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**antz.bin** · 09-02-2012, 12:52 AM

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The old law said that you will be fined an amount of Rs.100 if you are caught riding without your license with you. Thats is just what the law said so no arguing that. I guess a few months back there was a news that the fines were about to be raised. Were they?

I have no idea about that one.

**HarishK** · 09-02-2012, 12:53 AM

Originally posted by pulsater View Post

It just struck to my mind that if we are stopped for documents checking by cops and don't have (or forgot to keep) the documents with us BUT do have a valid driving license kept at home. Should the cops issue a ticket?

A person is fined for not having a driving license (that is, not able to clear the driving test or has not taken the test yet, hence not eligible to drive/ride) but why should he be booked for not having a driving licence with him at that particular point of time?

Well its not like a helmet, you can simply have a photo copy of your DL along with the other docs. DL is just like the other docs, if not present with you at the time of inspection and if you are not ready to pay the fine, then the bike will be towed to the respective police station like a stray dog and you can collect it from there by producing the appropriate docs. (But you well know what matters to cops and though you produce the docs still you will endup paying)

**Old Fox** · 09-02-2012, 01:06 AM

Originally posted by pulsater View Post

It just struck to my mind that if we are stopped for documents checking by cops and don't have (or forgot to keep) the documents with us BUT do have a valid driving license kept at home. Should the cops issue a ticket?

A person is fined for not having a driving license (that is, not able to clear the driving test or has not taken the test yet, hence not eligible to drive/ride) but why should he be booked for not having a driving licence with him at that particular point of time?

The DL is a legal certificate of your abilities to drive/ride a vehicle safely on public roads. Ideally it can be displayed on your vehicle but since you insist on the freedom of switching vehicles at will, you are expected to carry it on your person to prove its existence (and in turn your ability to use a vehicle safely) if demanded by a competent authority (usually a cop).

The fine is for:

Case 1: if you don't possess it at all - then for the illegal act of driving/riding a vehicle without having been tested and accredited to do so by a competent authority.

Case 2: If you forget to carry it with you - the fine here Abhinai babu is merely a punishment for being forgetful

**pulsater** · 09-02-2012, 01:09 AM

Originally posted by HarishK View Post

DL is just like the other docs, if not present with you at the time of inspection and if you are not ready to pay the fine, then the bike will be towed to the respective police station like a stray dog and you can collect it from there by producing the appropriate docs. (But you well know what matters to cops and though you produce the docs still you will endup paying)

exactly my thought. i think the cops then have the right to tow your vehicle to the station till you produce the evidence of your license. or we can phone some one to get the license to the spot and get out of the situation?

Sad, that one still would have to go through the whole "grueling and torturous" process of negotiating and picking up his vehicle from the station, in the worst case. In west, they check the database and let you go if you are clean on points.

**yellowspunk** · 09-02-2012, 01:11 AM

Even if you tell your teacher you did your homework but left it at home.. it will be deemed as incomplete unless you produce it. Same applies here.

Originally posted by pulsater View Post

exactly my thought. i think the cops then have the right to tow your vehicle to the station till you produce the evidence of your license. or we can phone some one to get the license to the spot and get out of the situation?

Sad, that one still would have to go through the whole "grueling and torturous" process of negotiating and picking up his vehicle from the station, in the worst case. In west, they check the database and let you go if you are clean on points.

You can ask someone to get your licence for you. No cop will tow your vehicle unless its a parking issue. They will try to milk you for whatever they can. This is india, we dont have computers, if you have money for two movie tickets you should be fine. No torturous wait at police station necessary.

**pulsater** · 09-02-2012, 01:14 AM

Originally posted by Old Fox View Post

The fine is for:

Case 1: if you don't possess it at all - then for the illegal act of driving/riding a vehicle without having been tested and accredited to do so by a competent authority.

Case 2: If you forget to carry it with you - the fine here Abhinai babu is merely a punishment for being forgetful

Case 1 is fine and justified Sandeep sir, but should one really be fined for forgetting to have his documents with him? I think that's one big debate here

**yellowspunk** · 09-02-2012, 01:17 AM

Originally posted by pulsater View Post

Case 1 is fine and justified Sandeep sir, but should one really be fined for forgetting to have his documents with him? I think that's one big debate here

there is no debate here. if forgetting is not fined everyone will say i forgot and nobody will get a license.

Again its like saying i forgot my hall ticket but let me write the exam lol even though you might have multitude of id proofs for proving you are you without a hall ticket you cant write a exam.

