i am telling a 35 bhp bike at the price of nano and not full blown 600cc sports bike. do you make out any difference??

dont you think the numbers will be high for a 30 - 35 bhp bike. even if its not a sports bike but something like a comet

Saj, cool down man... you arnt heading a battalion!!!
Certainly it is possible man.
But do you really think Indian aam janta is ready for these powerful bikes?
Havnt you seen enough poser with a ZMA/P220, doing heywire riding?
thats a total misuse of POWER... resulting in accidents n mayhem!
Well to say the least NANO is an awesum product, but there are much more disadvantages from it, except for it being cheaply available to our aam janta... I was always against that NANO idea n for the very same reasons i wont support it in the Biking fraternity...

I SAID for example...
I just gave an example fer a 600CC, it can be anything from 200-1800CC dude... it was just an example... Dnt be so aggresive.

dude i am chilled!!! its just a matter of some questions that are running in my head! but atleast you understood i am talkin about a 35 bhp machine and not a r6 for a lac!!! and coming to aam janta what you think our 100cc bikes are priced correctly? arent they really old tech stuffs at high price?

Ofcrse they are n that too for a reason...
Well to tell you a-not-so-secret stuff, Bikes in India are among the most priced as compared to our western & North-Eastern counterparts... In middle-east only bikes are damn cheap, just coz of the weather condition there & no one rides a bike, even when they are damn cheap. The only another Big country apart from India which actually uses lower cost bikes or say uses the bikes for commuting purposes is Brazil... n bikes in both the countries are highly priced. So think, the bike manfacturers got only two countries to make proper profits from that commuting segment...

ok brah, let us assume it happens!

but one thing for sure we certainly wont hear in news that MOCHI [boot repairer] spent his life time saving on comet250 ..

cmon man think logical..

tata is more likely to earn from this catagory of people which are MUCH greater in no!..

tata trying to reach this untouched segment of india!

just for idea man. how much will a comet would have costed if it were made by say tvs completely in india?

They would have easily costed it a 1-1.1 lac... see Apache Menace 180 is I guess supposed to be around 75-85k...
Comet is a V-twin 250CC with evrything such as up-side dwn fork n all, while Apache will be a mere 180CC with just a higher bhp to it, compared to other 180s n so.

this is what i want to know man! if it is feasable then why is it not done man. i would prefer a indian 250 twin comet like bike over a race focussed r15 at the same same price band. it is almost like indian bike manufacturers are milking the poor indians and making sheer profit by giving upgrades like led tail lamps, digital meters etc, rather than providing good quality bikes. i dont get it man.

A very relevant issue raised...Kudos!
well, I think if a Car can come at around 1.50 lac, then a decent motorcycle should not cost more then 60 thousand. Tata and this topic really set me thinking.....arent we being charged too much for Our Wonderful 14-17-20 Bhp bikes.
If only...some manufacturer comes out with something innovative.....


P.S: I think I should try to get in Touch with Mr. Ratan Tata and talk to him about this!!!

Well the issue is really interesting. But, I don't think it is that easy. Tata is giving out 1.3 Lakh car keeping in mind the units it will sell per year. The profit margin is going to very very less per car but given the sales projects Tata is set to get good ROI. Now, surely some company can push and give you a 30+ bhp bike for 1 lakh but it will not give a good ROI. Remember Nano is cheap because it is supposed to sell a lot. If it doesn't Tata is at loss.

Exactly dude, Kindly give Mr. Tata one more ROYAL DREAM to work upon!! I promise I will pray upon Mr. Tata's Wall Photo everyday, if it happens ...

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Guys, We are discussing a rightful issue, but what is the benefit? I mean, are there any manufacturers listening to us? Who are we talking to? Ourselves?

Can't manufacturers' representatives reply here, via any false IDs or whatever?

I do hope this topic creates an effect, although the chances of this are very thin ...

First reading the topic I was thinkin buying a 150cc bike at 30,000 . But it is totally different . And after reading I became quite confused .....

Less profit for the companies with bigger volume of bikes --- Then how come Pulsar reached the top of charts overnight? Wasn't it costlier than 100cc bikes at that time? Wasn't it consuming more fuel? Even Royal Enfield is not making any profit? Even the Big Daddy(es)(1000cc) are not having any market here in India?

Not matured market ----- But suddenly four wheeler become very matured. They have every brand and every model within 2-3 years(maybe roads improved for four wheeler). Motor-cyclist don't follow rules(oh! on my Ninja I am breaking every rule in busy traffic n hitting everyone. Wow...).

Taking Risk ---- Honda came out with CBZ n Bajaj followed. Then zma n Bajaj followed. That time it worked n now they are afraid? But what abt others ? Now y are not they taking chances? How can cost become so high whereas Four-Wheeler cos. are manufacturing n exporing(few models)? We cant pay or buy(but people are buying R15, 220, ZMA)?

Only God knows what our Two-Wheeler cos. are thinking???????
Please take bold step n give us something good.....

NANO made me think!!!

Dear Leon, I understand that Tata is thinking of gaining some money only after selling a lot of cars...... but is it to say that every time a 100-125-150 cc is launched for some 40,000.00-60,000.00 the manufacturer thinks of selling only a few dozen and then pack the bag off for Japan????
Guess HH sold off quite a lot of two wheelers......a figure that Tata can never hit even if the cost of Nano stays at One Lac. So how come every HH CD Dawn/ Splendor is still costing some good 35,000.00? haven't they sold off enough to start talking about Volumes? Leon, I understand that we all are pretty good at criticizing the manufacturers, but Honestly we all know....they are just a Money making Organization and not some NGO for The DEPRIVED Bikers of India.

If the Costing of a Car,( no matter how lame or inefficient it may be) can be close to 1.25 lac, then I am sure a Decent 400 cc Bike that has less amount of METAL/PLASTIC/RUBBER should not cost something closer to 2.5 lac.

also a very simple calculation......though it may again sound very illogical and lame....
Maruti 800 weighs close to 1000 kgs and was priced at approximately 2.5 lac....so as to say we had the car that was priced at around Rs. 250 per Kg, including all the Mass of Metal/rubber/plastic plus the R&D, Crash Tests and advertisement.
and a Decent 150 cc Bike these days costs around 60,000.00 so as to say...the price is approximately Rs. 444.00 per Kg.

am I looking at a bike that has more R& D/ Crash Tests involved on the way of Production.