General SBK Discussion Thread

[Streetfighter]

who is comparing them. I am pointing out the fact that they cost the same...and that they are not in the same class IS EXACTLY my issue. They cost the same and are nowhere close to each other in performance.

To me that sounds like a comparison

No the price drop wasnt due to duties or exhange rates nor due to increased sales.

Increase sales, not increased. But whatever you say, since you seem to know a lot about ducati, bikes, business and life in general I won't argue.

No, the 848 not having a steering damper is merely an example. I would never buy that bike...

Thank you, we don't want Ducati haters in our super exclusive, snooty, look how cool I am club.

When you say riding a Ducati feels different and better than the jap bikes which are found on the roads by the ton, I giggle. It comes accross to me as "hey mine maybe small, but I am glad its unique"

Did I say that? If I did I'm sorry for belittling you. But it does feel different; and certainly better for me cause I like Vs (yes I've owned v-4s too), especially V twins. Mine isn't that small, certainly unique though. You got an inferiority complex in that department too?

Sorry dude, I ride 3 Jap bikes but I guess some of the attitude brushed onto me too

Wow, you are so cool! Wish I had as much spare time as you to ride 3 bikes.

On the contrary I think some Ducati owners are too proud to admit that their precious $$ could have been better spent somewhere else. This will sound very unfair as this may not be applicable to you but is applicable to most Ducati owners out there.

Yeah I could have bought an R15 or a Ninja250R; given up work and traveled around India and the world hoping to become the next Wayne Rainey or Mick Doohan. Unfortunately age caught up with me, it's too late now.

All said and done I am loving this discussion...finally something better than
"oh congrats on your nice bike"
"nice I love this bike "
"oh wow awesome gear.."
"the front end is ugly"
"the front end looks like megatron"

We are all riders...we ride for pleasure and we discuss for enlarging our perspectives...and so what if we throw in a few tantrums and trolls while we are at it. Thats the fun part of posting online...

You have quite a few posts on how ducati's are not worth it so I stand by what I said; sour grapes.

BTW, do you like the racefit's you got from vj/prasad? I love racefit's; I was trying to convince my friends to put them on their blades but they're too chicken. From what little I know of you, perhaps the only sensible decision I can see Yeah, we got quite a few blades and cb1000s in our group.

Ducatis are shite, don't ever buy one and spread the word around. Will help in maintaining exclusivity in addition to the already present performance. End of discussion for me, over and out.

[kinshuk.arya]

that was a whole lot of knowledge for people like us who dont know the differences between inlines and vees....

thanks Streetfighter.
thanks Tenhut

but paying is 12-14l extra is something i cant digest...

[sheelpriye]

but paying is 12-14l extra is something i cant digest...

I believe we should keep our esteemed opinion under a closet

As, I haven't ridden nor a Jap i-4(hope 4 wheels don't count in here) nor a v-4/2,(nano lol) so I think I am not deemed fit to blurt anything out.
but hey, if you have, of course you may pour in your thoughts.
Peace

[TenHut]

Increase sales, not increased.

resorting to correcting grammar ? If yes then 'increase sales' is not the same as 'increased sales'.

You have quite a few posts on how ducati's are not worth it so I stand by what I said; sour grapes.

lol keep telling yourself that...that shall certainly increase your pleasure of possesing a Duc untill december. For as much as you dont want it I shall come burst your bubble this year end when I buy the 1198S. The difference ? I shall not talk out of owner affinity. I shall call the blades front end ugly and I shall maintain that the Ducs are overpriced for the performance they have to offer even after owning a Duc.

From what little I know of you, perhaps the only sensible decision I can see

I concur
Getting the racefit from PRS was my best decision while my worst decision would be at the end of this year !

Ducatis are shite, don't ever buy one and spread the word around.

The machines aint shite. The Pricing is ! Big difference ! No ?
Say good friend, I would love to come ride with the CBRs and CBs in your group. Maybe I can help you convince your friends into buying a Racefit while you convince me not to buy a Ducati ? Online personalities usually differ from the real life personalities. I guarantee you will like me a lot !

I too think we are done beating around the bush here. Mods have been pretty sweet to us untill now ! So see you riding one of these weekends and ride safe !

P.S : dont take riding school lessons to become mick doohan. Take them to know what bikes really perform like and how to save your bacon while exploiting the performance !
Trivia :This coming january Andy Ibbott of California Superbike School will also have something special to tell you regarding a Ducati which he shared with us this year in Feb. Dont sit on a duc with its stand on to test your body language on a static bike.
"Its italian"

[superjd]

resorting to correcting grammar ? If yes then 'increase sales' is not the same as 'increased sales'.


lol keep telling yourself that...that shall certainly increase your pleasure of possesing a Duc untill december. For as much as you dont want it I shall come burst your bubble this year end when I buy the 1198S. The difference ? I shall not talk out of owner affinity. I shall call the blades front end ugly and I shall maintain that the Ducs are overpriced for the performance they have to offer even after owning a Duc.


