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  • Engine Decarbonization using Water??

    Was just YouTube'ing around and came to know about this decarbonization process, in which fine mist of water is sprayed into the intake of an running engine!!Googled a bit a found many forums talking about it. So, its making me feel like authentic..Would like to know more about it, how it works, what can go wrong, what's the catch etc etc..Here the link for the video:TDI Decarbonization With Water Mist - YouTube
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      Thanks for super fast approval bro btw, there are lots of videos regarding 'water decarbonization'
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        come on guys, I'm waiting for replies

        Been 3 days and 72 views still not even a comment.
        Anyways, found a persons experiment with after and before pics, proving this water thing works (not upto the point i thought).
        Here's the link:
        Last edited by Honda_CBF; 09-19-2012, 05:17 PM. Reason: Formating + hyperlinking
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        • #5
          this is what i found today on the net while surfing for decarbonising methods...
          Club Lexus Forums - View Single Post - Water Decarbonization - Have you tried it?

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          In automotive applications, both the 1962 Corvair Spyder and Corsa, and Oldsmobile F-85 Jetfire used water injection to cool the charge air coming from the turbos. The Corvair's air cooled flat six, and the 215 CID V8 in the F-85 both used "turbo fluid" (a water-ethanol mix) to fill a small tank under the hood that would be sprayed into the intake under heavy applications of throttle. The technology came directly from the WW2 fighter aircraft and worked without any major problems.

          Why was it abandoned? First of all, these were all-mechanical turbo/injection systems, without the sophistication of today's sensors and ECM's. Fighter aircraft generally flew 50 hours or so before an engine swap and overhaul. While that's 6-8 missions in the air, with a good chance of being shot down or the engine wrecked by battle damage, your family car is expected to run for more than six months without an engine teardown. Warranty issues finally ended turbos and water injection systems in domestic automobiles. Back in the day they were considered high-maintenance.
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            water injection helps prevent detonation, hense they used it with turbo's.
            Lead still has the best anti detonation properties.

            Be careful if you do try this, remember water is not compressible, meaning if u put too much in at 1 time you may fill the cylinder and blow the headgasket.
            Also the carbon fills the cracks, holes etc making it smooth, Removing these deposits can make your engine run much worse.
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              In WW2 the aircrafts with Piston engine had to struggle at higher altitudes to produce enough power due to lack of Oxygen.Running these engines lean obviously meant higher temperature,and so to cool the incoming charge as well as the engine water mist was used in the inlet...innovations soon made the Junkers Special into what was popularly called "Ha ha " fighters(Nitro injection) ...Too much of water in larger droplets in the inlet will lead to formation of water in the combustion chamber and can lead to hydro lock and banana con rods.
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              • #8
                i want to ask something, if water is entered into combustion chamber in the form of mist spray, when the ignition occurs, this water will turn to steam, which expands. this should increase the engine's output power...??
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                    Originally posted by ROCKRZ View Post
                    this is what i found today on the net while surfing for decarbonising methods...



                    Club Lexus Forums - View Single Post - Water Decarbonization - Have you tried it?
                    thanks for the link. Have read most of the similar thread and most people say it works but nobody tells about the side effects. I mean side effects only and the devastating consequences like hydro lock or bent con rod..

                    Originally posted by Mad Mik View Post
                    Be careful if you do try this, remember water is not compressible, meaning if u put too much in at 1 time you may fill the cylinder and blow the headgasket.
                    Also the carbon fills the cracks, holes etc making it smooth, Removing these deposits can make your engine run much worse.
                    thanks for the tip.

                    Originally posted by Mad Mik View Post
                    water injection helps prevent detonation, hense they used it with turbo's.
                    Originally posted by psr View Post
                    In WW2 the aircrafts with Piston engine had to struggle at higher altitudes to produce enough power due to lack of Oxygen.Running these engines lean obviously meant higher temperature,and so to cool the incoming charge as well as the engine water mist was used in the inlet
                    OT: so what about tunning our bikes lean and injecting water mist for greater mileage w/o any engine damage. further according to prince's (and mine too) power should increase.. and also carbon deposits would be less...


