Re: The POWERHOUSE Fz18

Talking about Motozone, ive never heard a single person saying that Motozone claims this and that or they manufactur the CDI. Dude I have proof of what they told me almost 6 months back when I asked them about your big bore kits when I didn't even know what Motozone was, they just told me in a very simple lingo that they might last 50k kms pr even seize at 500kms, better running in and proper observation is required.
They never asked me to come down to their shop and buy their products, I even asked them if they manufacture those Big Bore kits, they said no we dont, we get it from a vendor.
I hae more biker friends than you habe as your customers Joel, if you want I can make them speak about what Motozone has conveyed.
Humiliating publically wont make you a Tuner, u will remain the same tooner who cheats people. U wasted 1 and half month and 50k of mine. What do you have to say about that, the money you have returned is not what ive spend on your Drama.
Getting back to the topic.
Motozone didn't call me to get my bike repaired by them, I was forced to take my bike there with my friends exhaust because you have no bloo** idea what time means and what I had been facing because of you. Idiot!
I went to motozone to get a new exhaust which you failed to deliver even after 5+ weeks of cribbing. So now when I went to Motozone pune, I saw a pulsar 200 standing. While we were discussing about my new exhaust I went to buy a pack of cigarettes on that pulsar 200 which they had made for a customer. I immediately came back without even buying my ciggies and asked them, WHAT ON EARTH HAVE YOU DONE TO THIS BIKE. I was shocked to hear it was a p200.
I was feeling so ashamed to have a 220 which was half of what that 200 was. I immediately asked him to do all he can to make it more powerful than this 200. Next day he called me up and told me to have a look at what my Head looked like, please note: I had already seen my head, writing this so that Mr Tooner doesn't have a soft corner saying he must have replaced it with some other head.
So the head was carved with an ice cream scooper. I asked him to do anything he wants to do so as to make her a proper beast.
Next day I was called and asked to take a spin.
My bike was literally flying, so much power, so much grunt and such smoothness I got.
It was unbelievable for me.
It was hard for me to swallow it down my throat that I burnt my 40 grands on a Tooner. My father's hard earned money.
Since that day ive clocked somee 5k kms, thw happiness I have got in those 5k kms has never been felt before.
Again saying the same words: O am yet to hear a single person who claims to have heard motozone saying that they have manufactured the Race CDI and the Big Bore kit.
I know ull get your well wishers here to say that they have heard them saying this and that
One more thing, Mr Vikram genuinely told me that you have a very good Bore installed by luck which will last long because I took all the necessary care and preventions. So if that makes hima tall claimer then I guess you should go back to school and learn something called studies.

So now after so much discussion done on this topic. shv18 has perfectly elaborated every single thing in the best manner possible with no false claims and no fake stories like you. We both were used by you and we are here to tell everyone what we went through amd why we ask them not to go for your products and work.

Please stop sending your Friends or Spies at other mech to see how they work and how they do the headwork, your stealing others work and ideas and then calling it a success? Cheap marketing strategy dude.

By the way whom did you call a road side mechanic?? Dude your garage is also on a road side. I firmly believe those road side mechs are better than your mechs and you.

Talking about your cars?? Come down to vadodra someday, ill show you what a Cedia can do and what you call international standards. Open challenge dude.




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Let's learn more about engines Part 2

Hi All,

in my consistent effort to educate riders and also learn and share from each other, lets move our class to next set of videos:


1) Piston Blow-by: I am sure a lot of riders may have heard about this term at some point on xbhp. One may have also noticed slight amount of oil deposition at the bottom of the air filter box. So first let us understand how a piston blow-by occurs:

PCV System (Part 2) - What is Blow-by - YouTube

2) Effects of Blow- by: This video will reflect the effects of blow-by. By nature if your piston rings have gone kaput, the blow-by will result in poisoning of the engine oil and you may notice the engine oil becoming black very quickly as the video link suggests:

PCV System (Part 3) - The Effects of Blow-by - YouTube

3) First generation Anti Blow by measures. This video will help you understand further how a manufacturer overcomes the problems of blow-by by using PCV system:

PCV System (Part 4) - Removing Blow-by, First Generation - YouTube

4) PCV system or Positive Control Valve. This system is present in almost all bikes used to encourage Positive Crankcase Ventilation. The hose is usually connected to the Airbox from your bike's engine so that when the engine is running, any blow-by gases are drawn away from the engine and gets re-introduced into the combustion chamber to burn off the unwanted gases and also reduce the emission further. Some riders may have noticed a slight amount of oil deposition at the bottom of the air filter box. That hose connected to your airbox is the same thing we are referring to here This video will give the readers an idea how the thing works.