I concur
Getting the racefit from PRS was my best decision while my worst decision would be at the end of this year !


The machines aint shite. The Pricing is ! Big difference ! No ?
Say good friend, I would love to come ride with the CBRs and CBs in your group. Maybe I can help you convince your friends into buying a Racefit while you convince me not to buy a Ducati ? Online personalities usually differ from the real life personalities. I guarantee you will like me a lot !

I too think we are done beating around the bush here. Mods have been pretty sweet to us untill now ! So see you riding one of these weekends and ride safe !

P.S : dont take riding school lessons to become mick doohan. Take them to know what bikes really perform like and how to save your bacon while exploiting the performance !
Trivia :This coming january Andy Ibbott of California Superbike School will also have something special to tell you regarding a Ducati which he shared with us this year in Feb. Dont sit on a duc with its stand on to test your body language on a static bike.
"Its italian"

so i'm lost.. ppl. help me out a bit, you say ducati's are overpriced for what they offer in terms of performance yet you are willing to spend tons of money on a 1198s (from what i've read its almost double the cost in india)... why create the drama out here then? .. are you just looking for attention... there are better ways for getting that...

[AsimB]

@TenHut
So everyone who complains isnt doing so for the grapes are sour or they dont have the $$ to spare. On the contrary I think some Ducati owners are too proud to admit that their precious $$ could have been better spent somewhere else. This will sound very unfair as this may not be applicable to you but is applicable to most Ducati owners out there.

Ok so you need to realize something. People dont buy their ducatis and then realize oh shit i couldve spent the money on a jap bike and it couldve been much faster. People buy their ducatis coz they love what ducatis are and what they stand for, decades of racing heritage. Something no jap company has achieved. Have you ever seen a better designed jap bike?

And whats the whole point of throwing a tantrum that ducatis are not worth the money when you plan to buy one yourself?

So I'd said that I think everyone who complains that ducatis arent worth the money will buy a ducati if they had a few $$ more to spare.

You come close to that category, complaining that ducatis arent worth the money when all you are dreaming of right now and the only bike you want is the 1198s. Why dont you just make another jap bike faster than the 1198s? So why dont you list out the reasons why you really want to buy a 1198s? Im really interested to know.

Again the reason why you find torque down low on a twin and up high on a four has nothign to do with the fact that they are twins or fours. Engine layout isnt determining the torque you are so loving on your 1198S.
Its the intake-charge velocity which is determining that. So if you take a 1198S which has been worked on and tuned for the tracks and compare its graphs to a stock inline four you will think the 1198S is hauling ass. Now if you decrease the intake charge velocity on the same four..put into the head the largest and the lightest valves you will have a four with more torque than the twin and an even more HP for the tracks. So dont generalise saying twins have more power off the turns. You are comparing a stock bike to a not stock bike when talkign about torque out the corners and therein lies the fallacy.

Ok let me clear something since you didnt understand my post. I was very specifically comparing the STOCK 1198 to a STOCK everything else. I dont care about what engine mods you can do to make one go faster than the other.

they dont do it for you to get better drive off a turn because it doesnt give you a better drive off a turn. Like it or not..

I seriously beg to differ.
punches all the right feel-good buttons and hence I am pondering of buying one.
But I aint buying one cause its got better torque down low or better drive out a corner..

Again, missed my point. Again nobody buys a ducati for torque. Its the whole package!

My point was the Ducs are an overkill when it comes to price for the performance they have to offer. And then the publore which always makes twins seem like they are this creation of god and gibberish. It is a lifestyle product at this price..thats about it. Nothing else.

Sure, why not.

[AsimB]

I seriously don't get the point why people care so much why others buy the bikes they buy. So how does it matter even if someone who doesn't know how to ride spends a million dollars on his or her bike? Discussing it is not going to enlarge anyone's perspective.

If motorcycling is all about the pleasure, experience and the thrill, let it stay that way. Why waste time bickering about pointless issues.

[sheelpriye]

Why dont you just make another jap bike faster than the 1198s?

Ok let me clear something since you didnt understand my post. I was very specifically comparing the STOCK 1198 to a STOCK everything else. I dont care about what engine mods you can do to make one go faster than the other.

Sir, sorry to interrupt the flow of the discussion, but are you trying to say that Ducati 1198 is faster than its compatriot Japanese Motorcycles or the RSV4 or the S1000RR?
(I am not accounting anything here, but simply lap times).

[insane79]

twice the performance at half the price !

Please tell me your joking
What you saying is utter crap..

[AsimB]

Sir, sorry to interrupt the flow of the discussion, but are you trying to say that Ducati 1198 is faster than its compatriot Japanese Motorcycles or the RSV4 or the S1000RR?
(I am not accounting anything here, but simply lap times).

heres a good read for lap times etc. 2010 Superbike Smackdown VII Track - Sportbike Motorcycle Comparison Review - Motorcycle USA

ps. not claiming that the 1198s is faster around the track than all other bikes. Just trying to justify (sort of) the price tag (not in India) that comes with the Ducatis.

