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  • Building two turbo Bikes

    Hello Everyone. I Attempted to build two Turbo charged bikes, but it wasnt a great success. I have identified the faults as well. Here's the story.

    I have experience on Turbo charging FI Engines. But this was my first Carb - Turbo Engine project.

    Well basically there are two ways of doing this. Blow through turbo, Draw through turbo. Generally, everyone prefers blow through turbo charging as you can go higher on boost and also have no start up issues, you can add an intercooler, and maintain a steady AFR.. and so on.
    Draw through turbo was used a long time back. I chose to use this method as:
    1. Its simpler to start off with
    2. Engines were not built to handle higher boost (Stock P180 and Stock FZR 400 Engines)
    3. No need of a fuel pump, Pitot tube Fuel Balancing system, Fuel pressure regulation, and no need to add a high pressure line to the fuel cup of th eCarb.


    I almost resolved the issues on the P180 Draw through setup, and the bike eventually did I would say 25% higher on power.
    The FZR however did not work out. The engine refused to rev above 7,000 and did not have good throttle response. The problem has been identified: I needed a bigger carb. But Now I dont have the bikes any more to experiment.

    Here are some pics, I'll return soon with details.

    Hemank
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    • #3
      Re: Building two turbo Bikes

      Looks like there are no Engineers here

      Any ways, not continuing updates due to such low response.
      any one interested can contact me on hd@electronperformance.com

      Hemank

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        Re: Building two turbo Bikes

        Did you participate in valley run with your turbo charged P180? I heard one participated but chain broke mid way. Any ways good going mate. I would have contributed if I knew anything.

        But I find it strange that no one has contributed yet here, especially when we have too many Gurus here who can contribute with pics and vids.

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          Re: Building two turbo Bikes

          Originally posted by hemank View Post
          Looks like there are no Engineers here

          Any ways, not continuing updates due to such low response.
          any one interested can contact me on hd@electronperformance.com

          Hemank
          I'd say you continue posting here. Its auto expo time, hence people are enthusiastic over new launches. Keep updating the thread and soon it'd gain traction.
          I for one, want to know the what and how bits of your work.
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            Re: Building two turbo Bikes

            Wonder why I did not see this thread before.I am a mech engg and very interested in your work.Would love to know more about the outcome of turbocharging of low displacement engines like p180.
            What kind of turbo kits fit on p180?
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              Re: Building two turbo Bikes

              What did you do about the turbo lag? How was the throttle response after the installation of the turbocharger?
              I am back!

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                Re: Building two turbo Bikes

                I dont think that the low responses is due to less interest.might be due to the fact that people like me really knows too less to make a genuine contribution
                But would love to hear about the details like how did u design the turbo,how did u make it work,and did u had to do any mods on the carb of 180 to withstand the higher intake pressure.etc.of course if u don't mind.and please don't mind if the questions are stupid.
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                Last edited by Thamps; 02-08-2014, 10:25 PM.

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                  Re: Building two turbo Bikes

                  I am no engine expert and hence unable to contribute. But I sure am interested in seeing what you have done and what is going on. Please do keep us updated. I have subscribed to this thread now..

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                    Re: Building two turbo Bikes

                    Originally posted by chinmayakar View Post
                    Did you participate in valley run with your turbo charged P180? I heard one participated but chain broke mid way. Any ways good going mate. I would have contributed if I knew anything.

                    But I find it strange that no one has contributed yet here, especially when we have too many Gurus here who can contribute with pics and vids.
                    Yes that was the one. Sorry for the dissapointment. May be next time.


                    Originally posted by Divya Sharan View Post
                    I'd say you continue posting here. Its auto expo time, hence people are enthusiastic over new launches. Keep updating the thread and soon it'd gain traction.
                    I for one, want to know the what and how bits of your work.
                    I've noticed in India Real tech stuff does not sell. Only whats seen is sold. Any ways. Thanks man.

