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  • rahuldevnath
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    Originally posted by Rahulbarik View Post
    As you all know, 200NS has hit kolkata and me being a potential buyer finally got a test ride after a fight with the dealer... Now its time to say how the bike feels:
    Lacks power heavily...where did all those23.5bhp and 18.3nm torque go? Low end torque is very poor...less than even the pulsar 180 in my opinion.. Pulls from after 6k rpm only but there is no feel of the power even at 8k.. The rush factor of220 is not there... Engine is super smooth, gearbox a delight a use, rear disc is too sharp, front disc have very good bite and power but lacks the lever feedback of the 220...
    Bike is light, very flickable, light front end but not as light as duke, fz or rtr... Handlebars lacks the road feedback of the 220, sitting position is very commuterish, rider seats are very wide and soft, pillion seat is also good... Handling is good but nothing groundbraking.. . Expected better handling with a perimeter frame... Stability wise 220 is much better even at slow speeds... Didn't get to try cornering.... Tyres are a definite let down.... Seat is quite high..., killing the engine kill switch switches off everything...ev en the console... pilot lamps or console light dont work untill you switch on the engine...
    I dont think its an upgrade for a 220 owner...
    So which one is more fun to ride..220 or 200ns?
    Its the 220 for me anyday which is more fun...
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    But i will be buying the NS still coz its a new bike with some nice features...
    The above post is my personal opinion only...no offence to anyone
    So which one for you? 220 or 200?
    P.S. People calling the ns brakes to be better than duke should see a doctor.... seriously yaar...
    Anyways this is a total straightforward and honest review and nothing is biased...
    Your mention of lack of power puts a grin on my face. That's the beauty of NS. Trust me those surge of power on 220 is just psychological. Though you feel the kick on 220, you can't sustain it for long. Try riding 220 and 200NS side be side, redlining both the bikes for say 5Kms non stop, you will feel the difference!

    And I also have gut feeling, that because of the high saddle position, you guys feel the 220 to be more fun and a better handler, it's not the case once you get used to the commuterish yet sporty riding style of 200NS. I recently tried to take on a corner on my friends 220 (just 5 months old), on the same road as I did my NS, and hell I got scared mid corner at 70Kmph or so. A mid corner correction and braking me scared even more. The next moment I was back to NS, where i'm now most comfortable. Strange for the fact I rode a 220 for 3 years, and 35000Kms! And yeah, the 220s have got the MRF ZAPPER soft compound tires. I think it's just matter of putting some soft rubber to see the real potential of then P200NS.
    Last edited by rahuldevnath; 08-19-2012, 01:01 PM.

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  • Rahulbarik
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    There is no heat all and i am saying this coz i was wearing a half pant during the test ride... And i still wont say about cornering coz didn't get to try it, since road was potholed... But straightline stability is definitely better in 220...be in at 20kph or 60 kph...didn't go beyond that... As MG had also said, the 220 is a better off roader..., now i got that proove... Not only offroading, but also on broken city roads... The flickablility of ns and stability of 220 will be a deadly combo btw scappipng footrests on pulsars is child play.. pulsars especially the 220 and 180ug4 are very very easy to lean and corner but once you lean the bike starts shaking... Upto 60 its okay on a 220 after which cornering is scary, chasis becomes a see-saw and the front and rear wheels tries to go in different ways, handle feels totaly disconnected... But that does not make cornering impossible... Even i corner with my friend's 220 at high speed at chingrighata flyover and just before the starting of lake gardens flyover with continuously scrapping the main stand. Cornering and scrapping on a 220 is very much possible on a 220..but its more like the control of the rider than the own control of the bike... But hit a straightline and it goes like its on rails... My earlier tvs flame had a wonderful chasis...dont know what chasis it had but its an awesum handler... Straight line stability was not there but its the cornering ability...OMG! I could lean on insane angles with absoluty no fear...not to mention i had michelin tyres which aided the handling... The steering was so razor sharp and accurate with wonderful brakes...i had drums on both ends... Wonderful feedback from the chasis...and very forgiving... How did tvs manage to tune the chasis? its like a point and shoot bike...goes exactly where you want it to go... And the low end torque was insane with wheelspins... man i miss that bike...
    Last edited by Rahulbarik; 08-19-2012, 11:44 AM.

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  • Shibadip
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    In our short TD (by me and @toxicbiker), the heat wasn't felt on our legs or anything..
    When the bike was put back on the Showroom, I checked the engine heat by keepng my finger on it, and it did felt hotter than any other engine would have expected to be..

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  • Toxicbiker
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    Originally posted by dipxmebh View Post
    ya heat is dere....but not all the time....in the last two days i have only experienced heat only once.........................
    thats fine bro....you get these kinda stuff in new bike...let her understand you and you understand her....then aal will be well....its like you arranged love marriage kinda stuff..

