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**kaynmantis** · 08-18-2011, 12:57 PM

Its almost impossible to find a fair platform to make comparison. To make it simple, one may try the following argument with no gloves on.

Fastest among stock Indian cars & bikes
Answer: cars

Fastest machine on quarter mile
Answer: 4 wheeler (3.77 Secs @526.30 kmph )

Fastest land speed record
Answer: 4 wheeler (See record breaking at Bonneville Salt Flats)

Fastest track machine
Answer: 4 wheeler (F1/cart/indy cars etc.)

Not to forget most GP and GT race cars are much much faster than sports cars.

I know this is insane, but the fact is they hold the record. One only has to beat them to prove otherwise. Besides I said that its impossible to find a fair platform.

Bikes has immense thrill factor, no question. But when it comes to out and out quest for the fastest title. Two wheelers by its very nature will come short of 4 wheelers.

This topic, I believe is not to dwell into all its technical parameters, but simply from a layman pov. i.e. fastest between production cars/bikes in India.

**drlohith** · 08-19-2011, 09:05 AM

there was an episode couple of months back in fifth gear, where they raced ferrari against a ducati1098 in a track and guess what....
ducati won.:-)

it was the same discussion there "CARS VS BIKES"

**Brat** · 08-19-2011, 09:13 AM

Originally posted by drlohith View Post

there was an episode couple of months back in fifth gear, where they raced ferrari against a ducati1098 in a track and guess what....
ducati won.:-)

it was the same discussion there "CARS VS BIKES"

Isnt that supposed to be a Lambo Gallardo Vs a Ducati 999 ? And yes, the Ducati did win by 0.4th of a second in a circuit race.

**shivank** · 08-19-2011, 04:24 PM

Originally posted by drlohith View Post

there was an episode couple of months back in fifth gear, where they raced ferrari against a ducati1098 in a track and guess what....
ducati won.:-)

it was the same discussion there "CARS VS BIKES"

That was 1198 vs the 458 and was done by Motor Trend and not by Fifth gear. Ferrari lost both-drag race and circuit race.

Originally posted by Brat View Post

Isnt that supposed to be a Lambo Gallardo Vs a Ducati 999 ? And yes, the Ducati did win by 0.4th of a second in a circuit race.

Yes,that is the one which was featured on Fifth gear years ago.

But these do not prove anything,Top Gear for instance pitched the S1000RR against the Ariel Atom V8(which is a sort of bike only but with 4-wheels) and the car was victorious.

Autocar did the same with the Nissan GT-R and the 1098S. Once more the car finished ahead of the bike.

And lets not go to high-performance zones.The thread-starter has already asked to limit the cars up to the Honda City and the bikes till N250R. In which case,it's a close call if you keep the 4-wheelers top-end aside.

**Vicky** · 08-19-2011, 05:11 PM

My following assessment is based on comparing my Honda CBR 250 (Rs. 1.6 Lacs) with my Honda City 1.5 V(Rs. 10.5 Lacs). Both of these vehicles are 'Performace Class' products and occupy the upper layer in their respective segments.

Acceleration : The CBR rules here. Period! Be it 0-60kph or 0-100kph... the kick you get is incomparable. 0-100 is dispensed at 8.5 secs on the CBR while the City is almost 2+ seconds slower at 10.6secs.

In fact, barring the Skoda Laura 1.8 TSI, you would need to spend upwards of 20 Lacs to get a 4-wheeler that's capable of a sub 8.5sec 0-100 sprint!

Top Speed and Highway Cruising : The City is king here. While the CBR may have a 10sec glory, the car is the real boss here. It can easily do 190kmph given enough road while the CBR would be left gasping for breadth at 150ks. Also, you could comfortably cruise in the City all day at 150kmph, whereas on the CBR, the ideal cruising speed would be around 100~120kph.

**princesirohi** · 08-19-2011, 05:31 PM

^^ you compare honda city with N650R or GT650R, and then you will come up with more biker friendly results...

**drlohith** · 08-19-2011, 09:37 PM

Oh ya it was lambo vs ducati in fifth gear....
(Bad memory to be blamed)

any ways bikes win against cars(atleast in some tv shows) he he he:-)

**princesirohi** · 08-19-2011, 11:32 PM

Originally posted by drlohith View Post

Oh ya it was lambo vs ducati in fifth gear....
(Bad memory to be blamed)

any ways bikes win against cars(atleast in some tv shows) he he he:-)

ya and in our hearts also, atleast mine.