                    Originally posted by albyjose View Post
                    Wonder why I did not see this thread before.I am a mech engg and very interested in your work.Would love to know more about the outcome of turbocharging of low displacement engines like p180.
                    What kind of turbo kits fit on p180?
                    It was amazing once it was fully done. We tuned it in Pune and it was running great. It did not run well at the Valley run due to altitude issues so we put another carb and re tuned it. It was greqat again, but the chain broke If you have a bike, and would like to experiment and stuff, you are welcome to drop your vehicle in Pune at my place ( Electron Performance )


                    Originally posted by Cleaner View Post
                    What did you do about the turbo lag? How was the throttle response after the installation of the turbocharger?
                    Rule of Turbo Charging: If you have no Lag, you have no Turbo! Any ways, We were using a very small turbo. Barly any lag. and it was about 3 psi. was great fun! Wanna turbo your bike? drop in. We are in Pune. (Experimental basis. We are not experts on Carb turbo yet! )FI turbo isnt too much of an issue.

                    Originally posted by Thamps View Post
                    I dont think that the low responses is due to less interest.might be due to the fact that people like me really knows too less to make a genuine contribution
                    But would love to hear about the details like how did u design the turbo,how did u make it work,and did u had to do any mods on the carb of 180 to withstand the higher intake pressure.etc.of course if u don't mind.and please don't mind if the questions are stupid.
                    Sent from my ST21i using xBhp Connect mobile app
                    We barely ran any boost on low revs. And the best part of drawthrough setup is that its not capable of high boosts. Kept the engine stock. I'm sure it will reduce Engine life.



                    Originally posted by rreneav1987 View Post
                    I am no engine expert and hence unable to contribute. But I sure am interested in seeing what you have done and what is going on. Please do keep us updated. I have subscribed to this thread now..

                    Thanks man. Will update up later.

                    Cheers

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                      Re: Building two turbo Bikes

                      Always used to think what will turbo do on a pulsar and sir you have done it.Very good sir.
                      Keep posting about the bikes !

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                        Re: Building two turbo Bikes

                        Originally posted by maninderz View Post
                        Always used to think what will turbo do on a pulsar and sir you have done it.Very good sir.
                        Keep posting about the bikes !

                        Sent from my ST27i using xBhp Connect mobile app
                        Thanks a lot man. Say if there was a turbo kit for a bike like this, how much would you pay for it?

                        Hemank

                        Also: more pics of the fzr attached. During testing. Pls excuse the big battery we had starting trouble

                        Also notice the wiper washer tank being used for oiling the turbo
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                          Re: Building two turbo Bikes

                          Originally posted by hemank View Post
                          Thanks a lot man. Say if there was a turbo kit for a bike like this, how much would you pay for it?
                          Dude , for most of the guys "performance" mods start with
                          K&N filters and Iridium sparkplugs going all the way toBig Bore setups ...
                          All in all costing upwards of 10K...

                          But nothing will ever come close to a proper turbo setup...!!

                          Your thread reminded me of a guy who mated a Verna diesel engine to a motorcycle chassis
                          I saw the clip on YouTube !!!
                          He was doing burnout at idling in First gear
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                            Re: Building two turbo Bikes

                            [MENTION=13481]hemank[/MENTION].. Keep posting content here also. Members will contribute to it.
                            As for me, I have an exam on this sunday, will come and pour whatever I know about turbo-chargers after that

                            Ride safe and have fun.
                            Regards
                            Nadeem

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                              Re: Building two turbo Bikes

                              [MENTION=13481]hemank[/MENTION]
                              Just saw this thread.
                              Has heard about the 180 turbo.
                              Just a few questions.
                              First of all the being a single, n the exhaust pulses being slow, wouldn't it cause cause irregular turbine rpm.
                              Then comes the sizing of the turbo, for such a low pressure how did u find the turbo.
                              Third what was your carb setup?
                              Draw through setup are always a PITA. Had seen one on a turbo m800, had a lot of issues.
                              Also can you give some more details as at what rpm the boost was being produced, n how much.
                              I mean I have a lot more questions to ask, but this is just the beginning.
                              Looking forward for some real action from your side.
                              NY:17
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