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  • dipxmebh
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    Originally posted by Toxicbiker View Post
    rightly said bro....200 is better in terms of tech and newbie feel....but what I wouldn't agree with you is the cornering ability of 220 in respect to NS ,,,...NS is flickable than 220 but in cornering 220 is more stable...thats what I felt...and yes...Yamaha is Yamaha when it comes to handling.....I can always say..if my Fazer had a 200-220 cc heart with a mere 4bhp power more it would have been the best....man the handling part is undoubted in this fazer..which NS lacks....



    my fingers and palm is very big..so never felt like that in any bike till date...
    heat is there but not as other people say....its definitely there,...more than ZMR, R15 and CBR...may be coolant need to be changed in different brand...

    Indicators are also quite good to reach,,again big fingers...



    bro...that is the reason Yamaha is the World champion in Moto GP without having the most powerful bike....the handling scores more than 100 in Yamaha...I personally tested many bikes but the feedback and handling is unmatched with Yamaha...
    ya heat is dere....but not all the time....in the last two days i have only experienced heat only once.........................

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  • Toxicbiker
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    Originally posted by Rohan200ns View Post
    low end pull is weak in short stroke engines and it further gets amplified without FI's throttle response .. i forgot to test the nose dive of ns during braking ,, how is it ??..
    ns is much better at corners and traffic zig-zags when compare to p220 .. p220 never feels agile ...
    having owned fz in past i am still surprised thinking,, how yamaha made the fz agile,light,flickable and stable all at the same time by just using a basic diamond tubular frame ...
    p220 gives you that feeling of power with its exhaust note and initial torque kick which ns lacks ..
    the main reason why i didnt buy ns is because i owned fz for 2.5years and then i test rode duke just before riding ns ... i would have probably bought ns if i had not test ridden duke .. for me additional 40k for duke over ns seemed very cheap for what i would get in return ..
    i would pick ns over p220 cuz of the tech ,, features and also cuz p220 shows its age now ..
    rightly said bro....200 is better in terms of tech and newbie feel....but what I wouldn't agree with you is the cornering ability of 220 in respect to NS ,,,...NS is flickable than 220 but in cornering 220 is more stable...thats what I felt...and yes...Yamaha is Yamaha when it comes to handling.....I can always say..if my Fazer had a 200-220 cc heart with a mere 4bhp power more it would have been the best....man the handling part is undoubted in this fazer..which NS lacks....

    Originally posted by dipxmebh View Post
    did you feel the engine heat from 10feets away????:P
    didnt u feel that clutch lever being far???
    really tyres are miserable today also rear tyre gone off track
    n also very hard to reach to indicator switch
    my fingers and palm is very big..so never felt like that in any bike till date...
    heat is there but not as other people say....its definitely there,...more than ZMR, R15 and CBR...may be coolant need to be changed in different brand...
    Indicators are also quite good to reach,,again big fingers...

    Originally posted by Rahulbarik View Post
    exactly the same reasons why i am going for ns over 220...its old... And i NEVER said 220 is flickable than ns. Ns is much more flickable than 220 but 220 is more stable... And ns nose dive is well controlled...not as gud as a fz... Handling of ns is nothing exceptional... Its just good...not scary... Even i feel how yamaha managed to get the fz so right... What i still feel is with a perimeter frame and such a long wheelbase, the handling leaves a lot to be desired... And would have loved bit more feedback on the front brakes...
    @dip: clutch is very tight and very far...with zero freeplay...
    bro...that is the reason Yamaha is the World champion in Moto GP without having the most powerful bike....the handling scores more than 100 in Yamaha...I personally tested many bikes but the feedback and handling is unmatched with Yamaha...

