GT Oil Thread

[prajnyan]

Got my GTOil pouch today. Will add it ASAP & post the updates here.


Yeah sure. How about using your CBF ??

I am actually curious whats the turn out if this unscientific alien oil in anyones vehicle. I'll be looking out for the prompt review of this by someone who dared to use it.

After pretty much review and youtube video (all flooded by paulson showing a lot of unscrupulous taxis/trucks getting filled with GToil.) and reading replies on this and other threads regarding GT oil. I have decided that its not what I want for my bike.

[HarishK]

I am actually curious whats the turn out if this unscientific alien oil in anyones vehicle. I'll be looking out for the prompt review of this by someone who dared to use it.

After pretty much review and youtube video (all flooded by paulson showing a lot of unscrupulous taxis/trucks getting filled with GToil.) and reading replies on this and other threads regarding GT oil. I have decided that its not what I want for my bike.

Its not good to comment on something that you have not experienced.

I myself was very scared to use this oil at first, I know many engines seized due to fake addictives. One of my Brave hearted friend purchased 45Ml of this GTO and treated in his bike.

It is a 3yrs old R15, Vibey, Sluggish and Stressed, exact same like how a used R15 used to be.

After doing 200Kms I took a test ride, I got blown off by its performance. It simply wouldn't want to come below 8K RPM in all gears.

Gear Shifting hardness, Engine Vibes, Engine Noise all have come down completely. I would give 100/100 for the work the oil did on his bike.

Just with that experience I added this oil to my bike and done 400Kms now, No difference in performance at all.

Both our bike are same 3yr old, Running on same Motul FS 15W50 with new Oil Filter.


Awaiting Paulson Sir to respond....

[madhav krishna]

I am actually curious whats the turn out if this unscientific alien oil in anyones vehicle. I'll be looking out for the prompt review of this by someone who dared to use it.

After pretty much review and youtube video (all flooded by paulson showing a lot of unscrupulous taxis/trucks getting filled with GToil.) and reading replies on this and other threads regarding GT oil. I have decided that its not what I want for my bike.

Dont worry that somebody includes a few senior members too (not talking about me) . After talking to them only i proceeded to try this oil.

Its not good to comment on something that you have not experienced.

I myself was very scared to use this oil at first, I know many engines seized due to fake addictives. One of my Brave hearted friend purchased 45Ml of this GTO and treated in his bike.

It is a 3yrs old R15, Vibey, Sluggish and Stressed, exact same like how a used R15 used to be.

After doing 200Kms I took a test ride, I got blown off by its performance. It simply wouldn't want to come below 8K RPM in all gears.

Gear Shifting hardness, Engine Vibes, Engine Noise all have come down completely. I would give 100/100 for the work the oil did on his bike.

Just with that experience I added this oil to my bike and done 400Kms now, No difference in performance at all.

Both our bike are same 3yr old, Running on same Motul FS 15W50 with new Oil Filter.


Awaiting Paulson Sir to respond....

Did you friend had instantaneous results?? I mean were the results of teh oil visible as soon as he added the oil or it took a couple of kms?? Coz even i added the oil today & the engine was more comfortable with it. Felt like i used a lil better engine oil than before. Rode just a 5-6kms with the oil. But seriously felt like the engine was begging to be revved more and more.

[HarishK]

Did you friend had instantaneous results?? I mean were the results of teh oil visible as soon as he added the oil or it took a couple of kms?? Coz even i added the oil today & the engine was more comfortable with it. Felt like i used a lil better engine oil than before. Rode just a 5-6kms with the oil. But seriously felt like the engine was begging to be revved more and more.

Not sure if he had instant results, but I got the chance to test it after 200Kms only. But yes the Oil has done a marvelous Job.

But to me, I am awaiting to see that change even after 400Kms.

[prajnyan]

Its not good to comment on something that you have not experienced.

I myself was very scared to use this oil at first, I know many engines seized due to fake addictives. One of my Brave hearted friend purchased 45Ml of this GTO and treated in his bike.