[sheelpriye]

heres a good read for lap times etc. 2010 Superbike Smackdown VII Track - Sportbike Motorcycle Comparison Review - Motorcycle USA

ps. not claiming that the 1198s is faster around the track than all other bikes. Just trying to justify (sort of) the price tag (not in India) that comes with the Ducatis.

Lol, i was about to share the same link with you

If motorcycling is all about the pleasure, experience and the thrill, let it stay that way.

+1
To each, his own

[AsimB]

Also ducati withdrawing from WSBK for 2011, and them filing a patent for a frameless motorcycle, and rumors about a V4 in the makes suggests the superbike Ltwin might be laid to rest soon. Which means no more 1198 superbikes, back to the 1000cc days.

Ducati Applies for Frameless Motorcycle Patent

[Streetfighter]

I don't care about the power the sf produces, how much it weighs, how it puts down the power, how expensive it is. One look is enough to make your heart rule over the head

Having said that, There is nothing in the worldwide market in the same category that even comes close to it in almost all departments. I chose to pay the premium for the looks and as a bonus I got mind numbing power, torque, brakes and hooliganism. I love the feeling of the one wheel in the air, in more gears than the first.

Increase sales means to increase sales, not that their sales increaseD and they reduced the price. But do I dare to correct the master?

And I'll add a count to the same question asked by others. You think ducati can't justify the premium for poorer performance, why in God's name are you pining over one? For the power pulses? By an enfield.

Oh and one last point. Most of the guys aren't like you, track fiends. Do you seriously think any of the average owner of a jap inline or ducati even comes close to using 50% of the bike's potential? This kind of talk is the hallmark of all talk no walk guys.

[TenHut]

@TenHut

And whats the whole point of throwing a tantrum that ducatis are not worth the money when you plan to buy one yourself?

How does my buying or not buying the bike change the fact that they are overpriced ??? I aint dreaming of the bike and thats not the only thing I want right now.Thats putting words into my mouth...after riding it at a track I contemplated buying it and then decided I will.
I am buying it for I want that bike to punch in all the feel good points which a twin does. Like you bought it...so shall I. Hows that difficult to comprehend ? I am buying it to get some variety..to know both the worlds...not buying it to claim that Ducati is the best. And even after I buy it if someone says ducatis are overpriced I shall whole heartedly agree to that...I wont put up a fight just because I own one.

Has it become a genre to claim/think whatever you buy as being the best so much so that you are unable to comprehend why anyone would buy it when one finds faults in it and doesnt claim it to be the best ?

So I criticise the pricing but am shouting at the top of my voice that the bikes dont suck ! How do I say that ? By saying I am also getting myself one. Seriously, how difficult is this to get ?


I find the blades front ugly ! Shouldnt I have bought it then ? I bought it and I dont stick to owner affinity and still maintain the flaws that blade has.

You want me to only praise Ducati and not talk of its downsides ?
Every bike has those ! For ducati its the pricing and expensive maintenance.

Why talk of it ? Why discuss, you ask !

Thats like saying if u wanna talk of a bike you better just praise it. Just say "awesome bike" dont discuss anything else.

Ok let me clear something since you didnt understand my post. I was very specifically comparing the STOCK 1198 to a STOCK everything else. I dont care about what engine mods you can do to make one go faster than the other.

no you were not !

Do you know that ducatis are not mass produced like the japanese sport bikes? They are mostly hand built which requires a lot of time as opposed to how jap bikes are built and assembled, automation!
Do you know that ducatis are always the lightest bikes in their respective classes? i own a 1198s which weights 169kg, compare that to any other bike including the s1000rr (183kg) and youl know what im talking about.

You are talking and comparing the 1198S and not the stock bike as you said you were. The graphs you posted were also of 1198S.
And ducs arent made by hand. Have you seen their factory ? Its as advanced as a bike factory can get. Watch how they are made by robots and through automation on a Twist of the Throttle episode on Discovery if you get the chance to. Dont simply believe they are hand made because you read that a thousand times on the internets.

Increase sales means to increase sales, not that their sales increaseD and they reduced the price. But do I dare to correct the master?

No the price drop wasnt due to duties or exhange rates nor due to increased sales.

we are both saying the same thing, dude !

[csgup1]

unfortunately imported stuff in india is expensive. just have to deal with it. and in a way its good bikes are that expensive. probably saves a lot of lives , specially on indian road and safety gear standards. not to mention the amount of posers on the road who just want to show off to the world.

Ducati branding is a different thing. Take a new nissan GTR and modify the shit out of an incredibly good car already. I doubt many ferraris will be able to catch it. Still people would want ferraris for the appeal. Or louis vuitton bags, jimmy choo shoes. seriously how much is a piece of leather stitched over worth???

At the end of the day, if I make a brand people are happy to pay premium for I most definitely will charge it. Some people will pay it, others wont. theres an economic balance there somewhere that the brand will exploit. the people who wont pay premium will happily buy jap inline 4's and beemers. each ones choice to their own.