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  • #16
    Re: Matador for the Bike: Options and Alternatives

    Originally posted by rugved View Post
    What is the budget you have carved out for a van?

    The way i see is you can get a good condition modern generation, pre-owned van with good enough engine capacity and cabin space (private registration preferred)

    Make space and provision for TWO bikes to be carried (future new bike or you may find a riding buddy!).
    Make room for certain tools and essential equipment as well as wardrobe.
    Make a small collapsible table top at exterior sides that can serve as a work bench or a Dining area with shade when you need one.
    (This i saw on TV) You can put a concealed inverted 20lts bottle on one of the sides that can serve as a portable shower/handwash.
    And on the top they had a railing where you can put up chairs and just enjoy the scenic view, or go fishing if you find a suitable spot!

    A van is an awesome project to be turned into a camper/surival van!
    That project sounds great. Unfortunately super over budget right now with the Ducati coming in. But the long term goal over the next few years is to have a Swaraj Mazda developed into something of the likes described by you
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    • #17
      Re: Van for Motorcycle Transport

      Originally posted by Naveen Vajja View Post
      Rather than a whole van ... you can get a hitch and a trailer. Its needs some practice to drive a trailer ... but until then you can drive in a straight line. Trailers can be be a hard shell composite or soft shell as per your need. Trailer and contents can be insured separately and will not require a commercial license or permit. Just an addendum to your current licence. You can keep using your current car if it has enough torque ... though FWD cars are a little tricky with a trailer. SUVs are better ... especially with 4WD or AWD.

      And congratulations on the Ducati and living your dream....

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      Rather than a whole van ... you can get a hitch and a trailer. Its needs some practice to drive a trailer ... but until then you can drive in a straight line. Trailers can be be a hard shell composite or soft shell as per your need. Trailer and contents can be insured separately and will not require a commercial license or permit. Just an addendum to your current licence. You can keep using your current car if it has enough torque ... though FWD cars are a little tricky with a trailer. SUVs are better ... especially with 4WD or AWD.

      And congratulations on the Ducati and living your dream....
      I think as Monk mentioned above, driving around from Bangalore to Chennai or Coimbatore with a Ducati on an open top trailer will be very risky. Smal distances makes sense.

      Thanks for the wishes
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      • #18
        Re: Matador for the Bike: Options and Alternatives

        Originally posted by Adoksh View Post
        Priorities are intrinsic to individuals. Your priorities are your own and mine are for my self. Priorities can never be right or wrong. They can be mine or yours

        And I don't understand the basis for your logic. I've asked for a motorcycle van to help me transport my motorcycle from the city to the track. You could suggest options that would keep me safe and could inform me of vehicles that I should avoid. I've noted your suggestion on avoiding the Omni. If there is a better alternative to my matador option please do suggest it.


        Having said that, I don't think this is such a ludicrous idea by any stretch of imagination. Motorcycle vans are an integral part of the biker culture across the world and trying to build it in this country is an amazing opportunity. Not just for track days, but you could up the van with you Supersports and take it to the valleys and the hills for canyon rides and corner craving. You can load it up and take it to roads such as the Jaisalmer highway where otherwise riding to from Bangalore would be near impossible on a Panigale. It provides a multitude of options and endless possibilities. Please be open to it
        I guess my post was inferred in a way that was not intended.
        I never said that your idea of a van was illogical or wrong, in fact I asked if you would ride to many track events to justify the investment.

        My point on priorities was that "any" bike is not as important as the person riding it. You may love it a lot, but if you are healthy and in sound shape, you'll be around to ride it longer. I had an issue with you giving more importance to the bike than yourself.

        That is why I asked if you have a family (read; married). Please don't take it the wrong way, as I never intended to question your decision/maturity/skill etc in the 1st place.
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        • #19
          Re: Van for Motorcycle Transport

          Originally posted by Adoksh View Post
          I think as Monk mentioned above, driving around from Bangalore to Chennai or Coimbatore with a Ducati on an open top trailer will be very risky. Smal distances makes sense.

          Thanks for the wishes
          The trailers can be hardtop or composite or soft-top as I mentioned. Trailers have a lower height and hence loading is very easy. And also the insurance is different and will not need a commercial license.

          An example for you being the one below. Though you might not get in India ... you could easily have it fabricated.

