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  • Shibadip
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    Originally posted by MACH50 View Post
    U got it wrong buddy............

    Duke 200 and Pulsar 200NS are very different bikes, infact two different bikes.

    1.Weight factor - 200NS weighs more than Duke- this definitely affects both power delivery and mileage.

    2.Engine head configuration - 200NS is SOHC and Duke is DOHC- again a difference in power delivery and mileage.

    3.Fueling - 200NS is carbureted and Duke 200 is Fuel Injected - again a difference in instant power delivery and mileage.

    4.Ignition - 200NS is triple sparked and Duke 200 is single sparker - difference in torque,power delivery and mileage also gets affected by varying degrees of ignition.


    So if so many things affects the difference of the two vehicles- it is evident, that they are completely different.............yes after all these they are two different bikes from two different manufacturers, albeit in the same 200cc segment.

    I may go as far to say, that the line of difference between the Pulsar 200 and the Duke 200 is as much as the GS150R and the R15............ask me why ?

    It is because even the GS150R and the R15 sports the same gear ratios and dito similar bore\stroke configuration of the engine.........but thats where it all ends.

    R15 has Di-Asil, high lift cam 4valve engine with liquid cooling, GS150R has Aluminium coated engine internals and basic cam profile 2 valves and an air-cooled unit.
    R15 weighs around 136 kgs and GS150R weighs 150 kgs,
    R15 is fuel injected and GS150R is a carbureted.

    Result :
    R15 is a 150cc sportsbike and GS150R is a 150cc power commuter........two very different bikes in the end despite the similar bore\stroke from two different manufacturers- Yamaha and Suzuki.

    Hence I like the fact that Duke 200 is entirely different from the Pulsar 200 NS..........nothing similar except the engine Cubic Capacity- not even the gear ratios.

    What makes Pulsar 200 NS different from the former Pulsar 200 DTSi, is the new 4valve engine and the triple spark technology and a possible bigger carburetor along with monoshock suspension.
    Well, I am not dis-agreeing with you. And its for sure that Duke and NS are completely different bike.
    But taking ur facts between R15 and GS150R, then Duke should give lower Mileage than NS.

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  • MACH50
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    Originally posted by Shibadip View Post
    Me too think that since duke and ns share same bore and stroke, both will have similar FE levels(if ridden in similar conditions)
    U got it wrong buddy............

    Duke 200 and Pulsar 200NS are very different bikes, infact two different bikes.

    1.Weight factor - 200NS weighs more than Duke- this definitely affects both power delivery and mileage.

    2.Engine head configuration - 200NS is SOHC and Duke is DOHC- again a difference in power delivery and mileage.

    3.Fueling - 200NS is carbureted and Duke 200 is Fuel Injected - again a difference in instant power delivery and mileage.

    4.Ignition - 200NS is triple sparked and Duke 200 is single sparker - difference in torque,power delivery and mileage also gets affected by varying degrees of ignition.


    So if so many things affects the difference of the two vehicles- it is evident, that they are completely different.............yes after all these they are two different bikes from two different manufacturers, albeit in the same 200cc segment.

    I may go as far to say, that the line of difference between the Pulsar 200 and the Duke 200 is as much as the GS150R and the R15............ask me why ?

    It is because even the GS150R and the R15 sports the same gear ratios and dito similar bore\stroke configuration of the engine.........but thats where it all ends.

    R15 has Di-Asil, high lift cam 4valve engine with liquid cooling, GS150R has Aluminium coated engine internals and basic cam profile 2 valves and an air-cooled unit.
    R15 weighs around 136 kgs and GS150R weighs 150 kgs,
    R15 is fuel injected and GS150R is a carbureted.

    Result :
    R15 is a 150cc sportsbike and GS150R is a 150cc power commuter........two very different bikes in the end despite the similar bore\stroke from two different manufacturers- Yamaha and Suzuki.

    Hence I like the fact that Duke 200 is entirely different from the Pulsar 200 NS..........nothing similar except the engine Cubic Capacity- not even the gear ratios.

    What makes Pulsar 200 NS different from the former Pulsar 200 DTSi, is the new 4valve engine and the triple spark technology and a possible bigger carburetor along with monoshock suspension.
    Last edited by MACH50; 08-05-2012, 01:55 PM.