It is a 3yrs old R15, Vibey, Sluggish and Stressed, exact same like how a used R15 used to be.

After doing 200Kms I took a test ride, I got blown off by its performance. It simply wouldn't want to come below 8K RPM in all gears.

Gear Shifting hardness, Engine Vibes, Engine Noise all have come down completely. I would give 100/100 for the work the oil did on his bike.

Just with that experience I added this oil to my bike and done 400Kms now, No difference in performance at all.

Both our bike are same 3yr old, Running on same Motul FS 15W50 with new Oil Filter.

Awaiting Paulson Sir to respond....

Not sure if he had instant results, but I got the chance to test it after 200Kms only. But yes the Oil has done a marvelous Job.

But to me, I am awaiting to see that change even after 400Kms.

I am not kidding here.
I am seriously thinking of using the oil but after I read a worthwhile review that it doesnt harm the vehicle.

Because from what I have read you are adding this into a FS oil. Whereas I use mineral.

Also R15 has an liquid cooled engine with ECU chips to control FI. The oil grade and mechanism is different. Whereas we use a carb system which tends to build up more residue and misfire so I wanted to confirm my doubts and wasn't satisfied with word of mouth.

To your mind blowing experience on his bike but not yours, frankly was his vehicle recently serviced? Did he change to new oil + GToil or use it on old oil. At what km after previous refil did he use. How long now has he been riding. 500km isnt what I am looking for, I want review from one who has used for atleast 10000km without oil change on mineral or 15000km on FS oils. 200km after normal oil change any bike will feel superb. .

Also, I have heard that FI machines automatically adjust fuel::air depending on the engine condition, if the engine heats the radiator fans start working in R15, but how can do we deal if our engines heat up? Also what was his mileage. Any engine / piston ring wear indication etc is what I want and your "that its mind blowing" is not so satisfactory.

For what I got off from the videos and threads here is either not satisfactory or sounds too fixed (I mean someone pays u off to give good review kind). Atleast that's what I felt like and pauson was prompt to answer my question but unsatisfactory answers.

All I want to know is, without oil change how long does the vehicle go without damaging the pistons, or mileage and pickup.

Becoz the GT oil costs 500rs. right? Plus normal oil for the first time will cost me 750Rs. Instead I can buy 2 cans more of YAMALUBE 20W40 mineral oil with additives in them, supposedly lasting 3000km as recommended by yamaha, but even if I change it at 2500km , it lasts now 7500km. If with GToil treatment the oil doesnt cover this much distance without damaging the engine then it makes no sense in investing. That is what i am guessing right now.

[psr]

In US ,Most oils with super duper additives to save engine and improve FE and extend engine life have all been taken to court and proven wrong..any additive claiming so must provide reliable data on claim and explain the working of the ingredients in the Additives....if the same is not done then the claims are unsubstantiated.

Car maintenance bibles: Oil Additives
Another commonly used engine additive is PTFE..Teflon,claiming to remove friction and enable better engine efficiency...

PTFE Engine Protection? or not!

[prajnyan]

In US ,Most oils with super duper additives to save engine and improve FE and extend engine life have all been taken to court and proven wrong..any additive claiming so must provide reliable data on claim and explain the working of the ingredients in the Additives....if the same is not done then the claims are unsubstantiated.

Car maintenance bibles: Oil Additives
Another commonly used engine additive is PTFE..Teflon,claiming to remove friction and enable better engine efficiency...

PTFE Engine Protection? or not!

I completely agree with you here. Thanks for the links provided.