PCV System (Part 5) - The PCV System is Born - YouTube

5) Effects of a malfunctioning PCV system:

PCV System (Part 6) - Symptoms of a MIssing or Defective PCV System - YouTube


Now for all the Noobs scratching their head over these technical terminologies wondering how is this related to the Tooner and his Big Blown Kits?? The video links above are trying to make you understand is certain basics about the functioning of an engine. The piston blow-by occurs due to the nature of the functioning of a piston engine. For readers who have referred to the older posts on this thread and heard the term piston - blowby somewhere in the discussion, it will make a lot of sense to them. Usually when a piston blow-by occurs the PCV system in our respective bikes take the unwanted gases from the engine to the airbox where it is again re-introduced to the combustion chamber to be burnt off in order to reduce emission. Now due to the nature of condensation, some amount of these greasy vapours turns liquid and the residual sticky oil may be found sometimes at the bottom of the airbox which is completely normal. The cause for alarm starts the moment the amount of residual oil becomes too much inside the airbox which may indicated failed piston rings. So for readers and all the riders who have suffered in the hands of the Tooner, if you do witness this phenomenon at the bottom of the airbox where the residual oil is too much then there is a possibility that the piston rings have failed leading to excessive blow-by of gases from the combustion chamber which is being regulated by the PCV system.

Since, all the data shared before in the earlier report logs on this thread suggests the oval nature of the cylinder to the shoddy quality of the piston kit from the famous BB kit/Big Blown kits, i won't be surprised if many of the existing owners of the Tooned bikes may have witnessed the same as early as 3,000 kms (if the kits are still surviving!! ). If anyone of you are able to identify this symptom then probably taking off the kit and reverting to stock before the unthinkable happens would be a good idea.

I hope the series of such educational videos will help of us becoming better informed riders and also in some circumstances understand and marvel at the engineering that goes behind to keep everything ticking without any problems and most of the times the user being completely unaware of it.

Hope we learned something more today..