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  • Shibadip
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    Originally posted by Rohan200ns View Post
    even wind contributes a lot to FE .. it was showing 56kmpl on highway when i was sitting straight but it went up to 59kmpl when i crouched ...

    need lot of patience .. since duke and ns share same bore and stroke , i feel 70-80kmph is the sweet spot for maximum FE ..
    we will eventually lose patience after the initial run-in ..
    At last, U are getting all the support.
    Me too think that since duke and ns share same bore and stroke, both will have similar FE levels(if ridden in similar conditions)

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  • Rohan200ns
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    Originally posted by Jackalhead View Post
    I can stand for Rohan200ns ( yeah yeah u read it correctly.My luck?) . May be something wrong(shall I call rite?) with nandi hill road.I also got around 60 kmpl (may be a little less) with pillion on nandi strech, downhill showed 73 finnally. tried 3 times with different riding style and it varied last time of full ripping .Dropped till 39kmpl.guess dat also ok for duke when riding at 120+ all time .
    Note: FE varies with the cruise speed. 1 kmph speed means "X" FE again ride at 10kmph means You get "10 X" FE (as the fuelling stays almost same) but this difference goes up when You compare riding at 60 and 70 kmph, here Your speed stays almost same but fuel intake increases dramatically.So every bike/car has their sweet spot.For duke200 I think it is around 70-80 kmph. ride , increase speed gradually and shift as soon as possible and u got FE like platina.During Leh trip 1 duke got 98kmpl.Now what ??
    even wind contributes a lot to FE .. it was showing 56kmpl on highway when i was sitting straight but it went up to 59kmpl when i crouched ...98kmpl omg
    Originally posted by J K View Post
    +1
    This time you've got it right..! Riding styles affect mileage for sure.



    Na.. Ashwini.anand has got 49.2 kmpl.
    need lot of patience .. since duke and ns share same bore and stroke , i feel 70-80kmph is the sweet spot for maximum FE ..
    we will eventually lose patience after the initial run-in ..
    Last edited by Rohan200ns; 08-05-2012, 01:18 PM.

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  • J K
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    Originally posted by Rohan200ns View Post
    i was riding with blokes riding enfields ..they ride it the calm way .. rode it at 70-80kmph all the time ..it was also a cool day with not so much wind so the bike's temp level stayed half way throughout ...riding it without pillion and i weigh 55kgs ... i was decelerating rather than braking most of the times ... i dont know why some people have problem with everything .. i have told before that they can either agree , disagree or ignore to any posts wisely ....dont know why they have to start bickering ....
    i have a friend here whose duke is 4000+ kms old ,,, he always manages to get around 43kmpl only during city rides ... riding style will affect the bike and its performance in a massive way ...
    +1
    This time you've got it right..! Riding styles affect mileage for sure.

    Originally posted by Shibadip View Post
    Highest efficiency that i have seen on NS ownership thread is 46kmpl
    Na.. Ashwini.anand has got 49.2 kmpl.

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  • Jackalhead
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    FE

    Originally posted by vjnow View Post
    buddy..am definitely not hear to start a war...
    even i have got 40kmpl during run-in mate..
    but don't you feel that 58.2kmpl is a bit unrealistic..even if you ride it in splendor mode..??
    cheers..
    I can stand for Rohan200ns ( yeah yeah u read it correctly.My luck?) . May be something wrong(shall I call rite?) with nandi hill road.I also got around 60 kmpl (may be a little less) with pillion on nandi strech, downhill showed 73 finnally. tried 3 times with different riding style and it varied last time of full ripping .Dropped till 39kmpl.guess dat also ok for duke when riding at 120+ all time .
    Note: FE varies with the cruise speed. 1 kmph speed means "X" FE again ride at 10kmph means You get "10 X" FE (as the fuelling stays almost same) but this difference goes up when You compare riding at 60 and 70 kmph, here Your speed stays almost same but fuel intake increases dramatically.So every bike/car has their sweet spot.For duke200 I think it is around 70-80 kmph. ride , increase speed gradually and shift as soon as possible and u got FE like platina.During Leh trip 1 duke got 98kmpl.Now what ??

