point. This is true to the core. If someone notices MotoGP, SBK or any other pro races, you can see that the rider slides more into the angle than the bike which means he is actually trying to make the bike "stand upright" while he takes the lean angle & supports the bike.

**msb** · 03-21-2012, 11:34 PM

Since the discussion is related to leaning in corners,can someone explain leaning in and leaning out and under what situations we must do them??I ride a GS150R and at times I lean out since I feel that will give more stability while cornering,Am I doing the right thing

**Samarth 619** · 03-22-2012, 04:06 PM

@ dhairya: Thanks. You have made your point very clear, and I remember reading this in Bike India as well, about body leaning more than bike leaning. And it sounds logical too: you'll get greater weight shift in the direction of turning, without losing the grip due to more upright bike.

The problem with most Indian bikes, including my P180 is that their footpegs are very low set. You just can't body lean properly without taking the bike too with you on the lean.
Why? Because when I'm leaning on the left and IF I try to lean harder, my right toe has to leave contact with the right footpeg. Its dangerous.... Very dangerous. I never tried it. And probably never will. The only option for me, is to go for better bikes in near future.

@ msb: Yes, it should. The lean should help you corner better. And GSR is a fine bike for basic leans, in fact every bike from Passion to Hayabusa to Rocket III is. So, do it when the need arises.

**sayank10** · 03-22-2012, 04:23 PM

so will rtr and r15 scrape foot pegs while cornering on city streets?

**retweak** · 03-22-2012, 05:21 PM

IMO this whole footpeg scraping thing can happen with domestic as well as super imports regardless of the type/make of the bike.
What has to be taken into consideration is the race set footpegs are made to avoideven the need for this thread.

Also most of this scraping and not scrapping of the footpegs and toes especially while braking happens while you are turning into a incline or already elevated terrain which is not as gradual as it should be according to some road construction protocols which probably dont exist in our localities.

Also even for a 6ft tall R15 rider it so happens that when you lean towards a right hander especially on long highspeed corners, getting one cheek out and being oriented towards the right side completely while trying to put your counter weight on the left peg proves difficult and sometimes you will barely even be able to reach the footpeg entirely. ?

Forget keeping your left kneetucked in to the tank.

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