Cheers,

Re: The POWERHOUSE Fz18

Its a full convoy of men bashing at me for benefits best known to them.
I have my reasons to explain, if I may.
There is so much here I'm lost as to what really is the problem with the FZ-16 thread. What started by Shivang as a praise for parts supplied by me, to eventually a bashing thread. Its come a long way. I have technically given nothing faulty to him and assured him of assistance for all that he wanted. Then came that part where I was hard to reach for his queries. Happens that he met the MZ guys at pune who offered to kit the bike and then as usual Mr Vikram says this is crap, that is crap. Buy my stuff I'll give you better stuffs. The same Mr Vikram who would call me for my parts, sometime back and ask for suggestions.
Please note, the MZ guys sell the same bigbore kit as we do, from my partner vendor for whom the parts were co-developed by us. The pistons were designed by us and modelled and reproduced. If someone takes claims for this, too bad. We have proof for the drawings and all the work. The pulsar pistons and FZ and bigbore kits and our initial batch of R15 kits are sold by the vendor - https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...type=3&theater
While the claim is that we are selling chinese parts which are off the shelf etc. I dont wish to talk too much about more things in detail on a public forum. I think the so called person has to learn to maintain certain business ethics and not say his stuff is better than mine. For someone to even compare what our cylinder head work looks like and to make improvements and comments. I sure know what we offer. Its sad to provoke others for their selfish benefits. Can MZ share the ignition curve of the FZ CDi that they claim to have developed? Anybody can put stickers or print and claim they made it. Who talks about the real effort behind this?
Coming to the exhaust part that Shivang highlighted here. Yes the older versions were rusty due to their mild steel construction. The problem was resolved by switching to stainless steel versions. Now we have further gone a step ahead by lowering the prices but offering more value with 304 stainless steel - 2 piece full system exhausts. Its just weird about how one then starts comparing with an off-the-shelf import exhaust and then claims that even the performance of my exhaust is crap. Noted, please wait for dyno figures soon of all our exhausts.
The camshaft for the FZ had a certain aggressive lobe ramping which resulted in ticking noise and the non-decomp version solved the problems.
A performance cam cannot give the best of low end power, mid range and high end power. Its always a compromise to the ultra low end feel of the stock cam to get better top end power. The higher duration and lift makes the engine sluggish for low end performance which is the whole truth of a performance cam. The desired rpm range is the only way it can work. if someone claims all ends of power, then its pure bullshit.
Coming to the bigbore. Please note that a high compression engine is finally prone to fatigue over a period of time. probably the crankshaft or whatever is the weak link, gives up. If there package is not set right. What does not break even at 40000kms, finally gives up one fine day. Bad fuel, knocks, excessive carbon deposits etc are reasons. We have the R15 engines in bangalore which have clocked over 60k and no problems with the same rings and block with only regular maintenance. While some fail at 5000kms. Liquid cooled high comp engines will need gasket replacements every 25-30k kms to ensure the water does not enter the chamber to cause a hydro-lock and blow the piston. The pic above is that. A leaky cylinder head gasket.
Even Stock engines fail. You either melt a piston or seize the skirt. Seizure is a factor of excess heat due to metallic expansion. Even the correct oil level or oil grade cannot stop.
I have always advised if anyone can come to us for the installs, we are willing to offer them. Right from shivang, a lot have now said they are happy with the engines done at Motozone, well I cant deny coz coming to a specialist shop (with decent engine fixing and tuning understanding) will ensure you get all the things done the right way. We send the kits and then a local roadside mech is given the job to install and in most cases its a disaster. We cant bring the whole country under a roof to do all the job and we all know it. We have seen cases where piston are installed the wrong way and rings jumbled up. Who is to be blamed? Having said that there are clear instances of things still going wrong like a few cases mentioned elsewhere.
We have upgraded our hardware and are willing to offer upgrades to all those who have concerns. The FZ has a higher dome which was initially meant for racing - 220psi and higher compression, later we noticed the need for lowering the comp to work with the lower grade fuel.
The FZ is recommended to have a modified head to have the right combustion pattern and also a larger head gasket. We have suggested a few to use the stock gasket coz a lot of times the mechs have messed up cutting the head gasket right and ending up with leaky heads. A stock gaskets atleast wont leak, we sure know its not the best way. We have always opened the gaskets for engines built by us and we are now offering the kits only with the cylinder head gasket to comply with the new piston diameter.
A piston breaking is finally a matter of it reaching a point of fatigue. In case of liquid cooled engines its due to leaky head gaskets as mentioned above. Excess compression and at times lean mixture. Its mostly the compression build up.
We are making constant improvements to the kits and with the right install and setup we can have a trouble free setup.
We have tons of FZ-16s and R15s and other bikes with the bigbore kits running absolutely brilliant for years. carb tune issues and minor things that crop and things to attend even on a stock bike. You cant expect even a stock bike to have the same level of performance after clocking 20k kms.
Quoting Kirthi on his GS150 experience, he has clocked over 20k kms and he said he wanted to do more mods. I said its personally not worth spending more money on a commuter engine like this, rather sell off and get a bigger bike to satisfy the power greed. He has slight carb gliches which are part of a long term maintenance.
Why is a reaction for that? I see people getting hyper over no reason.
Somebody here just called me a fraud and claiming our cars are crap. Please feel free to come down, compare our performance standards with international standards set and then lets talk. I dont know why one talk leads to another false claim. Why cant things be just brought to notice the right way.
We have our point proven on the track and the records talk for themselves. It couldnt have been otherwise.
This bashing is a benefit for a few to get better benefits with people they are favouring at the moment. While for most its clean entertaintment.
If anyone here has a serious technical concern can take it up with me and we can end the hide and seek. Like I said we have upgrades replacements and are willing to correct if any have to be addressed.
This thread has become a field to express inner rage, business tactics, sideline our work and then shut it for me.
Due to the repeated delays in delivery deadlines and order delays is why we have taken a new route in scraping all our old ways of working, people and making things come out for the better. No delays in turn around time from the committed deadline without any explanations, otherwise its a clean refund. I personally dont wish the same community which I grew with, bashing around for irrelevant reasons.
I apologise for all the delays in orders and support I could not personally provide. My only request is to stop the unwanted talks which are misleading and not right about me. I will ensure to be more active with replies, mails and tune, and we are in constant improvement of the parts bin we have on offer.
Please tell me what I have to do, to help things technically and not a bashing thread!

Re: The POWERHOUSE Fz18

40 Bhp !! 60 Nm !! Electric !! the most powerfull FZs

FZ Tork Teaser: PowerDrift - YouTube

Re: The POWERHOUSE Fz18

Lots of increased power .. the bike was so mean that it crumpled the Piston

Re: The POWERHOUSE Fz18

Amen.