          Motorcycle Trailer Enclosed Light Weight Aerodynamic in Great Shape | eBay
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          • #20
            Re: Matador for the Bike: Options and Alternatives

            You can try out old Tempo Traveler 4 Wheel one, I think 12 Seater, You can modify it to load your bike. along with tools and other stuffs.
            Since you personally wont have many track days and driving a tempo traveler with white board will attract lot of attention from police so you can register it as a commercial vehicle and rent it to all SBK owners who wish to take their bike to track.
            This way your purpose and justification for your investment also will be solved.
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            • #21
              Re: Matador for the Bike: Options and Alternatives

              Winger would be nicer choice consider it's low ground clearance (thanks to its FWD layout) and ease of loading the bike and more car like driveability. Passenger version can be availed with white plate. There is a high-roof version also.
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              • #22
                Re: Matador for the Bike: Options and Alternatives

                Interesting query. I believe the Tata Winger would be the best fit as it comes with private registration too (There is one in my locality). It has a hard top shell and feels relatively safer.

                The vehicles used by banks are modified pickups. And I don't think they come with private registrations. Moreover I would not suggest pickups due to their utilitarian nature.

                And like everyone else, I too am waiting for you to pick up that Ducati!
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                • #23
                  Re: Matador for the Bike: Options and Alternatives

                  Originally posted by Divya Sharan View Post
                  I guess my post was inferred in a way that was not intended.
                  I never said that your idea of a van was illogical or wrong, in fact I asked if you would ride to many track events to justify the investment.

                  My point on priorities was that "any" bike is not as important as the person riding it. You may love it a lot, but if you are healthy and in sound shape, you'll be around to ride it longer. I had an issue with you giving more importance to the bike than yourself.

                  That is why I asked if you have a family (read; married). Please don't take it the wrong way, as I never intended to question your decision/maturity/skill etc in the 1st place.
                  I apologies for having misread your intent. I understand what you're saying and liken I mentioned I highly doubt I'd be able to justify the investments in relation to track days. But the van allows me to do a lot more. Travel intercity with the bike to far off places which otherwise I wouldn't be able to ride to completely with the bike
                  Every Motorcycle has a tale to be told and there is no greater privilage in the life of a rider than to have truly understood what his Motorcycle stands to tell. Some of the greatest stories in the world are not written, they are experienced.

                  One of the many reasons they say, "Four Wheels Move the Body, Two Wheels Move the Soul"

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                  • #24
                    Re: Van for Motorcycle Transport

                    Originally posted by Naveen Vajja View Post
                    The trailers can be hardtop or composite or soft-top as I mentioned. Trailers have a lower height and hence loading is very easy. And also the insurance is different and will not need a commercial license.

                    An example for you being the one below. Though you might not get in India ... you could easily have it fabricated.

                    Motorcycle Trailer Enclosed Light Weight Aerodynamic in Great Shape | eBay
                    I'll have a look at this. Could be an interesting idea. But even then driving these long distance might become a problem right?
                    Every Motorcycle has a tale to be told and there is no greater privilage in the life of a rider than to have truly understood what his Motorcycle stands to tell. Some of the greatest stories in the world are not written, they are experienced.

                    One of the many reasons they say, "Four Wheels Move the Body, Two Wheels Move the Soul"

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                    • #25
                      Re: Matador for the Bike: Options and Alternatives

                      Originally posted by vivek.n View Post
                      You can try out old Tempo Traveler 4 Wheel one, I think 12 Seater, You can modify it to load your bike. along with tools and other stuffs.
                      Since you personally wont have many track days and driving a tempo traveler with white board will attract lot of attention from police so you can register it as a commercial vehicle and rent it to all SBK owners who wish to take their bike to track.
                      This way your purpose and justification for your investment also will be solved.
                      Tempo travellers would be a great choice even I feel. Can make a whole lifestyle van out of it [emoji51] I'm going to go and figure this whole white board yellow board concept with the RTO to see if I can own these vehicles for personal use under white board.


                      Originally posted by deville_56 View Post
                      Winger would be nicer choice consider it's low ground clearance (thanks to its FWD layout) and ease of loading the bike and more car like driveability. Passenger version can be availed with white plate. There is a high-roof version also.
                      Post the matador the winger is my next best choice. Chevrolet Enjoy or that Nissan option as well. But not sure if they'll be big enough for the Ducati to fit in, length wise.


                      Originally posted by Deathmate.Zed View Post
                      Interesting query. I believe the Tata Winger would be the best fit as it comes with private registration too (There is one in my locality). It has a hard top shell and feels relatively safer.

                      The vehicles used by banks are modified pickups. And I don't think they come with private registrations. Moreover I would not suggest pickups due to their utilitarian nature.