**NitinGirish** · 08-20-2011, 09:16 PM

A lot has been already said. Just one thing I want to reiterate, on highways Indian Production car is lot faster than Indian Production bike. +, even an Alto will do a 120kmph relatively stress free compared to a P220 or any similiar bike.+, on really good four laned (or more) highways cars can easily do a 140kmph or more. So yeah, if you are travelling between two cities through a highway car is a much better option.

0-60 glory is purely confined to city roads. On the highway script is a little diffferent

Originally posted by blackside View Post

Ok gotta break the myth guys, no litre class stock motorbike can beat a stock bugatti veyron. As the case with bikes electronically limited to 300k's a veyron too is electronically limited and it can blow any liter class or more in stock form.

A few reasons cars are better at top speed, stability and handling.
Cars are way better aerodynamically, have the weight to carry it off, more tires to efficiently deliver power to road and the wheelbase. Bikes have a huge limitation in all these constraints.

We are not comparing bikes and cars by any rationale, its understood. Not by price, not by cc and not by bhp or torque. True the closest thing we are talking is power to weight ratio. But the reason this topic was started, was to clear our best doubt.

I as a rider with most or the best of Indian stock production bikes, can or cannot beat a stock production car, by acceleration, top speed, or handling. With no regard to any rationale. This is not about the drivers, not about quick shifters or rev limit riders, nor about city or traffic. Is your bike better than a car MACHINE to MACHINE. Answer is NO.

If you wanna find out the answer, find a safe strip of road ride your best stock bike apache rtr 180, r15, p220, karizma zmr or the likes these are the premium segment Indian bikes against a mid segment stock Indian car, with apt riders and drivers on both, you don't have to go as far as a premium segment Indian car to find out the answer.

You cannot push a bike as much as you can a car, stability, wind resistance, road grip, cornering speeds..

But apart from highways bikes have a great hand at going ahead in traffic, decent traffic and short sprints. My answer was just in pure performance terms. Ego massages, come free. We ride ahead about 95% of the time, only at the least of times do we face the fact that they can do better.

+1. Most balanced post in this entire thread, though I am not sure about the '95%'

. It should be 95% in the cities unless you want to say only 5% of travel happens on highways. But that would be a different tangent.

Originally posted by Vicky View Post

My following assessment is based on comparing my Honda CBR 250 (Rs. 1.6 Lacs) with my Honda City 1.5 V(Rs. 10.5 Lacs). Both of these vehicles are 'Performace Class' products and occupy the upper layer in their respective segments.
Top Speed and Highway Cruising : The City is king here. While the CBR may have a 10sec glory, the car is the real boss here. It can easily do 190kmph given enough road while the CBR would be left gasping for breadth at 150ks. Also, you could comfortably cruise in the City all day at 150kmph, whereas on the CBR, the ideal cruising speed would be around 100~120kph.

+1

**blackside** · 08-20-2011, 11:21 PM

Originally posted by NitinGirish View Post

A lot has been already said. Just one thing I want to reiterate, on highways Indian Production car is lot faster than Indian Production bike. +, even an Alto will do a 120kmph relatively stress free compared to a P220 or any similiar bike.+, on really good four laned (or more) highways cars can easily do a 140kmph or more. So yeah, if you are travelling between two cities through a highway car is a much better option.

0-60 glory is purely confined to city roads. On the highway script is a little diffferent

+1. Most balanced post in this entire thread, though I am not sure about the '95%'

. It should be 95% in the cities unless you want to say only 5% of travel happens on highways. But that would be a different tangent.

+1

Thanks nithin,

well the 95% i posted is because I seldom see bikes on a 4 lane or major highways. Its mostly light or heavy motor vehicles traveling these distances or people take buses. Bikes are used 95% within city and less around highways, probably my assessment in my state (tamilnadu) things may be different elsewhere. And even on highways car drivers most of them drive at an 80 - 100kmph. So the probability was based on that assumption rather than accuracy

**Vivek Kushal** · 05-22-2020, 07:22 PM

Re: Performance: Cars Vs Bikes in India

indian cars- tata indica and manza & mahindra scorpio.

0-100 P220 is unbeatable, after that its unfair to compare it with a 2 litre machine.

wait for P650 then see..

other cars are not indian. if you consider maruti suzuki as indian here comes N650 and GT650R.

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