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Re: The POWERHOUSE Fz18

What is the need to show off man??
RC is nothing but fake fraud garage that claims to have built the fastest Hinda City in the world. Just cant stop laughing, how can a tailor build a car and that too such a beautiful machine which doesn't require any mods m, all it needs is a good driver and some skills.
I dont have a problem taking names here as I have suffered his torture and have the guts to say this on his face that he is nothing but a tailor.
Fooling around with people's hard earned money and time is all he can do, tall claims? Get a life Joel Joseph. Talking about Motozone on Facebook wont make you a super hero, I haven't seen you posting anything here on any if the threads coz he knows what reputation he has and where he stands in this field.
I can also become a tuner by just importing rhings from other countries and selling it to people and claiming this and that. Please stop calling you company a professional hub, its a hub of all cheaters where of you send you beloved bike, they will take out things anf put them in his Racing bikes.
Team Torque: its your wish, u want to get yourself tooned after reading this whole thread then go ahead, whose stopping you?? Please dont spoil this thread by praising that Idiot Tooner who doesn't even know how to open a carburetor.
And if you are one of those RC guys, then please tell Joel Joseph he really needs to shut his Race Contraceptives before people legally case a file against his frauds which is not far away in time.
Take care.


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Re: The POWERHOUSE Fz18

Mate, go through the whole thread, everything has been laid down for us. These last few pages won't give you any idea what this thread is all about.

Re: The POWERHOUSE Fz18

So How much Increase of power did you get on your new meaner Bike.
The bike looks good but i believe in statistics. So it would be very nice of you to post some of the bikes performance stats.

Re: The POWERHOUSE Fz18

Mate there is no official confirmation from Yamaha nor any spy pics. It is just a speculative news like in the days of R15 V2.0 with a 250cc and 28 bhp engine if you know what i am saying?

Let's wait for the manufacturer to officially release the news...


Cheers,

Re: The POWERHOUSE Fz18

Love your FZ / Fazers a lot ??? cant give up on these bikes ?? need more out of these machines ?? ...Ready to Pour in 40ks to Hot rod...!!

WAIT !!!!!!!!!!!!

Read this - Yamaha FZ To Get A Technical Upgrade In 2014 | MotorBeam – Indian Car Bike News & Reviews

If the 2014 version gets a good 2-3 BHP extra at a good price...!!

Sell old buy new again..!!

-Rohan

Re: The POWERHOUSE Fz18

[MENTION=32641]shv18[/MENTION]: good work, bro..you are sharing some real good information here.

Re: Let's learn more about engines Part 1

This is the prime reason why 600cc sportbikes and some(or all?) monster litre bikes tuned for high performance idle at nothing below 3k rpm. F1 cars idle at 6k rpm. Not sure about those 1400cc fours. But this is the case with super high revving race-tuned multi cylinder motors. Knowing these conditions, any bike with a (proper) racing camshaft WILL compromise on the low end with gains at the top end. This effect is mostly related to the camlobe overlap and thus, scavenging effect of the fresh charge on burnt gases at different engine speeds.
ECUs can be remapped to idle appropriately and carburetors need proper jetting (or replacement in some extreme cases i.e huge power tuning) with higher idle adjustment. But carbs may suffer from slow drop of revs or sometimes shut off at low rpms (AFAIK; correct me if im wrong). Again this proves why FI is superior.
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Re: Let's learn more about engines Part 1

Sir,

some of my posts from hereon may get slightly technical. However, to the best of my abilities i will try and keep things uncomplicated so that Noobs don't get lost in the process. It is my sincere effort to make all readers understand why is this thread so critical about the Tooner in question and what are the reasons behind it right from technical aspect to unfolding the cheap marketing in public that is going around only to dupe unsuspecting riders from their hard earned money.

I hope adding such posts will help everyone understand the amount of engineering that goes behind the scenes of designing a motorcycle and its engine. At the same time they now know on which points to catch the Tooner whenever he tries to evade questions and throws his favourite one liner, "Its all about tuning man!". Before believing his usual lies about the engine internals (like crankshaft and con rod) not being upto the mark and only because of that your engine seized, now owners will be able to get hold of him and his antics are limited.

Again, i hope readers will take things positively and try and educate others, especially the Noobs who may fall prey to such marketing gimmicks..

Your support means a lot!! Thank you..


Cheers,

Re: Let's learn more about engines Part 1

Good to see the Thread Opened with Unwanted Posts cleaned out.....

A special Thanks to our Super Moderators for the Thankless Job and Multi Tasking they Continue to do...

@ Shv18... another educative post on Different aspects of Cam shaft .. Your posts are to the point and with great details. This thread is full of information which would educate the un initiated and the informed as well.
Good work ..Keep it up.