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  • Toxicbiker
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    Originally posted by Rahulbarik View Post
    As you all know, 200NS has hit kolkata and me being a potential buyer finally got a test ride after a fight with the dealer... Now its time to say how the bike feels:
    Lacks power heavily...where did all those23.5bhp and 18.3nm torque go? Low end torque is very poor...less than even the pulsar 180 in my opinion.. Pulls from after 6k rpm only but there is no feel of the power even at 8k.. The rush factor of220 is not there... Engine is super smooth, gearbox a delight a use, rear disc is too sharp, front disc have very good bite and power but lacks the lever feedback of the 220...
    Bike is light, very flickable, light front end but not as light as duke, fz or rtr... Handlebars lacks the road feedback of the 220, sitting position is very commuterish, rider seats are very wide and soft, pillion seat is also good... Handling is good but nothing groundbraking.. . Expected better handling with a perimeter frame... Stability wise 220 is much better even at slow speeds... Didn't get to try cornering.... Tyres are a definite let down.... Seat is quite high..., killing the engine kill switch switches off everything...ev en the console... pilot lamps or console light dont work untill you switch on the engine...
    I dont think its an upgrade for a 220 owner...
    So which one is more fun to ride..220 or 200ns?
    Its the 220 for me anyday which is more fun....
    But i will be buying the NS still coz its a new bike with some nice features...
    The above post is my personal opinion only...no offence to anyone
    So which one for you? 220 or 200?
    P.S. People calling the ns brakes to be better than duke should see a doctor.... seriously yaar...
    Anyways this is a total straightforward and honest review and nothing is biased...
    Bro likes the review man...
    yup its true handling and fun is still there with 220..one thing I forgot to mention is the RVM...man may be I ride a Fazer for that also..the RVM in NS is very bad and poor in terms of visibility...i really need to bend my head for the complete view of road....and about brakes its good but not at per as R15 or Duke....not at all....its like 220...
    I have shown my friend what is flikabiliy when I rode with pillion (with him) and NS didn't came near to it....should have done better with handling....in terms of power delivery...low end in this case is good....not better than fz's but better than R15 or CBR....its just in the middle....

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  • MACH50
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    Got my Duke 200 today - its a bloody Lamborghini

    The Duke 200 I got,

    Is Ultra Fast,
    Is Ultra refined at gears,
    Gets hot in slow traffic,
    Snatches under 1500 rpms.
    Has already clocked 67 kms - under motoman's break-in.
    Made a Pulsar 220S feel insecure in just a single gear 4th for the Duke- I was just loading and unloading the engine as per motoman's method

    This bike is a high end Streefighter for sure.............maybe the best in the KTM Duke family too..........so it seems

    My cousin too took a test ride and his mature decision of going for the 200NS changed to the boyish decision of going for the Duke 200 and bath in adrenaline !!!

    Last edited by MACH50; 08-19-2012, 02:02 AM.

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  • Rahulbarik
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    Originally posted by Rohan200ns View Post
    low end pull is weak in short stroke engines and it further gets amplified without FI's throttle response .. i forgot to test the nose dive of ns during braking ,, how is it ??..
    ns is much better at corners and traffic zig-zags when compare to p220 .. p220 never feels agile ...
    having owned fz in past i am still surprised thinking,, how yamaha made the fz agile,light,flickable and stable all at the same time by just using a basic diamond tubular frame ...
    p220 gives you that feeling of power with its exhaust note and initial torque kick which ns lacks ..
    the main reason why i didnt buy ns is because i owned fz for 2.5years and then i test rode duke just before riding ns ... i would have probably bought ns if i had not test ridden duke .. for me additional 40k for duke over ns seemed very cheap for what i would get in return ..
    i would pick ns over p220 cuz of the tech ,, features and also cuz p220 shows its age now ..
    exactly the same reasons why i am going for ns over 220...its old... And i NEVER said 220 is flickable than ns. Ns is much more flickable than 220 but 220 is more stable... And ns nose dive is well controlled...not as gud as a fz... Handling of ns is nothing exceptional... Its just good...not scary... Even i feel how yamaha managed to get the fz so right... What i still feel is with a perimeter frame and such a long wheelbase, the handling leaves a lot to be desired... And would have loved bit more feedback on the front brakes...
    @dip: clutch is very tight and very far...with zero freeplay...

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  • Rohan200ns
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    Originally posted by Rahulbarik View Post
    As you all know, 200NS has hit kolkata and me being a potential buyer finally got a test ride after a fight with the dealer... Now its time to say how the bike feels:
    Lacks power heavily...where did all those23.5bhp and 18.3nm torque go? Low end torque is very poor...less than even the pulsar 180 in my opinion.. Pulls from after 6k rpm only but there is no feel of the power even at 8k.. The rush factor of220 is not there... Engine is super smooth, gearbox a delight a use, rear disc is too sharp, front disc have very good bite and power but lacks the lever feedback of the 220...
    Bike is light, very flickable, light front end but not as light as duke, fz or rtr... Handlebars lacks the road feedback of the 220, sitting position is very commuterish, rider seats are very wide and soft, pillion seat is also good... Handling is good but nothing groundbraking.. . Expected better handling with a perimeter frame... Stability wise 220 is much better even at slow speeds... Didn't get to try cornering.... Tyres are a definite let down.... Seat is quite high..., killing the engine kill switch switches off everything...ev en the console... pilot lamps or console light dont work untill you switch on the engine...
    I dont think its an upgrade for a 220 owner...
    So which one is more fun to ride..220 or 200ns?
    Its the 220 for me anyday which is more fun....
    But i will be buying the NS still coz its a new bike with some nice features...
    The above post is my personal opinion only...no offence to anyone
    So which one for you? 220 or 200?
    P.S. People calling the ns brakes to be better than duke should see a doctor.... seriously yaar...
    Anyways this is a total straightforward and honest review and nothing is biased...
    low end pull is weak in short stroke engines and it further gets amplified without FI's throttle response .. i forgot to test the nose dive of ns during braking ,, how is it ??..
    ns is much better at corners and traffic zig-zags when compare to p220 .. p220 never feels agile ...
    having owned fz in past i am still surprised thinking,, how yamaha made the fz agile,light,flickable and stable all at the same time by just using a basic diamond tubular frame ...
    p220 gives you that feeling of power with its exhaust note and initial torque kick which ns lacks ..
    the main reason why i didnt buy ns is because i owned fz for 2.5years and then i test rode duke just before riding ns ... i would have probably bought ns if i had not test ridden duke .. for me additional 40k for duke over ns seemed very cheap for what i would get in return ..
    i would pick ns over p220 cuz of the tech ,, features and also cuz p220 shows its age now ..