                      And like everyone else, I too am waiting for you to pick up that Ducati!
                      Yup. Will go to the Tata showroom and check out the Tata Winger Cargo edition. If it Looks good for the motorcycle I'll start looking for a second hand model somewhere.

                      And thanks Zed! Hopefully they'll start deliveries in July instead of August!
                      Every Motorcycle has a tale to be told and there is no greater privilage in the life of a rider than to have truly understood what his Motorcycle stands to tell. Some of the greatest stories in the world are not written, they are experienced.

                      One of the many reasons they say, "Four Wheels Move the Body, Two Wheels Move the Soul"

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                      • #26
                        Re: Van for Motorcycle Transport

                        Originally posted by Adoksh View Post
                        I'll have a look at this. Could be an interesting idea. But even then driving these long distance might become a problem right?
                        We drove Adam's Vulcan from Charlotte, NC to St. Louis, MO ... roughly around 800 mi in something like this. The composite shell is exact fit for the bike and the side-panniers acted as tool boxes. The low height made it easy to load and unload the bike.

                        Consider that a winger will be at a height of 3 feet that you have to get your bike up to. Then also there is so much room for the bike to move around and strapping it down is a pain.
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                        • #27
                          Re: Van for Motorcycle Transport

                          Originally posted by Naveen Vajja View Post
                          We drove Adam's Vulcan from Charlotte, NC to St. Louis, MO ... roughly around 800 mi in something like this. The composite shell is exact fit for the bike and the side-panniers acted as tool boxes. The low height made it easy to load and unload the bike.

                          Consider that a winger will be at a height of 3 feet that you have to get your bike up to. Then also there is so much room for the bike to move around and strapping it down is a pain.
                          Thanks!! Will definitely have a look at these options on EBay and see if anything can be made here or if I can import one for cheap!
                          Every Motorcycle has a tale to be told and there is no greater privilage in the life of a rider than to have truly understood what his Motorcycle stands to tell. Some of the greatest stories in the world are not written, they are experienced.

                          One of the many reasons they say, "Four Wheels Move the Body, Two Wheels Move the Soul"

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                          • #28
                            Re: Van for Motorcycle Transport

                            Originally posted by Naveen Vajja View Post
                            We drove Adam's Vulcan from Charlotte, NC to St. Louis, MO ... roughly around 800 mi in something like this. The composite shell is exact fit for the bike and the side-panniers acted as tool boxes. The low height made it easy to load and unload the bike.

                            Consider that a winger will be at a height of 3 feet that you have to get your bike up to. Then also there is so much room for the bike to move around and strapping it down is a pain.

                            I doubt it would be three feet high but a ramp which slides under the floor can be used. The seat brackets can be used to tie down the bike.


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                            • #29
                              Re: Matador for the Bike: Options and Alternatives

                              High-roof Deluxe version. This can make things more easier.

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                              Enjoy and Evalia can be real tight. Seen people transporting SBK in MUVs (Innova and all), sometimes requires removal of rear-view mirror.

                              It's hard to get white plate on commercial variant (Winger Cargo). GRz's Tempo (Force) Traveller twins got yellow boards. For yellow board, you need LCV licence/badge. Then comes the shit paint job, have to paint front and rear yellow , ruins the looks of wrap job, if any.
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                              • #30
                                Re: Matador for the Bike: Options and Alternatives

                                Originally posted by Itzli View Post
                                I doubt it would be three feet high but a ramp which slides under the floor can be used. The seat brackets can be used to tie down the bike.


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                                Originally posted by deville_56 View Post
                                High-roof Deluxe version. This can make things more easier.

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                                Enjoy and Evalia can be real tight. Seen people transporting SBK in MUVs (Innova and all), sometimes requires removal of rear-view mirror.

                                It's hard to get white plate on commercial variant (Winger Cargo). GRz's Tempo (Force) Traveller twins got yellow boards. For yellow board, you need LCV licence/badge. Then comes the shit paint job, have to paint front and rear yellow , ruins the looks of wrap job, if any.
                                Yup. Winger is looking like a good option. If I don't get a good matador or if it looks like I'll be spending a lot on the matador I'll just pick up the Winger from a used car store and remove the back seats.
                                Every Motorcycle has a tale to be told and there is no greater privilage in the life of a rider than to have truly understood what his Motorcycle stands to tell. Some of the greatest stories in the world are not written, they are experienced.

                                One of the many reasons they say, "Four Wheels Move the Body, Two Wheels Move the Soul"

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