[princesirohi]

it seems paulson has disappeared.

if you go back a few pages you will see, i asked a number of questions to him, but either he skipped the questions or answers were not satisfactory. further claims by some fellow member like his R15 mileage increased from 33 kmpl to 55kmpl make it look bogus product. even paulson claiming something like "gtoil converts/dissolve carbon into oil" and others make it look funny. i have decided not to use it.

however, i would like to thank paulson at the same time, for he said that bardahl is not good. so i searched on internet for bardahl reviews and found that it too has no strong tests reports to back its claims. i am using bardahl for years. and now when look back and think, i feel that their is no improvement provided by bardahl in long run, though it may have some immediate benifits. and in last few years my clutch plates a re replaced more often and even bored out my engine once.

thanx psr for providing the valuable links.

i might stop using bardahl.

some more links from my side -

Guide to Oil Additives

Review of Bardahl Engine Oil Additive for Motorcycles

Bardahl engine oil additive for motorcycles

Bardahl engine oil additive for motorcycles, Bajaj Auto’s Official response

A Comparison of Car Additives (Fuel/Oil/Gearbox/Differential) | TATA Safari Club.com

however, i also found out that new wonder material in oil additives called boron CLS bond or boric acid is actually a better additive that gives results. there is a seperate thread on boron treatment in xbhp.

http://www.xbhp.com/talkies/pit-stop-general-biking-discussion/16166-boric-acid-engine-oils-does-work-out.html

should i try it.?

[prajnyan]

it seems paulson has disappeared.

if you go back a few pages you will see, i asked a number of questions to him, but either he skipped the questions or answers were not satisfactory. further claims by some fellow member like his R15 mileage increased from 33 kmpl to 55kmpl make it look bogus product. even paulson claiming something like "gtoil converts/dissolve carbon into oil" and others make it look funny. i have decided not to use it.

however, i would like to thank paulson at the same time, for he said that bardahl is not good. so i searched on internet for bardahl reviews and found that it too has no strong tests reports to back its claims. i am using bardahl for years. and now when look back and think, i feel that their is no improvement provided by bardahl in long run, though it may have some immediate benifits. and in last few years my clutch plates a re replaced more often and even bored out my engine once.

thanx psr for providing the valuable links.

i might stop using bardahl.

some more links from my side -

Guide to Oil Additives

Review of Bardahl Engine Oil Additive for Motorcycles

Bardahl engine oil additive for motorcycles



A Comparison of Car Additives (Fuel/Oil/Gearbox/Differential) | TATA Safari Club.com

however, i also found out that new wonder material in oil additives called boron CLS bond or boric acid is actually a better additive that gives results. there is a seperate thread on boron treatment in xbhp.

http://www.xbhp.com/talkies/pit-stop-general-biking-discussion/16166-boric-acid-engine-oils-does-work-out.html

should i try it.?

Hey, i read somewhere that boric acid in oil will degrade the wetclutch.Please let me know of its benefits. For now I have decided to instead change my regular mineral oil at 1500-2000km interval instead of 3000km which company suggests for Yamalube.

[Honda_CBF]

Yeah sure. How about using your CBF ??

yeah I'm ready to experiment with my CBF but only if following conditions are met:
1) I need stipend for fuel and oil expenses
2) if anything bad happens to my bike's engine then i need full replacement of the bike, yes the whole stock bike
and anybody can add to this list so that i land in full win-win position in either cases (i.e. oil's best performance & oil's failure)

It is a 3yrs old R15, Vibey, Sluggish and Stressed, exact same like how a used R15 used to be.

After doing 200Kms I took a test ride, I got blown off by its performance. It simply wouldn't want to come below 8K RPM in all gears.

Gear Shifting hardness, Engine Vibes, Engine Noise all have come down completely. I would give 100/100 for the work the oil did on his bike.

Just with that experience I added this oil to my bike and done 400Kms now, No difference in performance at all.

Both our bike are same 3yr old, Running on same Motul FS 15W50 with new Oil Filter.


Awaiting Paulson Sir to respond....

then, we should rate it 50/100, right?

[psr]

however, i also found out that new wonder material in oil additives called boron CLS bond or boric acid is actually a better additive that gives results. there is a seperate thread on boron treatment in xbhp.

http://www.xbhp.com/talkies/pit-stop-general-biking-discussion/16166-boric-acid-engine-oils-does-work-out.html

should i try it.?