**pulsater** · 09-02-2012, 01:21 AM

Originally posted by yellowspunk View Post

You can ask someone to get your licence for you. No cop will tow your vehicle unless its a parking issue. They will try to milk you for whatever they can. This is india, we dont have computers, if you have money for two movie tickets you should be fine. No torturous wait at police station necessary.

Yellowspunk, we all know this, dont we?

I think Sandeep sir has brought up a really nice point here. Should one be booked for forgetting to have his documents with him?. should this really be a payable offense?

**pulsater** · 09-02-2012, 01:24 AM

Originally posted by yellowspunk View Post

there is no debate here. if forgetting is not fined everyone will say i forgot and nobody will get a license.

Again its like saying i forgot my hall ticket but let me write the exam lol even though you might have multitude of id proofs for proving you are you without a hall ticket you cant write a exam.

See thats the point here. When some genuine road user forgets to carry his documents, shouldn't there be a technical or some other sort of way to validate his excuse. this is some thing i am not able to find words for to explain properly, shame.

**Old Fox** · 09-02-2012, 01:26 AM

Originally posted by pulsater View Post

Case 1 is fine and justified Sandeep sir, but should one really be fined for forgetting to have his documents with him? I think that's one big debate here

A system is built considering, amongst other things, the volumes it shall be expected to handle. If a company employing say 200 odd people issues I cards and expects them to be carried in person each day the employee attending office to keep a tab on attendance and controlling access, then imagine what it is like on a countrywide basis.

Without thousands to be checked and only a couple of check points, the only way you can remove unnecessary congestion is by eliminating the majority - in this case the valid DL holders. Your forgetfulness increases the check-point's work load, increases congestion and delays other legitimate road users who did not forget to carry their DL with them. You get fined for 'costing' the system more.

Edit: saw your later post late: there can be and is technology that does away with the need to actually have the physical document in your possession and as you yourself have stated earlier is used in the west. But then till we don't have it around, be ready to shell out for forgetting.

**yellowspunk** · 09-02-2012, 01:45 AM

Originally posted by pulsater View Post

Yellowspunk, we all know this, dont we?

I think Sandeep sir has brought up a really nice point here. Should one be booked for forgetting to have his documents with him?. should this really be a payable offense?

Originally posted by pulsater View Post

See thats the point here. When some genuine road user forgets to carry his documents, shouldn't there be a technical or some other sort of way to validate his excuse. this is some thing i am not able to find words for to explain properly, shame.

i dont understand your problem bro. its legally necessary. probably like dog collar chips, in the future we might also have chips under our skin which we will never forget but as far as i know even in developed countries you are required to produce your licence and other papers when a cop asks, if you dont have it with you can be fined. The officer may excuse you on his own accord but legally you can be fined.

a police guy cant keep finding out if you are being truthful or not.. he checks 100s of people everyday. And if something goes wrong it will be his fault or more appropriately the systems fault hence the system has this built in measure.

Unless you have face recognition there is no escaping this hassle. And i dont think even foreign countries have it.

I have a copy of my licence in my bike, my purse and my phone.

police are pretty tech savvy these days. In chennai i showed my licence on phone and they had no issues. probably that will help you since you will never forget your phone !!

**anand roy** · 09-02-2012, 09:10 AM

Originally posted by yellowspunk View Post

Unless you have face recognition there is no escaping this hassle. And i dont think even foreign countries have it.

I have a copy of my licence in my bike, my purse and my phone.

police are pretty tech savvy these days. In chennai i showed my licence on phone and they had no issues. probably that will help you since you will never forget your phone !!

Now that was something informative and useful, Id try doing that keeping the original licence in the bag. :P

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**Divya Sharan** · 09-02-2012, 09:45 AM

Simple answer - Yes, you're liable to be fined if you're caught without a licence.
Genuine or not, it doesn't matter.

Make a habit of carrying all docs with you.
Use your bike's storage box (the plastic box which is seen in most 100cc/125cc/135cc mobikes)

Better, keep a xerox copy in your wallet. Also, keep a scanned copy in your mobile phone (for smartphone users)

There's no excuse for forgetting such things.

(The above applies for all mobike related papers)

+1 to Yellowspunk.

**aargee** · 09-02-2012, 10:07 PM

One night I'd been under the same situation; the Police asked me to go home & produce the docs. By the time I returned after midnight, the bike was put up in Police station & I was asked to come the next day since SI had gone home by then.

Next morning, I was asked to pay the fine Rs 150 (no challan ofcourse) & they handed over the bike after noting down my name & address.

Once my known acquaintance was under the same circumstance. He called up his friend's Father who was DGP at that time; obviously things turned out quite different.

Point - In this country, you're at the mercy of power, money or both. If you've any or all of them, things work your way!!!

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