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Why do cheap bikes *NOT HAVE* the standard 1 Down 3 Up pattern

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  • #16
    Re: Why do cheap bikes *NOT HAVE* the standard 1 Down 3 Up pattern

    Safety is the key; Google & you get all these to understand...
    Is there a particular reason why gears on a motorcycle are set up as 1 N 2 3 4 5? Why not go N 1 2 3 4 5 : motorcycles
    Why do motor bikes have a 1 down rest up gear shift pattern, and not a sequential pattern? - Quora
    What is the technical reason the engineer decided the motorcycle gear pattern as follows? - Motor Vehicle Maintenance & Repair Stack Exchange
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    • #17
      Re: Why do cheap bikes *NOT HAVE* the standard 1 Down 3 Up pattern


      You are a very senior member, and I respect you for that.
      But it would do your reputation a world of good if you actually read the ​thread title *AND* the opening post.

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      • #18
        Re: Why do cheap bikes *NOT HAVE* the standard 1 Down 3 Up pattern

        Originally posted by HyperRetard View Post
        Why do cheap bikes NOT HAVE the standard 1 Down 3 Up pattern?




        So why do manufacturers keep giving these absurd patterns?
        Best pattern imho is MotoGP 1 up and all the rest down

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        Originally posted by abhimanyu31 View Post
        I don't know if the "all down/ all up" feature can be called cheap, ironically in MotoGP due to advent of all seamless gearboxes, the gear pattern is now all down i.e. N,1,2,3,4,5,6 down.


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        The reason for this for ease of upshifting coming out of right hand bends.
        Last edited by Adilkadri123; 03-09-2015, 09:42 PM.
        Leh Ladakh Aug 2015

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        • #19
          Re: Why do cheap bikes *NOT HAVE* the standard 1 Down 3 Up pattern

          Originally posted by aargee View Post
          Safety is the key; Google & you get all these to understand...
          [? - Motor Vehicle Maintenance & Repair Stack Exchange[/url]
          Thank you aargee for those links. It was quite interesting.

          Originally posted by HyperRetard View Post
          You are a very senior member, and I respect you for that.
          But it would do your reputation a world of good if you actually read the ​thread title *AND* the opening post.
          If I understand the topic of this thread correctly , it was why the cheap entry level motorcycles have N1234 pattern gearboxes and not 1n2345. Correct me if i am wrong.
          The links which aargee has provided if at all seems to be different , actually indirectly gives some info about your topic. Let me try to give some from my point of understand ing, which I think might be one of the reason.

          When motorcycles started in the early 1900s the torque produced by the engines were quite low and the importance of 1st gear which is capable of multiplying it was very high. As engines evolved the torque produced by the engines went up such that the need for 1st gear was reduced and the new 1n2345 gear pattern came into play. In this case the bike can be started from stationary from 2nd case in normal driving conditions and use first gear when you really needed more torque, or during launch. Now, coming to your question. In entry level bikes and cheap bikes, the engine capacity is small and torque produced is also less. In this case need for 1st gear is more, not only to avoid lugging but also to avoid making the bike feel sluggish if at all the person happens to use 2nd gear more. Or even to avoid going to 2nd gear when bike is stationary.

          We can only speculate the actual reason. But, logically according to me this is the closest answer I have come across. We can argue that nowadays the engine are not making such a low torque, but thinking of the junta in rural areas who use these bikes more and load up the bike like an ox, we need the initial torque.

          Again, these are just theories which I can think off.

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          • #20
            Re: Why do cheap bikes *NOT HAVE* the standard 1 Down 3 Up pattern

            Originally posted by emm View Post
            Thank you aargee for those links. It was quite interesting.



            If I understand the topic of this thread correctly , it was why the cheap entry level motorcycles have N1234 pattern gearboxes and not 1n2345. Correct me if i am wrong.
            The links which aargee has provided if at all seems to be different , actually indirectly gives some info about your topic. Let me try to give some from my point of understand ing, which I think might be one of the reason.

            When motorcycles started in the early 1900s the torque produced by the engines were quite low and the importance of 1st gear which is capable of multiplying it was very high. As engines evolved the torque produced by the engines went up such that the need for 1st gear was reduced and the new 1n2345 gear pattern came into play. In this case the bike can be started from stationary from 2nd case in normal driving conditions and use first gear when you really needed more torque, or during launch. Now, coming to your question. In entry level bikes and cheap bikes, the engine capacity is small and torque produced is also less. In this case need for 1st gear is more, not only to avoid lugging but also to avoid making the bike feel sluggish if at all the person happens to use 2nd gear more. Or even to avoid going to 2nd gear when bike is stationary.

            We can only speculate the actual reason. But, logically according to me this is the closest answer I have come across. We can argue that nowadays the engine are not making such a low torque, but thinking of the junta in rural areas who use these bikes more and load up the bike like an ox, we need the initial torque.

            Again, these are just theories which I can think off.

            The links aargee gave were about the importance of 1n2345.
            I know its importance.

            My question was why dont manufacturers realize the importance of having uniformity.

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            • #21
              Re: Why do cheap bikes *NOT HAVE* the standard 1 Down 3 Up pattern

              Guys now I can't remember how my bike shifts its a duke 390. BTW anyone with a engineering or manufacturing background could shed some light if having all down or up gears helps with production cost?

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              • #22
                Re: Why do cheap bikes *NOT HAVE* the standard 1 Down 3 Up pattern

                Originally posted by krishan.adhikari View Post
                Guys now I can't remember how my bike shifts its a duke 390. BTW anyone with a engineering or manufacturing background could shed some light if having all down or up gears helps with production cost?
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                • #23
                  Re: Why do cheap bikes *NOT HAVE* the standard 1 Down 3 Up pattern

                  Originally posted by krishan.adhikari View Post
                  Guys now I can't remember how my bike shifts its a duke 390.
                  What do you mean by this dude. ?
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                  • #24
                    Re: Why do cheap bikes *NOT HAVE* the standard 1 Down 3 Up pattern

                    Bumping up my old thread, again. Just because I still dont have the answer I seek.

                    Say a guy buys the Platina, which has 4 down pattern. Then he decides to upgrade to the Pulsar. Now he has to memorize a new pattern.
                    And what if he decides to keep both the bikes (odd-even formula)?
                    So does that mean he should remember 2 patterns?
                    For alternate days of the week?

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