Yes adding Boric Acid in engine had helped me a great deal..I had done it in both my car and bike....But a Word of CAUTION...what works for me need not work for you. As with any experiment there are risks to be taken,with understanding.
The use of Boric Acid in high pressure oil application by NASA ,and the Technical explanation by Argonne Labs of USA are all convincing..
If you want to use it in your engine, then be prepared to take a risk of engine failure and rebuild,as a worst case scenario..

Hey, i read somewhere that boric acid in oil will degrade the wetclutch.Please let me know of its benefits. For now I have decided to instead change my regular mineral oil at 1500-2000km interval instead of 3000km which company suggests for Yamalube.

I bought a pre-owned 2007 ZMA with 21k+ Kms on Odo with clutch slip.On acceleration the RPM meter will move quickly and speed will catch up later...ie., accelerate from 4k RPM to 6 K and speed will slowly rise from 55 Kmph to 80 ..after the Boric Acid treatment and riding for about 300 Kms I was surprised to see 3750 RPM for 60 kms and 5,100 RPM(approx) for 80 kmph.the clutch slip had disappeared and after 3,000 kms still in good condition...
Since I was prepared to change the clutch plates anyhow and had nothing to loose by going for the Boric Acid treatment I did it, and was surprised to get good result..
BUT a word of caution...
what works for me need not work for you.
If you have nothing to loose like it happened to me and want to experiment to learn, then go ahead and do it.

[abhijitkn]

Hi psr ji,

What I read over www that Boric Acid additive can damage the clutch in motorcycles since it is a wet clutch. Some of them also shown the photographs of the sludge covered damaged clutch plates. My brother uses it often in his Ford Fiesta & he too experienced improvement in performance but not substantial increase in mileage.
Is there any formula / method to add boric acid in a particular proportion?
Can it be added in the petrol? if yes then how much qty / lit?
Also every time you have mentioned that "What worked for me need not work for you" any particular reason or did someone damaged the engine by using boric acid?

For others who are looking out for first hand information here is the Xbhp thread on this subject.

[psr]

Hi psr ji,

What I read over www that Boric Acid additive can damage the clutch in motorcycles since it is a wet clutch. Some of them also shown the photographs of the sludge covered damaged clutch plates. My brother uses it often in his Ford Fiesta & he too experienced improvement in performance but not substantial increase in mileage.
Is there any formula / method to add boric acid in a particular proportion?
Can it be added in the petrol? if yes then how much qty / lit?
Also every time you have mentioned that "What worked for me need not work for you" any particular reason or did someone damaged the engine by using boric acid?

For others who are looking out for first hand information here is the Xbhp thread on this subject.

My experiments had been on my engines first and later on other's..I am yet to get a negative report of engine problem or clutch problem due to the use of Boric Acid.
That said it is no guarantee that it will not happen,since there are many variables like purity,molecular size,pre-mix condition of engine, etc.,
So in the best interest of the user I always warn users not to go in for the experiments unless they are prepared to face the worst results,like I was.
I cannot take risk on any user's engine,at their expense, and expect them to suffer.
So my warnings are in good faith .
I normally use 20mg for every liter of engine oil,dissolved in 2T(it mixes well in light oil) and added to NEW ENGINE OIL.

[HarishK]

My experiments had been on my engines first and later on other's..I am yet to get a negative report of engine problem or clutch problem due to the use of Boric Acid.
That said it is no guarantee that it will not happen,since there are many variables like purity,molecular size,pre-mix condition of engine, etc.,
So in the best interest of the user I always warn users not to go in for the experiments unless they are prepared to face the worst results,like I was.
I cannot take risk on any user's engine,at their expense, and expect them to suffer.
So my warnings are in good faith .
I normally use 20mg for every liter of engine oil,dissolved in 2T(it mixes well in light oil) and added to NEW ENGINE OIL.

Just read the text in Bold letters yourself, Whats the point of posting this?

One of my friend ruined his engine with this Boric Acid experiment. Hope he is in XBHP as well.

Post something useful, don't waste Time. let it be yours or others.

[princesirohi]

how long it is required to stir boric acid in 4t oil to mix completely. somebody mentioned to pre heat it. how much can you specify?