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  • Rohan200ns
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    Originally posted by ynike99 View Post
    Hey buddy, not here to start a war or something.but why every post if rohan is targeted? He might have got the mileage, and has posted it.
    My duke is 3 months and 3500 kms old now.recently i was doing updown for 10 days consisting of 50 kms road(60% highway, 30% city and 10 % village roads.decided to keep a mileage log and i got 42kmpl WITH speeds always excess of 120 on highway.a member, on facebook has got about 48.his bike too was in post run in period.so its very likely for rohan to get that figure wherein his bike is under running in and his half journey was downhill.just because you are not able to get a good mileage doesnt mean anybody else cant get it, right?
    Originally posted by vjnow View Post
    buddy..am definitely not hear to start a war...
    even i have got 40kmpl during run-in mate..
    but don't you feel that 58.2kmpl is a bit unrealistic..even if you ride it in splendor mode..??
    cheers..
    Originally posted by abhi_underdog View Post
    i really dont see how thats possible... war or no war...Duke is the Duke if it gives 60kmpl
    Originally posted by pulsar_flame View Post
    58.2 kmpl wow ! even my Honda Twister givers 50 ! well i am inclined to get a duke !
    Originally posted by rahuldevnath View Post
    Ha Ha.. Ok jokes apart.
    Rohan, let's meet up next weekend for a ride. We will try to measure the FE of Duke and 200NS side by side. We will ride sanely and then we can put lot of doubts to rest! What say?
    i am not the only guy reporting this kind of FE .. just go through the early pages of duke thread and one duker has even managed 61kmpl in bangalore by tankfull method ...
    @rahuldevanth - anytime ... i saw a yellow ns on NICE road today morning .. was that you?

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  • rahuldevnath
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    Originally posted by Rohan200ns View Post
    58.2kmpl by tankfull method .. details on duke ownership thread ..
    Originally posted by motor-psycle View Post
    On a lighter note.. did you push the bike for 20 kms in addition to the 38 that you rode??
    Ha Ha.. Ok jokes apart.

    Rohan, let's meet up next weekend for a ride. We will try to measure the FE of Duke and 200NS side by side. We will ride sanely and then we can put lot of doubts to rest! What say?

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  • Rahulbarik
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    Originally posted by Shibadip View Post
    Flame had a milage indicator??!!!!!!
    Now, if Duke is giving that Awesome mileage, I'm sure NS too can, but if ridden properly.
    Having said that the highest efficiency that i have seen on NS ownership thread is 46kmpl
    Yeah bro flame has a milieage indicator...but its simply crap... In stock form it showed me 100- 130 kmpl and actual mileage was 55 max... And as i told you that later my bike was heavily modified with almost nothing stock with more than 150cc up from 125, aftermarket exhaust, k&n, carburator upgrade from rtr160 and a lot more, my bike's mileage became 35 under heavy ripping, 45, normal riding and 50-52kmpl on highway maintaing 60-65 max at 4th(top) gear..(checked on nh117 from joka to diamond harbour)..and still my console showed 130kmpl.... This is the height of tvs engineering...lol... The best part about the bike is it has the most accurate speedometer with almost 0% error...the speedo sensor is inside the engine casing and runs from inside the front sprocket....

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  • Shibadip
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    Flame had a milage indicator??!!!!!!
    Now, if Duke is giving that Awesome mileage, I'm sure NS too can, but if ridden properly.
    Having said that the highest efficiency that i have seen on NS ownership thread is 46kmpl

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  • Rahulbarik
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  • pulsar_flame
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    58.2 kmpl wow ! even my Honda Twister givers 50 ! well i am inclined to get a duke !

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  • abhi_underdog
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    Originally posted by vjnow View Post
    buddy..am definitely not hear to start a war...
    even i have got 40kmpl during run-in mate..
    but don't you feel that 58.2kmpl is a bit unrealistic..even if you ride it in splendor mode..??
    cheers..
    i really dont see how thats possible... war or no war... Duke is the Duke if it gives 60kmpl

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  • MACH50
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    Mileage is generally low during run-ins.........increases as the engine frees up.

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  • vjnow
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    Originally posted by ynike99 View Post
    Hey buddy, not here to start a war or something.but why every post if rohan is targeted? He might have got the mileage, and has posted it.
    My duke is 3 months and 3500 kms old now.recently i was doing updown for 10 days consisting of 50 kms road(60% highway, 30% city and 10 % village roads.decided to keep a mileage log and i got 42kmpl WITH speeds always excess of 120 on highway.a member, on facebook has got about 48.his bike too was in post run in period.so its very likely for rohan to get that figure wherein his bike is under running in and his half journey was downhill.just because you are not able to get a good mileage doesnt mean anybody else cant get it, right?

    buddy..am definitely not hear to start a war...
    even i have got 40kmpl during run-in mate..
    but don't you feel that 58.2kmpl is a bit unrealistic..even if you ride it in splendor mode..??
    cheers..

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