                    Originally posted by princesirohi View Post
                    i want to ask something, if water is entered into combustion chamber in the form of mist spray, when the ignition occurs, this water will turn to steam, which expands. this should increase the engine's output power...??
                    I "think" yes.. steam expands much more than same volume of AFR.


                    So how about using water + injector cleaner type of mixture??
                    BTW, have you checked the second link I've posted? it proves this water mist thing works..
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                    • #11
                      I had read this many years ago (back in late 80's early 90's) in Popular Mechanics magazine. Back then they were talking about using distilled water, small teaspoons and very slowly pouring a teaspoon at a time down the carb's throat or the throttle body on a EFI while holding the rpm's around 2500-3000. I had tried this with my cars in the past. I
                      The engine will run rough, shake, black grey smoke comes out the tail pipes. I couldn't really notice much of an improvement, My "Bum" dyno didn't tell me too much.

                      Theory of it is when the water reaches the combustion chamber instantly turns into steam (of course due to the very high temperatures)
                      This very rapid expansion and almost explosive change of state )without the "bang") is what "blasts" the carbon deposits off the walls.
                      It is a similar way to how a high pressure steam cleaner blasts grease, dirt, grime, deposits off the surface it is cleaning.

                      Just keep in mind that the carbon fills the cracks, holes, imperfections to make a smooth surface (due to the constant moving of metal ontop, Almost like polishing it) Removing this carbon will make the once smooth surfaces rough again.

                      As for water injection Yes water is great at helping control knocking/detonation.
                      My friend had a little 1.5L turbo front wheel drive (Nissan N12 ET Pulsar) He wound up the boost and used the windscreen washer reserviour and its water pump to pump water into his intake charge. The pump was connected to his horn, So when he was running high boost, full throttle he would hit his horn to stop the detonation.
                      It was fun for a while until we got a dedicated button for the water injection system.

                      Water spray onto your air 2 air intercooler is also another way for reducing inlet air temps. 1 degree cooler air = 1hp gain. This is why your vehicle has much more power when it is cold Vs hot.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Mad Mik View Post

                        Theory of it is when the water reaches the combustion chamber instantly turns into steam (of course due to the very high temperatures)
                        This very rapid expansion and almost explosive change of state )without the "bang") is what "blasts" the carbon deposits off the walls.
                        It is a similar way to how a high pressure steam cleaner blasts grease, dirt, grime, deposits off the surface it is cleaning.

                        Don't you (or anyone else) think, this "blasting" carbon deposits off can damage things? i think, that rapid expansion is more than what an engine is designed for..
                        And what if any big carbon deposit bangs into valves or piston, i think damage is inevitable.
                        and all this gunk goes to the exhaust pipe and to the cat-cons, right? wont these carbon deposits are bad for cat-con.. or am I thinking too hard
                        oh man!! need an engine + stock silencer for experimenting on..
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                        • #13
                          almost all technologies have advantages and disadvantages, if you can control and reduce the disadvantages and optimize the advantages, it becomes a useful technology.

                          a lot of people world over are running there vehicles on water, even a guy in Gujarat and one in Maharashtra too, how do you think they do it....?? coz i don't think it is fuel cell, it has something to do with an ICE only.
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                            Originally posted by princesirohi View Post
                            almost all technologies have advantages and disadvantages, if you can control and reduce the disadvantages and optimize the advantages, it becomes a useful technology.
                            thats what I'm trying to do. all over the web I can only find advantages and advantages.. (not talking about hydro-lock) I want to know about disadvantages.

                            Originally posted by princesirohi View Post
                            a lot of people world over are running there vehicles on water, even a guy in Gujarat and one in Maharashtra too, how do you think they do it....?? coz i don't think it is fuel cell, it has something to do with an ICE only.
                            but thats running on pure water na.. this is different>> air+petrol+water..
                            BTW, there's someone in M.H. who's running his 97cc hero honda on compressed air
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Honda_CBF View Post

                              but thats running on pure water na.. this is different>> air+petrol+water..
                              they say it runs on water, just to emphasize on the fact. i don't think it will run purely on water, it has something to do with pre-heated water or steam entered into combustion chamber, it should still use petrol to maintain ignition. thats what i think.
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