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  • dipxmebh
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    Originally posted by Rahulbarik View Post
    As you all know, 200NS has hit kolkata and me being a potential buyer finally got a test ride after a fight with the dealer... Now its time to say how the bike feels:
    Lacks power heavily...where did all those23.5bhp and 18.3nm torque go? Low end torque is very poor...less than even the pulsar 180 in my opinion.. Pulls from after 6k rpm only but there is no feel of the power even at 8k.. The rush factor of220 is not there... Engine is super smooth, gearbox a delight a use, rear disc is too sharp, front disc have very good bite and power but lacks the lever feedback of the 220...
    Bike is light, very flickable, light front end but not as light as duke, fz or rtr... Handlebars lacks the road feedback of the 220, sitting position is very commuterish, rider seats are very wide and soft, pillion seat is also good... Handling is good but nothing groundbraking.. . Expected better handling with a perimeter frame... Stability wise 220 is much better even at slow speeds... Didn't get to try cornering.... Tyres are a definite let down.... Seat is quite high..., killing the engine kill switch switches off everything...ev en the console... pilot lamps or console light dont work untill you switch on the engine...
    I dont think its an upgrade for a 220 owner...
    So which one is more fun to ride..220 or 200ns?
    Its the 220 for me anyday which is more fun....
    But i will be buying the NS still coz its a new bike with some nice features...
    The above post is my personal opinion only...no offence to anyone
    So which one for you? 220 or 200?
    P.S. People calling the ns brakes to be better than duke should see a doctor.... seriously yaar...
    Anyways this is a total straightforward and honest review and nothing is biased...
    did you feel the engine heat from 10feets away????:P
    didnt u feel that clutch lever being far???
    really tyres are miserable today also rear tyre gone off track
    n also very hard to reach to indicator switch

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  • Rahulbarik
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    Originally posted by Shibadip View Post
    Nicely averted the Controversy by posting here!!!
    But then again this thread always proved to be hot
    haha rightly guessed... now waiting for some hoopla...

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  • Shibadip
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    Nicely averted the Controversy by posting here!!!
    But then again this thread always proved to be hot

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  • Rahulbarik
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    As you all know, 200NS has hit kolkata and me being a potential buyer finally got a test ride after a fight with the dealer... Now its time to say how the bike feels:
    Lacks power heavily...where did all those23.5bhp and 18.3nm torque go? Low end torque is very poor...less than even the pulsar 180 in my opinion.. Pulls from after 6k rpm only but there is no feel of the power even at 8k.. The rush factor of220 is not there... Engine is super smooth, gearbox a delight a use, rear disc is too sharp, front disc have very good bite and power but lacks the lever feedback of the 220...
    Bike is light, very flickable, light front end but not as light as duke, fz or rtr... Handlebars lacks the road feedback of the 220, sitting position is very commuterish, rider seats are very wide and soft, pillion seat is also good... Handling is good but nothing groundbraking.. . Expected better handling with a perimeter frame... Stability wise 220 is much better even at slow speeds... Didn't get to try cornering.... Tyres are a definite let down.... Seat is quite high..., killing the engine kill switch switches off everything...ev en the console... pilot lamps or console light dont work untill you switch on the engine...
    I dont think its an upgrade for a 220 owner...
    So which one is more fun to ride..220 or 200ns?
    Its the 220 for me anyday which is more fun....
    But i will be buying the NS still coz its a new bike with some nice features...
    The above post is my personal opinion only...no offence to anyone
    So which one for you? 220 or 200?
    P.S. People calling the ns brakes to be better than duke should see a doctor.... seriously yaar...
    Anyways this is a total straightforward and honest review and nothing is biased...

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  • Rahulbarik
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    Originally posted by Toxicbiker View Post
    hahahha
    LOL
    I thought so....it suits on that places only...
    haha exactly..

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